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[Patrick S.]

Right now my PC has the following specs:

i7 6700k @ 4.2 GHz
16 GB DDR4 at 2133 MHz
GTX 1080
SSD + a few HDDs

So what I'm asking myself is, what will my experience in the next gen be if I don't upgrade at least my GPU for the next year or so? Based on what we know about the next gen consoles, how do you think how PC games will scale down to run on non-RTX GPUs? The 1080 is no slouch, but it doesn't have ray tracing off course.

Right now I don't have a lot of spare money to spend, and my potential upgrade option would be to sell my GTX 1080 for around EUR 300, and throw in another EUR 250 on top of that and buy a (maybe used) RTX 2070 Super. Would this make sense, or would a next gen console perform better than that configuration? Do I even need a super, or would a regular 2070 be sufficient for PS5/XSX-like performance? I game at 1080p. I do have a 4k TV that I would hook a console up to, but resolution is not that important for me. PC or console is also not super important for me, I'm fine with both.

At first sight, it probably makes more sense to upgrade my PC, but I'd be super frustrated if the next GPU gen comes out, and suddenly a 2070 or 2070 Super is shit because devs won't optimise PC versions well and it turns out I'll need to update once again to keep up with improving console optimization :/ Is the ray-tracing stuff in games that have it an ON/OFF switch, or does that usually have different quality sliders, so that one can lower that it for weaker GPUs?

The nice thing with a console would be that I spend (more) money once, and won't need to worry about upgrading for at least a couple of years until the console makers launch more powerful SKUs. But then there's the possibiliy that the new SKUs will basically make the base consoles obsolete, as has happened with Xbox One and the One X. Like, maybe the PS5 and XSX will be mostly be 4k/30 FPS and the next SKUs would be 4k/60 FPS, and suddenly I'd need to spend another couple hundred bucks on another console if I wanted to play at 60 FPS... I really hope graphics modes vs framerate modes will be more of a thing in the next gen, because right now devs are always using the increased power of the Pro and X to up the resolution, while performance gets worse. That's a nice advantage PCs have; I can decide if I want higher framerates or nicer graphics.

 

[Stilton Disco]

If performance is your biggest concern, always go PC.

People who care about framerate are always going to be the minority, so developers will always place a low priority on it for their console releases.

Plus all Xbox games will be on PC too, so you're better of with a PC if Xbox ganes are your thing, since you get all their games plus better/cheaper options to buy multiplats from, and PC exclusives. If Sony do end up going insane and start putting their exclusives on PC too, then a PC really is unquestionably a no brainer.

You're best off waiting until next year to make a decision one way or the other though.

 

[SteveLorde]

PC benefits outweight Consoles... no argument needed. Don't forget also you will pay for online subscription, buying lots of 60$ games and you will pay for a new mid-console upgrade in case 4K performance wasn't good enough.

Try to make your PC experience as comfortable as Console (As in good height chair, good and comfortable mouse..etc etc)

 

[martino]

I would wait and see how first batch of third party games play on your pc with your preferences and needs and change parts accordingly if it stays in your budget.
if not then console it will be.

 

[GymWolf]

yeah i'm gonna upgrade my pc to play microsoft games and third party games hopefully at 4k60 frames for a couple of years, my 2070 super is not gonna cut for that level of performance.

but i can't wait 1 to 3 years (or more) to play sony exclusives so i'm still gonna buy a ps5.

 

[sonomamashine]

Do you want Exclusives or no.....
Solved.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Pretty sure anyone with common sense will always recommend upgrading PC >>>> Next Gen consoles, especially if you want the best of the best. I would personally wait for the Nvidia 3xxx gpu's and see what AMD 4xxx cpu's provide in price to performance, than make a decision then. PC will be enjoying all Xbox games and several Sony exclusives. Best of all worlds, plus you have a much bigger library on PC from the get go.

