It's Nintendo's problem, as well, in that it's a barrier to me paying them hundreds of dollars.
Does anyone feel less interested in gaming when Nintendo goes under-powered?
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It's Nintendo's problem, as well, in that it's a barrier to me paying them hundreds of dollars.
The games have been top-notch for all of the generations Nitendo has been in, even if the latest generation of consoles haven't been cutting edge technology. Hardware doesn't really matter if the games are good otherwise. It's pretty telling that there's dozens and dozens of NES and SNES games that are still great to this day despite shitty hardware.
Bravo! This is so true
Not really. I didnt expect nintendo to go with a powerful system to begin with, and i have PS4 for my core gaming needs. For Switch, i'd be happy with a nintendo exclusives only system and its still going to be far more powerful than wii u.
I am comfortable with what has been revealed
I am comfortable with what has been revealed
Not really, I'm fine with their hardware being average as long as the games still run well. The quality of their games is enough for me to be fine with average hardware. I certainly wouldn't complain if they went crazy with their hardware though.
This statement is a bit confusing to me though. They've always developed games for the hardcore and casual audience, even now.
This statement is a bit confusing to me though. They've always developed games for the hardcore and casual audience, even now.
this waste of talent non sense again. sounds like we are in a "fucking donkey kong from retro" thread
Yes, but with each new hardware generation, Nintendo swears up and down that they're going to do everything differently this time, so one might be forgiven for keeping an open mind about whether they're actually ever going to change like they keep promising they will.
Wyndstryker
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Nintendo games are good regardless of the power. Would it be nice to have a bit more, sure, but does it matter? Nope.
I play indie games which can easily run on a computer made in 2000, yet play on my PC which is powerful enough to run the latest games. If you're always looking at the graphics first then you're always going to be missing out on great gaming. Why do people always want Nintendo games on powerful hardware and use the hardware to the max? You got games like Stardew Valley which is a very simple game technically, doesn't push any machine to the max and is a far better game than many things out there.
Just enjoy the games, focus on the games, and if you need to buy the hardware to play it then do so. If you can't buy the hardware well, deal with it since the only other option is complaining. If a developer chooses not to use the latest tech then that's their choice. Who are we to say otherwise?
I play indie games which can easily run on a computer made in 2000, yet play on my PC which is powerful enough to run the latest games. If you're always looking at the graphics first then you're always going to be missing out on great gaming. Why do people always want Nintendo games on powerful hardware and use the hardware to the max? You got games like Stardew Valley which is a very simple game technically, doesn't push any machine to the max and is a far better game than many things out there.
Just enjoy the games, focus on the games, and if you need to buy the hardware to play it then do so. If you can't buy the hardware well, deal with it since the only other option is complaining. If a developer chooses not to use the latest tech then that's their choice. Who are we to say otherwise?
Not at all. I don't really care about cutting edge technology.
The closest thing to this is that I care less about gaming when traditional Japanese mid-tiers releasing retail games are less common, and I honestly feel like the Wii U being as much of a flop as it was played a part in that. The Wii was basically the last bastion of mid-tier developers and the Wii U could have been the continuation of that if Nintendo was able to sustain their wide-spread appeal.
The closest thing to this is that I care less about gaming when traditional Japanese mid-tiers releasing retail games are less common, and I honestly feel like the Wii U being as much of a flop as it was played a part in that. The Wii was basically the last bastion of mid-tier developers and the Wii U could have been the continuation of that if Nintendo was able to sustain their wide-spread appeal.
Shit's been going on forever. Sega very effectively tapped into that insecurity to market the Genesis. (To which Nintendo responded with their awful "Play It Loud!" campaign. They didn't try that again.)
They arguably neglected core gamers with the Wii and pre-mobile-style games like Wii Music. I completely disagree in regards to post-"touch/waggle" fad DS and Wii, and in regards to the 3DS and Wii U. The games they're making now and have been for years are very similar in tone to their best games from the NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube.
I think you're just upset that they're not making God of War or Uncharted. They are missing a Metroid Prime refresh, but that has to do with sales and opportunity costs than with any flimsy claims that Nintendo is only making kids games.
Video game AI has been stagnant for years. That argument no longer holds water.
SNES had a weak processor and was generally unimpressive for 1991. PC Engine came out in 1987 and isn't the right comparison to make given the significant years-gap in tech... Genesis on the other hands is two years older than SNES and in some ways compares better. SMS came out not long after the NES and trounces it graphics-wise. N64 also has its shortcomings despite coming out well after the Saturn and PS1. Xbox came out at the same as the GC and easily bests it in all areas.
In all cases, Nintendo arrived late on the scene and its hardware wasn't as advanced as it could have been. I'm not complaining as I like all of these systems, but it's true. Nintendo has never been cutting edge. That includes its handhelds.
