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DOOM |OT| Rip and tear, until it's done
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Valkyr1983
Banned
Dude I'm gonna give if an honest shot. I tried grabbing it from redbox last night but they were out
I'm just vocalizing a style I hate. I liked a lot about shadow warrior but hated the lockdown arenas that magically opened after you killed all the enemies
I prefer a more organic flow to encounters that feel more open ended than being locked in, that's all
I prefer TNO encounter style to be honest
Ricerocket
Member
It's a straight up shooter, move from one area to another and kill, no scripted scenes.
Haloid1177
Banned
Are most guns unmissable? I felt like I explored pretty well on the first level, got 2/3 secrets, but no new guns and I want a new gun lol
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I don't really think the game is DOOM, as in like DOOM and DOOM 2. It's clearly not the same, particularly in the pacing of encounters (like the arena encounters). There's some DOOM heart there, as is a bit of Quake, but for me what makes this DOOM so enjoyable is less it being exactly DOOM (and let's be real, DOOM 3 wasn't that either) and more being reminiscent of shooters from that era. In that respect it's fast, rewards accuracy and mobility, and the core facets of game design and game feedback lean heavily on the combat itself. So the arena battles, while typically very simple and not exactly thrilling design, are nevertheless exciting to me because they're not intrusive nor do they disrupt the flow of play that is already based entirely around combat. Some of the arenas honestly resemble something out of Quake 3, right down to the jump pads. And it's not like they're tiny boxed in rooms where you fend off 40 waves of dudes. Most are decently sized combat zones with a great assortment of power-ups, armour, and health, along with verticality in the level design itself. Enemies spawn in 'waves', and yes you must beat them to unlock the gates, but it plays like a constant flow of escalating bad-dude toughness that you're challenged to conquer.
Getting into that groove of kill cycles, balancing your gear, crowd control from the enemy types, and mastering the combat arena itself all the while heavy, chunky guitar riffs punch through the background is exactly what makes it so fun. I can totally dig someone not being a fan of that kind of game design and thus not enjoying DOOM, but the thing is that this DOOM really is just about the shootbang. If you can't enjoy the arena encounters and the challenge they provide, the thrill of mastering weapon juggling against an impressive assortment of heckbeasts, all the while running and jumping around like a mad man, I don't think any other stretch of the game will impress you either because it's still fundamentally the same thing just not "an arena". And even then the "arena" aspect isn't always valid, you're just expected to clear a stretch of level of enemies before progressing onwards. So far I've not once felt I had to hunt down an enemy. Nor have I felt an arena or zone encounter was unenjoyable.
If you like the feel of the gunplay, the hit feedback and gore, along with the balancing of your health/armour/ammo via accuracy and mobility, then the arena encounters should be plenty fun and not a deterrent from giving DOOM a real try.
Depending on if the last vision leak holds up, Arkane's Prey is also supposed to be a spiritual successor to System Shock 2. So...that's quite the fucking combo.
Getting into that groove of kill cycles, balancing your gear, crowd control from the enemy types, and mastering the combat arena itself all the while heavy, chunky guitar riffs punch through the background is exactly what makes it so fun. I can totally dig someone not being a fan of that kind of game design and thus not enjoying DOOM, but the thing is that this DOOM really is just about the shootbang. If you can't enjoy the arena encounters and the challenge they provide, the thrill of mastering weapon juggling against an impressive assortment of heckbeasts, all the while running and jumping around like a mad man, I don't think any other stretch of the game will impress you either because it's still fundamentally the same thing just not "an arena". And even then the "arena" aspect isn't always valid, you're just expected to clear a stretch of level of enemies before progressing onwards. So far I've not once felt I had to hunt down an enemy. Nor have I felt an arena or zone encounter was unenjoyable.
If you like the feel of the gunplay, the hit feedback and gore, along with the balancing of your health/armour/ammo via accuracy and mobility, then the arena encounters should be plenty fun and not a deterrent from giving DOOM a real try.
Depending on if the last vision leak holds up, Arkane's Prey is also supposed to be a spiritual successor to System Shock 2. So...that's quite the fucking combo.
It's also in relation to other games they review. It's because this (and the fantastic TNO) get scored less than far inferior games, that people get annoyed.
And perhaps you can actually play the game and form your own opinion before judging people's response as weird?
I think it's much much better. The level design in SW was dull and the actual combat is nowhere near as well done.
mdsfx
Member
Spent about 4+ hours with the game finding all collectibles on Levels 1 & 2. I'm really enjoying the hell out of it. The secrets add A LOT to the game.
The classic maps being playable once you find them, although short, are such an awesome addition. It's such a trip being on the old levels with the new characters & weapons lol.
The classic maps being playable once you find them, although short, are such an awesome addition. It's such a trip being on the old levels with the new characters & weapons lol.
Well, some scripted scenes.