 

[turtlepowa]

If you are not totally crazy for movie-like 3rd person action adventures go for a Pc. Best 3rd party performance, all Microsoft games, free online gaming, cheap keys, controlls of your choice. And even if you can't live without the walking sims, i think you can stand the handful of must haves with PS Now quality on your Pc or just borrow a PS5.

 

[killatopak]

The answer has always been go where the games you want are.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

I think you should wait for next gen games announcement and their minimum requirements.

Then make the call, which system will allow you to play them at best settings. But I doubt you would get next gen consoles for 250 euros.

 

[Patrick S.]

Thanks for your answers, guys. I think I'll stick with PC. The only Sony Exclusive I really care about is Gran Turismo, and knowing Polyphony Digital, it's probably be a couple of years till that launches, anyway. At that point there'll surely be a few nice bundles or a price drop.

Then the remaining question would be if a 2070 or 2070 Super will do the job of carrying me through next gen, if I don't care for resolutions over 1080p. When are the 3xxx cards coming out? Then there'll hopefully be some price drops, as right now GPUs are insanely expensive here in Germany.

 

[CrysisFreak]

If you are not totally crazy for movie-like 3rd person action adventures go for a Pc. Best 3rd party performance, all Microsoft games, free online gaming, cheap keys, controlls of your choice. And even if you can't live without the walking sims, i think you can stand the handful of must haves with PS Now quality on your Pc or just borrow a PS5.

???

 

[T-Cake]

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[M1chl]

RTX 2070 Super specially with DLSS 2.0 which probably going to be more and more prevalent is really good buy right now. But maybe I would wait till the 30XX series, because price drop : )

 

[Great Hair]

PC benefits outweight Consoles... no argument needed. Don't forget also you will pay for online subscription, buying lots of 60$ games and you will pay for a new mid-console upgrade in case 4K performance wasn't good enough.

Try to make your PC experience as comfortable as Console (As in good height chair, good and comfortable mouse..etc etc)

YEAR 1 | PC vs PS5, XSX

PC
$2,900 + OLED TV 55" $1500 = $4,400+
(3700X Ryzen, 5900XT RDNA2 (using 2080 non ti as reference), capture card streaming, 32Gb DDR4 3600Mhz CL14, 1TB nvme, case, 650w psu, cpu cooler, BD4K, W10 license, keyboard&mouse, asus WiFI card, X570 Board, case fans, 2x4TB archive drive + 2nd nvme for games, asus sound card )

PS5, XSX
$500 + OLED TV 55" $1500 = $2,000+

Both should last a whole generation of solid to very good 4K gaming.

Spoiler

YEAR 1 to 5 | Games
CoD, Fifo, Madden, Anthem, essentially the most wanted every year. let´s go with 10 games per year. A total of 50 games.

PC Steam Day 1 purchase "DIGITAL"
$40+ * 10 * 5 = $2,000

Console Gaming Day 1 "PHYSICAL"
$60+ * 10 * 5 = $3,000
5 years of XBlive or PS+ = $300
free games up to 12 per year, 70 or so after 5

If we resell our physical copies, we get easily 50 to 80% back and only keep the really good ones. Those games will only cost $600 to 1500 to a console gamer (if they resell their games aka 2nd hand market is very important! fuck gamepass!)

Final cost after 5 years of 4K
PC
Hardware+TV $4,400+
Software $2,000
subtotal $6,400

Consoles
Hardware+TV $2,000+
Software $3,000 (*if collecting, keeping), *$600 to 1500
subtotal $5,000*, $2,600 to $3,500 (*if resold)

Maintenance

PC 600+ Wattage
5 Years electricity, hardware, games, OLED TV
$8,960+ (moderate, 4 to 6h per day hefty use)
$10,640+ (24/7 encoding, gaming, crunching, folding at home)

700W/h (if 24/7) = 16.6Kwh per 24h = 6,132KwH per year = 30,660KwH 5 Years
at 0.11$ per KwH = $3,372 electricity bill, 24/7, for 5 years
realistically, half to quarter of usage/idle (PC output at 550+ when gaming, 50w or less when watching, surfing) = $1,686 + OLED TV at 150w

