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Well I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free.

And with a straight face you’re going to tell gaffers that America is so star spangled awesome that we’re the only ones in the world that have freedom?

Canada has freedom. Japan has freedom. The UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia, BELGIUM has freedom. So, 207 sovereign states in the world, like 180 of them have freedom.

Just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day there’s somethings you should know. One of them is there’s absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we’re the greatest country in the world. We’re 7th in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in science, 49th in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, 3rd in median household income, Number 4 in labor force and Number 4 in exports, we lead the world in only three categories: Number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending where spend more than the next 26 countries combined, 25 of whom are allies.

Now none of this is the fault of a 20 year old college student, but you none the less are without a doubt a member of the worst period generation period ever period, so when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Yosemite?

It sure used to be. We stood up for what was right. We fought for moral reasons. We passed laws, struck down laws for moral reasons. We waged wars on poverty, not poor people. We sacrificed, we cared about our neighbors, we put our money where our mouths were and we never beat our chests. We built great big things, made ungodly technological advances, explored the universe, cured diseases, and cultivated the world’s greatest artists and the world’s greatest economy. We reached for the stars, acted like men, we aspired to intelligence, we didn’t belittle it, it didn’t make us feel inferior.

We didn’t identify ourselves by who we voted for in the last election and we didn’t scare so easy. We were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed, by great men, men who were revered. First step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one. America is not the greatest country in the world anymore.

Enough?
 

Lautaro

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What? You criticized who we provided aid to. I don't care what you say about our government as I don't like it or care for it either.

I simply was trying to bring up an example of good things the USA does for other parts of the World. You immediately retorted with "yeah you're supporting places you destroyed with war blah blah" .... yet ignore all the help we provide to many of the nations of Africa/Latin America/Asia/etc.

Foreign aid is part of foreign policy and I haven't forgot who the US help (that's why I posted the link to the list and mentioned Haiti). I also mentioned facts and you gave me just emotional responses so I guess there's no actual debate here. Like I said, a good thing doesn't erase a bad one.

Cheers.
 

Macattk15

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And with a straight face you’re going to tell gaffers that America is so star spangled awesome that we’re the only ones in the world that have freedom?

Canada has freedom. Japan has freedom. The UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia, BELGIUM has freedom. So, 207 sovereign states in the world, like 180 of them have freedom.

Just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day there’s somethings you should know. One of them is there’s absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we’re the greatest country in the world. We’re 7th in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in science, 49th in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, 3rd in median household income, Number 4 in labor force and Number 4 in exports, we lead the world in only three categories: Number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending where spend more than the next 26 countries combined, 25 of whom are allies.

Now none of this is the fault of a 20 year old college student, but you none the less are without a doubt a member of the worst period generation period ever period, so when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Yosemite?

It sure used to be. We stood up for what was right. We fought for moral reasons. We passed laws, struck down laws for moral reasons. We waged wars on poverty, not poor people. We sacrificed, we cared about our neighbors, we put our money where our mouths were and we never beat our chests. We built great big things, made ungodly technological advances, explored the universe, cured diseases, and cultivated the world’s greatest artists and the world’s greatest economy. We reached for the stars, acted like men, we aspired to intelligence, we didn’t belittle it, it didn’t make us feel inferior.

We didn’t identify ourselves by who we voted for in the last election and we didn’t scare so easy. We were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed, by great men, men who were revered. First step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one. America is not the greatest country in the world anymore.

Enough?

Did you really just take Aaron Sorkin's script from The Newsroom and post it here?

Foreign aid is part of foreign policy and I haven't forgot who the US help (that's why I posted the link to the list and mentioned Haiti). I also mentioned facts and you gave me just emotional responses so I guess there's no actual debate here. Like I said, a good thing doesn't erase a bad one.

Cheers.

You're right. There isn't a debate. What facts did you mention? There is a reason Afghanistan and Iraq are given the most foreign aid. You can agree or disagree for the reasoning of US occupation in those areas all you want ... but if that economic aid isn't given today then I'm pretty sure those countries would be worse off than previous.

"Presently 90 percent of the Afghan government’s budget depends on foreign aid and money from the international donor community and military spending makes up about 97 percent of the country’s GDP."

I was never arguing that the reasoning we were in those areas was good or bad. You seemed to have a problem with the fact that we were aiding these areas (Afghanistan/Iraq/Pakistan) so heavily.
 
Why bother moving when you can have a Rustlerz instead?

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J2d

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Our microbrews are some of the sickest drunkest snobbiest beers around. Belgium, look out. Germany, France, look out. We out here.
Wasn't gonna give a shit about this topic but jesus christ at oskar blues gubna, so fucking good, well done usa.
 
My only time in America was a quick trip through Atlanta airport on a connecting flight. That was enough for one lifetime, It's like a parody of the real world. Sorry guys <3

I do like peanut butter and jam sandwiches though! That's an American thing right?
 

Necrovex

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i can see how you couldve been mislead. if you come to america and are drinking bud light, or even a mediocre microbrew, i see how you could believe what you do.

But the good microbreweries are simply the best! Macrobreweries is where America fails at.
 
God damn, thanks OP. Sometimes you take it for granted living in the best nation in the history of mankind. Always nice to remember that I'm American.
 

supergiz

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And with a straight face you’re going to tell gaffers that America is so star spangled awesome that we’re the only ones in the world that have freedom?

Canada has freedom. Japan has freedom. The UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia, BELGIUM has freedom. So, 207 sovereign states in the world, like 180 of them have freedom.