Dictator93
Member
I'll be complely honest GAF... I love this game.
Love it.
Love it.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Yep. Doom is way, way better than SW and I actually really liked SW.
So do I
Which is going to make it all the more torturous that I'll be without my PC for the next 4 weeks starting Monday
mcz117chief
Member
I agree with level design, as in layout, but everything else is much better in Shadow Warrior.
mdsfx
Member
I agree 100% here. I also loved Shadow Warrior, but there's no comparison here IMO. I love the level design here.
they are scattered all over
But there is likely a first time encounter when it is the earliest you can get it
justjustin
Member
That does sound pretty bad, actually, if you truly have to walk around in circles looking for an easy enemy to pick off. I wonder if this is an issue on harder difficulties, where maybe the enemies are more aggressive and difficult. As a rule, I always play on the hardest difficulty first to make the game last longer and see what it offers at its limits.
Anyway, thanks to this thread and the great impressions I ordered the game yesterday. I've enjoyed all the other games on multiple platforms-- whether it was with kb/m or strafing with shoulder buttons on the PSX!-- and I'm sure this new Doom will have no trouble finding its spot as one of my favorite FPS games.
Valkyr1983
Banned
I don't think the arenas are big enough to actually have to HUNT for an enemy but still
Part of the combAt style of classic doom was trying to draw certain monsters from a horde and draw them to choke points, etc, esp at higher difficulties
Brian_FETO
Banned
The music may not be generic from a game standpoint, but from a metal standpoint it's Meshuggah/"djent" BS, one of the most samey and safe trends today
I like the heavy mechanical/electronic influence in the music, makes it sound more robotic and fitting of the setting, but the music itself is standard as hell.
Meshuggah are amazing though...
I just can't agree there. Doom just feels so much better to play and I liked Shadow Warrior.
SeanNoonan
Member
This!
mcz117chief
Member
I guess opinions, for me Shadow Warrior (and Halo 3) is the pinnacle of FPS games so far.
potatohead
Member
Lmao same, keep changing my shotgun secondary fire like that XD
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
So is this game legit or what?
I adored Wolfebstein TNO on PS4, BTW.
Should I bite?
I adored Wolfebstein TNO on PS4, BTW.
Should I bite?
All metal would work.
mcz117chief
Member
yeah, it's good
To be honest there has not been a single instance where I had to hunt down a left over enemy to unlock an area. I'm more than halfway through the game and every encounter whether preplaced or arena style has felt organic in both flow and pacing.
Piston Hyundai
Member
It's such fucking bullshit that there are points of no return. I've had to restart the mission at the very end twice now because I missed an unlabelled secret that was past a point of no return. This after I started to admire how it seemed like you could access the entire map after you've cleared it out.
potatohead
Member
How bad is the ending compared to RAGE?
RAGE has the worst ending imo of almost any game I've finished personally.
justjustin
Member
I see what you mean. Yeah, as long as I don't have to hunt for stragglers I don't mind. You're right the original Doom gave you plenty of freedom in how to approach enemies. Carefully attracting enemies and leading them around was basically every level in the 4th episode in Doom-- which I LOVED (and I beat it on 1 life, no savestates ultra-violence). I think, though, that type of design was a genius way to make up for the relatively simplistic enemy actions. That's why the few arena-style levels in Doom II were so bad, it just felt like monotonous point and click while you run around the outside. However, the individual enemies in this new Doom combined with more flexible combat seem to be interesting enough to warrant forced, closed-space arena fights like the original games could not do (and luckily almost never did). I like either style if the foundation is there.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Picks a "easy" kinda difficulty and complaints about length lol
I mean the ending boss is great. I dont want to get too spoiler-y but lets just say it Halo 2s pretty hard. Like really hard.
You should have played it on nightmare, I'm 9 hours in and just reached hell. Hurt me plenty is just too easy
potatohead
Member
Agree.
The added benefit of this release like 18 years later.... I love how the enemies are so aggressive, and they have multiple attack types.
They are literally jumping all over the place, it's fucking awesome
OK cool thanks.
Slower? No.
Larger FOV should reduce motion sickness or eliminate it.
On PC, the slider goes from 90 (default) to 130.
Playing on higher diff would not have added 3-5 hours to the game imo. I'm gonna play it again on higher diff sure. And what is there is fantastic, but there's no way anyone that is half-way decent is getting 13 hours out of this unless you are doing like a completion run or something.
Took me 12h or so on Normal (or whatever it was called). I did one restart though (pointlessly, in retrospect) and i did search for most secrets.
potatohead
Member
Valkyr1983
Banned
Do you get to fight on the surface at all like in 1-3?
7DollarHagane
Banned
Thr multiplayer is actually really good on PC. I eat crow for calling it forgettable. Having a great time.
Lé Blade Runner
Member
Personally, I prefer this metric
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Same here. Modern times and what not. I don't even browse Metacritic anymore.