Console 200 to 300 Watt
5 Years electricity, hardware, games, OLED TV + XBL, PS+

COLLECTOR, KEEP
$5,000 + $1,445 (24/7 non-stop heavy gaming) = $6,800+
$5,000 + $250+ (4h per day) = $5,550+

RESELLER, 2nd HAND (selling games back, 50% loss)
$3,500 + $1,445 (24/7 non-stop heavy gaming) = $5,300+
$3,500 + $250+ (4h per day) = $4,000+

RESELLER, 2nd HAND (selling games back, 20% loss)
$2,600 + $1,445 (24/7 non-stop heavy gaming) = $4,300+
$2,600 + $250+ (4h per day) = $3,000+

Summary TL,DR:

24/7 heavy use, streaming, folding, crunching, encoding, gaming
PC 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $10,640+
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $6,800+ (no resale)
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $5,300+ (resale, -50%)
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $4,300+ (resale, -20%)


4h/d normal use, some streaming, encoding, gaming
PC 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $8,960+
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $5,550+ (no resale)
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $4,000+ (resale, -50%)
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $3,000+ (resale, -20%)

add a laptop for the console users, a normal pc at 50 to 150watt for youtube, office

+$60 bucks power cost
+$500 to $1000 for a laptop

PC GAMING IS CHEAPER, rite. Even at full retail price, console gaming remains the "smarter" method. Of course we can now nitpick and argument that PC output ultra visuals and console only high ... but who does that?

PC gaming is 2x to 3x more expensive, sure you get to play all those F2P asian grinder, can get half of the games thru dubious sites half the price aka free ... and it would be still more expensive than console gaming.

Also i did not go m-itx route, it would be more expensive and substantially louder, similar to a PS4 pro under heavy attack.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

This is preference. If you got the month for both then that's up to you.

 

[Urprobablyright]

I'm going to get a PS5 the next time i feel the urge to spend that much money on games.. mostly because i want to do my computer being for anything other than work

 

[Can't decide]

PC
$2,900

PC gaming is 2x to 3x more expensive,[/SPOILER]

This is where I almost stopped reading. Are you pricing PC in Brazilian currency?

 

[SteveLorde]

YEAR 1 | PC vs PS5, XSX

PC
$2,900 + OLED TV 55" $1500 = $4,400+
(3700X Ryzen, 5900XT RDNA2 (using 2080 non ti as reference), capture card streaming, 32Gb DDR4 3600Mhz CL14, 1TB nvme, case, 650w psu, cpu cooler, BD4K, W10 license, keyboard&mouse, asus WiFI card, X570 Board, case fans, 2x4TB archive drive + 2nd nvme for games, asus sound card )

PS5, XSX
$500 + OLED TV 55" $1500 = $2,000+

Both should last a whole generation of solid to very good 4K gaming.

Spoiler

YEAR 1 to 5 | Games
CoD, Fifo, Madden, Anthem, essentially the most wanted every year. let´s go with 10 games per year. A total of 50 games.

PC Steam Day 1 purchase "DIGITAL"
$40+ * 10 * 5 = $2,000

Console Gaming Day 1 "PHYSICAL"
$60+ * 10 * 5 = $3,000
5 years of XBlive or PS+ = $300
free games up to 12 per year, 70 or so after 5

If we resell our physical copies, we get easily 50 to 80% back and only keep the really good ones. Those games will only cost $600 to 1500 to a console gamer (if they resell their games aka 2nd hand market is very important! fuck gamepass!)