Don't forget that Hiroshi Yamauchi ordered his engineers to cheap out on parts for the Famicom so they could save a few bucks. IIRC, early internal prototypes had double the RAM and supported 64 colours. Imagine an alternate history with that...
I feel like this renewed rhetoric on "casual vs hardcore" is missing the point. The important factor here is people who already buy games regularly and people who might buy games regularly. The market that is and the potential market. If a product pitch doesn't sound strong compared to what's already out there, the options amount to dramatically undercutting price or marketing hard. Neither of those is a guarantee.
I think the pitch for legitimately under-powered platforms in general is hard because things like value-priced tablets fill the niche that a cheap console used to. The question remains to be seen if the Switch is actually under-powered. I think we may end up pleasantly surprised, assuming people are being realistic about a mobile device under its own battery power.
I think the pitch for legitimately under-powered platforms in general is hard because things like value-priced tablets fill the niche that a cheap console used to. The question remains to be seen if the Switch is actually under-powered. I think we may end up pleasantly surprised, assuming people are being realistic about a mobile device under its own battery power.
ZombiePlatypus
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Nope.
For me at least, Nintendo has shown a game's art direction, aesthetic, and polish matter infinitely more than raw horsepower.
For me at least, Nintendo has shown a game's art direction, aesthetic, and polish matter infinitely more than raw horsepower.
Hardcore gamer =/= wanting everything to be cutting edge. In fact I'd say casual gamers are the ones who are more ooh'd and aah'd by average technology advancements, which is why Sony and Microsoft rule the console space now.
Spyder_Monkey
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In Japan, they're just calling it a gaming console.
The "casual vs hardcore" phrasing in this thread is just a thin cover for "kiddie vs grown up... like me, I'm a big boy who likes big boy games".
chillybright
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lmao is this a troll post?
Suburban Thug
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You think casual gamers are the reason why Microsoft and Sony are successful in the console space?
Casual gamers aren't dropping $300-$400 on a video game machine. They go mobile, handheld, or Nintendo if the gimmick is cool (Ex. Wii). I think you're a little off base here.
It's funny because a lot of "mature" games are surprisingly immature in the way they handle their subject matter (violence, sex, awful writing). I'll always take a story-sparse game like Mario 3D World and Splatoon over a mature game with a script that wouldn't even be fitting for a January-February movie release (dead of winter is when all the worst crap comes out).
GiantEnemyGoomba
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No, they still are among the best gameplay designers in the business and have some of the best artists in the business. If I get stuff like 3D World, MK8, and Pikmin 3 among other games I couldn't care less about how technically complex their games' graphics are, especially when they're still beautiful and usually run at a smooth framerate.
"But Halo is an epic saga!"
No I don't need the latest graphical hardware. But the thing is, Switch, PS4, Xbox One are all weak. But Nintendo exclusives are what I'm interested in the most and it being handheld too differentiates itself from the other consoles. And this is bigger factor for me than having slightly better graphics. And since PC already offers me bells and whistles, I want something affordable on the side. Also the best hardware isn't the only reason I have a gaming PC. Ofcourse I would love if Nintendo developed and published games on PC too! But I don't except this to happen, just like I don't except getting to play Last Guardian with acceptable frame rates on my PC.
If you think that Switch is too weak, why are you settling for other consoles? Is "just enough power" the manufacturer that you happen to be fan of?
For a forum that goes wild over anime and superhero flicks, the disdain towards family friendly games seems hilarious to me.
Nope! I gave up the graphics monster in me long time ago. I just play games and enjoy the hobby along with it. If a game I like happens to have great graphics, then that's cool I guess. I'm a person who has no problems picking up an old game and just playing it without judging it. At the moment I'm playing Zelda: The Oracle of Seasons, and I don't even realize it's a GBC game after awhile. After awhile I'm just playing a game.
The deal breaker/s for me is when games are 100% digital (I could deal), and when games become so samey that it doesn't matter what game you play other than the story. If it get's to that point, I'll lose interest and probably stop gaming all together.
The deal breaker/s for me is when games are 100% digital (I could deal), and when games become so samey that it doesn't matter what game you play other than the story. If it get's to that point, I'll lose interest and probably stop gaming all together.
PopcornMegaphone
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Not really, I'm glad they are merging their studios to work on one system. I skipped the wiiu however I think switch has potential. I doubt I'm a day one adopter but I'm open minded.
Conciliator
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Nope. We've been hand wringing about power in Nintendo systems for as long as I've known about NeoGAF. For the Wii, the Wii U and now the Switch, I argued that the systems won't be very powerful and it won't matter, and every time I caught heat for being anti-Nintendo and wanting them to fail, which is not remotely true. You can argue of course that maybe the Wii U would have been more successful with more power, I don't know, but it ended up being a good system with good exclusives imo, and of course the Wii killed it in it's generation. And the Switch is going to be not that powerful, and likely have great Nintendo games and some interesting third party games to get excited about, and in the end the fact that it's not super powerful won't matter because that's not the kind of games Nintendo focuses on. And then we'll probably do this again in 2021 or something.