I said something similar to my parents and their counter argument being we are the only ones that have true freedom. Lol
 
This thread is hilarious. Everyone's sarcasm detectors are broken, and lots of butthurt folks are here to remind us that America isn't number one! We know. There is no number one.

One quick aside to our Chilean critic: unlike you, I've actually taken time to visit your country before making uninformed judgments (Santiago and Viña del Mar). Beautiful, fun places. Lots of great people and culture. Sort of like the same places you'll find on both our coasts.

I distinctly recall the KFC in downtown Santiago overflowing with people...sorry for helping to make your folks fat.

Your country really isn't in a firm place to judge our foreign policy, but you knew that already. All our histories are filled with dark, regrettable moments. Our treatment of native Americans was and is a disgrace. Your government "disappeared" thousands and thousands of its own citizens under Pinochet.

You're correct that good does not make the bad go away. And yet conversely, bad doesn't negate the good, despite your mental gymnastics implying as much. Americans have stepped up in the past to help folks in their time of need (e.g. Normandy), just as others have helped us in ours (thanks to France during the Revolutionary War!).

Chile is much more isolationist in terms of world affairs. As such, you guys make far fewer mistakes, but you similarly contribute far less on the world stage. Whether that's better or worse is for you to decide.
 

Lautaro

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You're right. There isn't a debate. What facts did you mention? There is a reason Afghanistan and Iraq are given the most foreign aid. You can agree or disagree for the reasoning of US occupation in those areas all you want ... but if that economic aid isn't given today then I'm pretty sure those countries would be worse off than previous.

"Presently 90 percent of the Afghan government’s budget depends on foreign aid and money from the international donor community and military spending makes up about 97 percent of the country’s GDP."

I was never arguing that the reasoning we were in those areas was good or bad. You seemed to have a problem with the fact that we were aiding these areas (Afghanistan/Iraq/Pakistan) so heavily.

Need I remind you that all this started because people like you started with the "we should stop giving aid, that will show them" crap?

I gave you reasons why that would be good in certain cases (to change your foreign policy) and bad in others but you keep getting offended about nothing (hell, you even tried to give shit to my country when you probably can't even locate it in a map).

Cut the crap, it's not like I'm insulting your nation.
 

Lautaro

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This thread is hilarious. Everyone's sarcasm detectors are broken, and lots of butthurt folks are here to remind us that America isn't number one! We know. There is no number one.

One quick aside to our Chilean critic: unlike you, I've actually taken time to visit your country before making uninformed judgments (Santiago and Viña del Mar). Beautiful, fun places. Lots of great people and culture. Sort of like the same places you'll find on both our coasts.

I distinctly recall the KFC in downtown Santiago overflowing with people...sorry for helping to make your folks fat.

Your country really isn't in a firm place to judge our foreign policy, but you knew that already. All our histories are filled with dark, regrettable moments. Our treatment of native Americans was and is a disgrace. Your government "disappeared" thousands and thousands of its own citizens under Pinochet.

You're correct that good does not make the bad go away. And yet conversely, bad doesn't negate the good, despite your mental gymnastics implying as much. Americans have stepped up in the past to help folks in their time of need (e.g. Normandy), just as others have helped us in ours (thanks to France during the Revolutionary War!).

Chile is much more isolationist in terms of world affairs. As such, you guys make far fewer mistakes, but you similarly contribute far less on the world stage. Whether that's better or worse is for you to decide.

Oh great, now this thread is about my country. Don't worry I'll try to remember that my country is not perfect the next time you start a war based on false evidence and I want to give some criticism.
 

Macattk15

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Need I remind you that all this started because people like you started with the "we should stop giving aid, that will show them" crap?

I gave you reasons why that would be good in certain cases (to change your foreign policy) and bad in others but you keep getting offended about nothing (hell, you even tried to give shit to my country when you probably can't even locate it in a map).

Cut the crap, it's not like I'm insulting your nation.

You're not Uzbekistan. I know full well where Chile (and the rest of the South American countries) are on a map.

Quit thinking all Americans are morons!
 
And with a straight face you’re going to tell gaffers that America is so star spangled awesome that we’re the only ones in the world that have freedom?

Canada has freedom. Japan has freedom. The UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia, BELGIUM has freedom. So, 207 sovereign states in the world, like 180 of them have freedom.

Just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day there’s somethings you should know. One of them is there’s absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we’re the greatest country in the world. We’re 7th in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in science, 49th in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, 3rd in median household income, Number 4 in labor force and Number 4 in exports, we lead the world in only three categories: Number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending where spend more than the next 26 countries combined, 25 of whom are allies.

Now none of this is the fault of a 20 year old college student, but you none the less are without a doubt a member of the worst period generation period ever period, so when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Yosemite?

It sure used to be. We stood up for what was right. We fought for moral reasons. We passed laws, struck down laws for moral reasons. We waged wars on poverty, not poor people. We sacrificed, we cared about our neighbors, we put our money where our mouths were and we never beat our chests. We built great big things, made ungodly technological advances, explored the universe, cured diseases, and cultivated the world’s greatest artists and the world’s greatest economy. We reached for the stars, acted like men, we aspired to intelligence, we didn’t belittle it, it didn’t make us feel inferior.

We didn’t identify ourselves by who we voted for in the last election and we didn’t scare so easy. We were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed, by great men, men who were revered. First step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one. America is not the greatest country in the world anymore.

Enough?
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