Final cost after 5 years of 4K
PC
Hardware+TV $4,400+
Software $2,000
subtotal $6,400

Consoles
Hardware+TV $2,000+
Software $3,000 (*if collecting, keeping), *$600 to 1500
subtotal $5,000*, $2,600 to $3,500 (*if resold)

Maintenance

PC 600+ Wattage
5 Years electricity, hardware, games, OLED TV
$8,960+ (moderate, 4 to 6h per day hefty use)
$10,640+ (24/7 encoding, gaming, crunching, folding at home)

700W/h (if 24/7) = 16.6Kwh per 24h = 6,132KwH per year = 30,660KwH 5 Years
at 0.11$ per KwH = $3,372 electricity bill, 24/7, for 5 years
realistically, half to quarter of usage/idle (PC output at 550+ when gaming, 50w or less when watching, surfing) = $1,686 + OLED TV at 150w

Console 200 to 300 Watt
5 Years electricity, hardware, games, OLED TV + XBL, PS+

COLLECTOR, KEEP
$5,000 + $1,445 (24/7 non-stop heavy gaming) = $6,800+
$5,000 + $250+ (4h per day) = $5,550+

RESELLER, 2nd HAND (selling games back, 50% loss)
$3,500 + $1,445 (24/7 non-stop heavy gaming) = $5,300+
$3,500 + $250+ (4h per day) = $4,000+

RESELLER, 2nd HAND (selling games back, 20% loss)
$2,600 + $1,445 (24/7 non-stop heavy gaming) = $4,300+
$2,600 + $250+ (4h per day) = $3,000+

Summary TL,DR:

24/7 heavy use, streaming, folding, crunching, encoding, gaming
PC 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $10,640+
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $6,800+ (no resale)
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $5,300+ (resale, -50%)
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $4,300+ (resale, -20%)


4h/d normal use, some streaming, encoding, gaming
PC 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $8,960+
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $5,550+ (no resale)
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $4,000+ (resale, -50%)
PS5 5 year cost incl. power, games, hardware, TV = $3,000+ (resale, -20%)

add a laptop for the console users, a normal pc at 50 to 150watt for youtube, office

+$60 bucks power cost
+$500 to $1000 for a laptop

PC GAMING IS CHEAPER, rite. Even at full retail price, console gaming remains the "smarter" method. Of course we can now nitpick and argument that PC output ultra visuals and console only high ... but who does that?

PC gaming is 2x to 3x more expensive, sure you get to play all those F2P asian grinder, can get half of the games thru dubious sites half the price aka free ... and it would be still more expensive than console gaming.

Also i did not go m-itx route, it would be more expensive and substantially louder, similar to a PS4 pro under heavy attack.

WTF?! Ofcourse it will cost more than 4xxx$ if you buy 2x4TBs hard drives,32gb DDR4 and a GIANT 55' TV...TVs are dogshit for hardcore PCing

Also who the f*ck buys windows 10?

 

[DarkestHour]

This is where I almost stopped reading. Are you pricing PC in Brazilian currency?

I'll never understand why when people compare PC to console that they insist on pricing out some crazy expensive PC with way more than you need.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I like the 55 inch OLED TV that is completely unnecessary, too.

 

[Mista]

I’d say upgrade your PC and wait till you have enough money and then get a console

But from the post I feel that you want a new console more than upgrading your PC

So its your call, we can’t make that for you. What we say doesn’t matter. What you really want at the end is what matters

 

[Zaffo]

Save the money, get a 3080 when the new consoles come around, enjoy playing the same games at double the frame rate.

 

[Great Hair]

This is where I almost stopped reading. Are you pricing PC in Brazilian currency?

pcpartpicker with similar specs as ngen

This is where I almost stopped reading. Are you pricing PC in Brazilian currency?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($292.14 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($249.99 @ Walmart)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4 TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($81.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4 TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($81.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB Video Card ($699.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($159.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($109.99 @ B&H)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar SE 24-bit 192 kHz Sound Card ($39.99 @ B&H)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC68 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 3 PWM 50.5 CFM 120 mm Fan ($23.66 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 3 PWM 50.5 CFM 120 mm Fan ($23.66 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 3 PWM 50.5 CFM 120 mm Fan ($23.66 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 3 PWM 50.5 CFM 120 mm Fan ($23.66 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Corsair K95 RGB PLATINUM Wired Gaming Keyboard ($129.99 @ Best Buy)
Mouse: Logitech G502 LIGHTSPEED Wireless Optical Mouse ($129.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2745.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-17 08:45 EDT-0400

+ capture card

$500 cheaper without the extra 4tb, shitty psu, 1x nvme etc. But new PC of similar performance, at 4K with rdna2.0 GPU ai r cheap.