Glass Shark
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Nope, I'm just interested in a single platform for playing all of Nintendo's games. That's what they're delivering with the Switch. I don't care if it's not a graphical powerhouse.
Lucent
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Pretty much this. And they tend to make really good looking games anyway since most of their games are cartoony anyway. Their art works for the power they have. I thought all their first party games looked amazing on Wii U.
Starsunder
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Because it's not about what I *want*, it's about what I *get*.
In this case, this is what Nintendo is providing (the switch). If I want to play their latest games (and I do), then I'm going to buy it.
Would I like them to have more powerful hardware? Fuck yeah I would. Will it stop me from buying their systems and playing their games? Fuck no it won't.
And besides, I have a pretty fucking strong gaming PC when I truly want badass performance and graphics
Z..
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It's easy to understand that people would think like that, but it is also depressing that this industry is catering to such lowest common denominator ideals. God bless Nintendo.
Vampirolol
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No because I'm here for the games.
Avenger54321
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Nope... The reason why is because Nintendo games are fun, and look beautiful no matter how underpowered their console is.
So glad I'm not a graphics whore. I literally don't get the mindset. PS4 level graphics are good enough for me (for the most part PS3 level was also good enough) they could literally never improve and I'd be fine. Art design is where it's at for me (something Nintendo is really good at)
Chie Satonaka
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It's frustrating, but no, it doesn't make me less interested.
I'll buy a Switch no matter what because it's likely to have the biggest selection of games I want to play on it.
But yeah, even though I'm not die hard graphics focused, I'd still have liked the Switch to be a bit beefier (provided these rumors are true). It is what it is.
I'll buy a Switch no matter what because it's likely to have the biggest selection of games I want to play on it.
But yeah, even though I'm not die hard graphics focused, I'd still have liked the Switch to be a bit beefier (provided these rumors are true). It is what it is.
Flame Lord
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Less interested in the Nintendo side of things, but not as a whole.
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Of course. That's their whole problem. They're trying to cater to the Japanese market that doesn't give a shit about consoles anymore and the west that increasingly doesn't care about portables.
They'd have been better off to just do separate portable and consoles that shared a library. I don't think there's enough of a niche that really does both portable and console gaming to really care about the "switch" feature, and especially not to be happy with the tradeoffs to both. Under powered console, oversized portable. Those that like both could buy both and play games both ways, while the majority that are console only or portable only aren't grumbling or skipping it all together due to the tradeoffs.
I've owned every Nintendo console sans Virtual Boy, and have like 25 Amiibo on some shelves in my game room, but the Switch is becoming more of a tough sale for me. I was underwhelmed by the Wii U, don't give a shit about portability as I have game room I share with no one and don't game outside the house or in other room, and have been very underwhelmed by BOTW and the little other Switch footage so far.
I'll probably be there IF it's cheap--under $200, maybe $250 tops. But I"m someone that grew up a Nintendo fanboy, and I worry that many other Western, game on the TV only types will just say fuck it like they did to the Wii U as they don't see it as an upgrade over the Wii U they didn't care about, it still doesn't have third party exclusives that appeal to the west due to the low power etc.
Time will tell I guess. I'm leaning away from buying at launch and waiting an seeing how sales go for a bit before taking the plunge. Will be easy if Zelda does miss launch since I don't really care that much about Mario anymore--I play them but they aren't day one must plays.
Robottiimu2000
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The problem for me with this is that Nintendo games are just really good.. and when a game is really good you don't care what's under the hood.. you just enjoy..
Effigenius
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You will. In 5-10 years.
NipplesAndToes23
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Yep.
John Kowalski
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Listen you cannot call yourself hardcore until you can fly the ship in Noctis like the palm of your hand
Not at all.
Regardless of the power of the systems, Nintendo has always found a way to wow and thrill me with amazing games.
On the other hand I have a ps4 which has largely sat around since I've got it. (not that its a crazy powerhouse, if you want power, go with PC obviously)
I don't really give a fuck about power, I care about what people do with it, and Nintendo has proven they can get the most out of whatever platform and put out some insanely good games.
Regardless of the power of the systems, Nintendo has always found a way to wow and thrill me with amazing games.
On the other hand I have a ps4 which has largely sat around since I've got it. (not that its a crazy powerhouse, if you want power, go with PC obviously)
I don't really give a fuck about power, I care about what people do with it, and Nintendo has proven they can get the most out of whatever platform and put out some insanely good games.
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