And don't come with the "I only need to upgrade the GPU!" .. you invested years ago to be ready 2020.

To make PC cheaper than consoles

- gaming restricted to 2h per day, else consumption will eat the cost.

- don't buy games, get them from captain sparrow and friends

- don't surpass the 400w

- wait til ryzen 4000, ampere and hope for a better power efficiency

- invest in a solar panel portable and feed the PC with free.juice

Stopn justifying. PC is more expensive. You are not going to buy he newest cod for $5 or $10.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Windows 10 costs $10. And a $130 mouse??? 8TB of storage??? TWO NVME drives???

Anything else you'd like to add? A mansion to play it in, perhaps?

 

[HaveButOneLife]

PC benefits outweight Consoles... no argument needed. Don't forget also you will pay for online subscription, buying lots of 60$ games and you will pay for a new mid-console upgrade in case 4K performance wasn't good enough.

Try to make your PC experience as comfortable as Console (As in good height chair, good and comfortable mouse..etc etc)

PS4 and Xbox One games drop down to $20 fairly quickly, physically too. Plus there's the used games market.

 

[Great Hair]

I like the 55 inch OLED TV that is completely unnecessary, too.

Why? I´ve added it to both console and PC. If you already own a good TV, remove it from the setup. But others might need to upgrade?

A new TV?
A complete new PC?
A new Console?

Holy cow, you Personal Computerists sure are defensive.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Why? I´ve added it to both console and PC. If you already own a good TV, remove it from the setup. Both others might need to upgrade?

A new TV?
A complete new PC?
A new Console?

Holy cow, you Personal Computerists sure are defensive.

Most people play on a monitor. Which isn't going to cost 1500 dollars. I like how you compile a ridiculous list, then pretend to act hurt when called on it. Very cute.

 

[shoegaze]

Most reasonable action to take is to wait and see how things pan out after the release of next gen consoles. My brother was in similar predicament, only with the choice of upgrading now with Nvidia or waiting it out for RDNA2 cards. He'll wait it out.

 

[Patrick S.]

Right, just sold the GTX 1080 for 325 Euro. Nice! I paid 300 for it used a few months ago, but they've since gone up in price. I could put 200-240 on top at the end of the month and get a brand new 2070 Super if the prices don't change too much, or wait a bit longer to see if they come down in price a bit, and meanwhile I can game on my laptop with a 970M or just play on the Pro or the One S or my son's X. So I really shouldn't be in a hurry, but I don't have much self control haha.

 

[diffusionx]

Nowadays, with MS putting all their games on PC, Sony putting some of their games on PC, publishers turning "remasters" that are new INI files into major revenue sources, and console mid-gen refreshes, I just think the PC is just the clear best option. It used to be that consoles were an alternative, now I think they're just locked down, worse PCs.

It isn't for everyone, but if you're on PC these days I think the advantage over console should be pretty obvious.

 

[ThatGamingDude]

Do you want Exclusives or no.....
Solved.

Essentially this

With how the market is these days, a ton of games either get same day PC release or ports later on

I could only really see Nintendo and Sony keeping specific titles exclusive; M$ has learned that a bunch of PC people wouldn't mind playing some console games, even if we have to use a shitty metro app to do it.

People fought the implementation of USB, and well, look where we are now

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Right, just sold the GTX 1080 for 325 Euro. Nice! I paid 300 for it used a few months ago, but they've since gone up in price. I could put 200-240 on top at the end of the month and get a brand new 2070 Super if the prices don't change too much, or wait a bit longer to see if they come down in price a bit, and meanwhile I can game on my laptop with a 970M or just play on the Pro or the One S or my son's X. So I really shouldn't be in a hurry, but I don't have much self control haha.

A 1080 to 2070 Super isn't going to be that noticeable. Wait on the 30 series cards if you can.

 

[Can't decide]

pcpartpicker with similar specs as ngen

You're not serious, are you? Remind us again which console is coming with 32GB of RAM, 4 hard drives, 10TB of storage, additional sound cards and so on.

 

[Great Hair]

Most people play on a monitor. Which isn't going to cost 1500 dollars. I like how you compile a ridiculous list, then pretend to act hurt when called on it. Very cute.

Sure ;D

Spoiler

CPU $300
GPU $500 to 650 for "proper PC 4K! bitches! with DLSS2.0, non working HDR! broken DRIVERS!"
PSU 80% Gold, (in my list titanium bit overkill) $100
Board with good PBO, OC, Upgradeability $150 to 250
Case Fractal Sexyness $100 to 200
BD4K $50
Pirated W10 copy $0
1x NVME only 1TB $100
no additional storage, 1TB for your porn, games, school documents and music .... ok
4x case fans $10 to 20
cpucooler noctua $90

subtotal $1600+

thats with 16gb ram, shitty $100 board, shitty PSU, only 1TB harddrive, pirated w10 copy abd assuming you dont need a good 4K, ultra wide shitty non working HDR monitor for another $500 to 1000. Add that to the setup = $2000+

#Cheerio

 

[Great Hair]

You're not serious, are you? Remind us again which console is coming with 32GB of RAM, 4 hard drives, 10TB of storage, additional sound cards and so on.

ARENT YOU FOLKS claiming that a PC CAN DO MORE?! More than just gaming? For anything serious work related 32gb is BARE minimum. If you photopshop at home with tons of layers, NLE work or 3D modelling ... 16GB aint cutting it.

AND yes! get a fucking Sound card already! Im still using my trusty Asus DX 7.1 and that shit (broken drivers) beats the living crap out of every $700 TR40 onboard sound chip. Capiche?!

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Sure ;D

Spoiler

CPU $300
GPU $500 to 650 for "proper PC 4K! bitches! with DLSS2.0, non working HDR! broken DRIVERS!"
PSU 80% Gold, (in my list titanium bit overkill) $100
Board with good PBO, OC, Upgradeability $150 to 250
Case Fractal Sexyness $100 to 200
BD4K $50
Pirated W10 copy $0
1x NVME only 1TB $100
no additional storage, 1TB for your porn, games, school documents and music .... ok
4x case fans $10 to 20
cpucooler noctua $90

subtotal $1600+

thats with 16gb ram, shitty $100 board, shitty PSU, only 1TB harddrive, pirated w10 copy abd assuming you dont need a good 4K, ultra wide shitty non working HDR monitor for another $500 to 1000. Add that to the setup = $2000+

#Cheerio

No one said anything about pirating Windows 10. W10 is free. You can legally unlock your copy for 10 bucks. You sure do know these PC things.

At least you posted a realistic list this time, but still couldn't resist embarrassing yourself by tossing in 'shitty', etc. So what's your actual point here? PC gaming is more expensive than console gaming? Give this man a fucking Pulitzer! Incredible breaking news here!

Has anyone actually argued that it isn't?

 

[Great Hair]

No one said anything about pirating Windows 10. W10 is free. You can legally unlock your copy for 10 bucks.

Has anyone actually argued that it isn't?

Not you in particular, I guess. Anyway with shitty components like shitty cooler, case fans, only 1x storage + 4tb archive, shitty board, only 16gb ram etc.

$1800

System Builder

pcpartpicker.com

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Not you in particular, I guess. Anyway with shitty components like shitty cooler, case fans, only 1x storage + 4tb archive, shitty board, only 16gb ram etc.

$1900

System Builder

pcpartpicker.com

Someone said that console gaming isn't as cheap as simply paying for the console, which is true.....and this sent you scurrying off to PC Part Picker to compile an absurd list of PC components to prove.....well, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove since as far as I can tell, no one is arguing that PC gaming is cheaper.

And you call PC gamers defensive? LOL.

 

[martino]

Great Hair you ----->

<----- the thread

when it comes to build/upgrade pc....bad faith list & context is never away.

 

[kruis]

Right, just sold the GTX 1080 for 325 Euro. Nice! I paid 300 for it used a few months ago, but they've since gone up in price. I could put 200-240 on top at the end of the month and get a brand new 2070 Super if the prices don't change too much, or wait a bit longer to see if they come down in price a bit, and meanwhile I can game on my laptop with a 970M or just play on the Pro or the One S or my son's X. So I really shouldn't be in a hurry, but I don't have much self control haha.

Why this particular upgrade? A 2070 has about the same performance as a 1080. I don't see the point unless you're hoping that many more upcoming games will have both DSLS 2.0-support and raytracing effects.

 

[Patrick S.]

Why this particular upgrade? A 2070 has about the same performance as a 1080. I don't see the point unless you're hoping that many more upcoming games will have both DSLS 2.0-support and raytracing effects.

I'm not really hoping for raytracing, but I guess since the new consoles have it, basically every AAA game released in the future will make use of it, and I don't want my PC games to look worse than the console versions Isn't a 2070 Super stronger than what we know about the PS5's GPU specs?

 

[Tarin02543]

I was a PC enthusiast for a long period but the lack of expendable time will lead me to quicker distractions.

 

[kruis]

Save the money, get a 3080 when the new consoles come around, enjoy playing the same games at double the frame rate.

For almost twice the price

I'm not really hoping for raytracing, but I guess since the new consoles have it, basically every AAA game released in the future will make use of it, and I don't my PC games to look worse than the console versions Isn't a 2070 Super stronger than what we know about the PS5's GPU specs?

The point is that you won't get a noticeable frame rate boost from your current games compares to the GTX 1080 you just sold.. If you buy a GTX 2070 Super you get on average a 15-20% higher framerate, is that really worth $250?

 

[DoctaThompson]

Why? I´ve added it to both console and PC. If you already own a good TV, remove it from the setup. But others might need to upgrade?

A new TV?
A complete new PC?
A new Console?

Holy cow, you Personal Computerists sure are defensive.

I don't know of anyone who buys a TV for a high end pc. A high end monitor >>> High end tv.

Also, who the fuck puts a capture card and several other unnecessary things into the pc list? Not everyone who is into gaming wants to do it in the living room, or stream it.

No offense to you, but do you own a PC? I'm not trying to take shots at you or anything like that, but I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Patrick S.]

For almost twice the price


The point is that you won't get a noticeable frame rate boost from your current games compares to the GTX 1080 you just sold.. If you buy a GTX 2070 Super you get on average a 15-20% higher framerate, is that really worth $250?

Well my idea was to go from 1080p at 60 fps to 1080p at 60 fps with raytracing. If a 2070 Super would give me that, I think those 250 are ok.

 

[kruis]

Well my idea was to go from 1080p at 60 fps to with 1080p at 60 fps with raytracing. If a 2070 Super would give me that, I think those 250 are ok.

You could have had a lot more bang for your buck if you had had the patience to wait for the GTX 3070 that's coming out at the end of this year. This is a weak sauce upgrade.

 

[INC]

A ps5 for exclusives if you care about them, otherwise no, pc will have all xbox games on there anyway

 

[Patrick S.]

PS4 and Xbox One games drop down to $20 fairly quickly, physically too. Plus there's the used games market.

Yeah, I never pay launch prices. The only game I bought on launch was Death Stranding Special Edition because I needed that day one

 

[Patrick S.]

You could have had a lot more bang for your buck if you had had the patience to wait for the GTX 3070 that's coming out at the end of this year. This is a weak sauce upgrade.

Yeah, sure. I just hope I don't shoot myself in the foot in case the new 3xxx cards turn out to cost 100-150 Euro more :/