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Doom: The Dark Ages got an official release date today at Xbox’s Developer Direct — and we even had a chance to go hands-on with the game — and alongside the announcement of a May 15 release, developer id Software released the PC requirements for the game. And similar to Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, which is also built using the idTech engine, it looks like Doom: The Dark Ages will put some heat on even the best graphics cards.


You can see the full system requirements below. You’ll need an 8GB graphics card to even run the game, but that’s a fairly low bar for a title releasing in 2025. What’s interesting is that an 8GB graphics card will only get you 60 frames per second (fps) at 1080p with the Low graphics preset. That’s a bit of problem considering otherwise powerful GPUs, such as the RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 3070, are stuck with 8GB of video memory.

Even the lowest tier calls for a GPU that supports ray tracing, locking out anything older than Nvidia’s RTX 20-series and AMD’s RX 6000 GPUs.

id Software

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In order to push to higher graphics settings, the system requirements call for at least 10GB, though a 12GB graphics card like the RX 7700 XT will likely be better. If you want to climb up to 4K, you’ll need 16GB, locking out all GPUs except flagship cards like the RX 7900 XTX and RTX 4080 Super — and, of course, the brand new RTX 5090 with its 32GB of memory.

 

[Landr300]

its a turning point, if doom fails i dont think this trend will continue much longer, if it succeed maybe will go on a little longer

 

[Three]

So this is why they got that "raytracing for gameplay" news out there early.

 

[Agent_4Seven]

Don't care about RT in DOOM, haven't played Eternal with it and won't be this one (or turn all the shit down to low or off).

 

[viveks86]

Yeah that was already apparent with the requirements for Indy. Ray tracing is getting “baked in”, pun intended, to the latest ID engine

 

[TintoConCasera]

GTX 1060 bros in shambles.

 

[analog_future]

Good. Keep pushing the standard forward.

 

[Hudo]

Didn't they say they use RT for calculating the damage your projectiles do by accumulating the materials they travel through? I guess if they've programmed kernels in CUDA/OpenCL/Vulkan for this, then it makes sense they'd want "RT capable" GPUs (depending on how they exactly implemented it).

 

[Skifi28]

I wonder if the console version also comes with RT as default while also 60fps. Indi, show us the way!

 

[Gaiff]

Those GPUs will have been available for 7 years by the time Doom releases. That’s a console generation. Time to get with the times.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Yay I can play with my RTX4070. It does that required thing. Not very well, but it does it.

 

[adamsapple]

Same as Indy, same engine even.

Wonder if this means the console version also has RT.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Those GPUs will have been available for 7 years by the time Doom releases. That’s a console generation. Time to get with the times.

It does kick out everyone who is an amd card user.

Paves the way for even more nvidia market monopoly.

 

[winjer]

It would be nice to be able to disable RT, considering that in most games it does little for image quality, but takes a huge performance hit.
It's very rare that RT justifies the performance degradation.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

It does kick out everyone who is an amd card user.

I guess amd users couldn't play indiana jones then, oh wait..

 

[Bojji]

its a turning point, if doom fails i dont think this trend will continue much longer, if it succeed maybe will go on a little longer

Indiana Jones and Metro EE already did it.

Yay I can play with my RTX4070. It does that required thing. Not very well, but it does it.

It does RT better than new Sony console.

It would be nice to be able to disable RT, considering that in most games it does little for image quality, but takes a huge performance hit.
It's very rare that RT justifies the performance degradation.

Game without RT wouldn't have any lighting. They don't have software RT like lumen or what snowdrop has as fallback.

They don't have to bake lighting with this approach and as mentioned before in this thread RT cards are on the market for many years now.

 

[Gaiff]

It does kick out everyone who is an amd card user.

Paves the way for even more nvidia market monopoly.

Huh? AMD GPUs have had ray tracing since 2020.

 

[winjer]

Game without RT wouldn't have any lighting. They don't have software RT like lumen or what snowdrop has as fallback.

They don't have to bake lighting with this approach and as mentioned before in this thread RT cards are on the market for many years now.

Just us the same solution they used in the previous 2 games, as it looked good and ran a lot better.

 

[Wooxsvan]

7900xtx brick. damn you amd

 

[Bojji]

Just us the same solution they used in the previous 2 games, as it looked good and ran a lot better.

Doom Eternal and Wolfenstein 2 were made for last gen consoles.

They probably save some time using RT vs. manually baking lighting. This is what RT promised in 2018. RT only games should be a thing for years now.

Their RT solution is also quite light:

You get ~60fps on PS5 class AMD GPU in 1440p on max settings.

 

[winjer]

Doom Eternal and Wolfenstein 2 were made for last gen consoles.

They probably save some time using RT vs. manually baking lighting. This is what RT promised in 2018. RT only games should be a thing for years now.

Their RT solution is also quite light:

You get ~60fps on PS5 class AMD GPU in 1440p on max settings.

The matter is not if this new Doom would or should not have RT.
It's that it should have the option to turn it off.

 

[Black_Stride]

Fuck the GPU min spec 8 cores 16 threads?
Is my 12400 finally gonna bow out?

 

[Bojji]

The matter is not if this new Doom would or should not have RT.
It's that it should have the option to turn it off.

But option to turn it off would require shit ton of work for developers, essentially to create 2 versions of the game. And for what?

 

[winjer]

But option to turn it off would require shit ton of work for developers, essentially to create 2 versions of the game. And for what?

But it's not 2 versions of the game. And it would improve performance. And allow more people to buy and play.

 

[Gaiff]

The matter is not if this new Doom would or should not have RT.
It's that it should have the option to turn it off.

They're using RT for gameplay elements. I don't think turning it off is an option.

 

[TintoConCasera]

The matter is not if this new Doom would or should not have RT.
It's that it should have the option to turn it off.

I requires RTX, true, but I think that doesn't mean you have to turn ON the RTX lights and reflections effects.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

The matter is not if this new Doom would or should not have RT.
It's that it should have the option to turn it off.

There's no way to turn off RT if it's used for all lighting, turning it off would essentially break the game and make it unlit (which happens if you ini disable RT in sw outlaws) , unless they also made a baked lightmap version of all lights, which of course is a ton of extra work; not even twice as much work, more like 3x/4x as much.

 

[Hyet]

How the fuck are they using RT for gameplay exactly? I'm intrigued.

 

[Bojji]

But it's not 2 versions of the game. And it would improve performance. And allow more people to buy and play.

2 versions of the lighting, and baking lighting takes shit ton of time. More people? Maybe, but every gpu released by Nvidia, AMD and Intel since 2020 have RT support. Time to leave the past behind...

 

[funking giblet]

How the fuck are they using RT for gameplay exactly? I'm intrigued.

It can be used to accurately trace projectiles, which materials are being hit, how deep penetration is. It can also be used for sounds, there are some great 3D audio effects using Raytracing to calculate sound propagation in materials.

 

[winjer]

They're using RT for gameplay elements. I don't think turning it off is an option.

Gameplay elements? Like what?
That sounds like marketing bs.

 

[Bry0]

7900xtx brick. damn you amd

Sarcasm?
That is the recommended AMD card for 4K in the official requirements.

 

[gpn]

The matter is not if this new Doom would or should not have RT.
It's that it should have the option to turn it off.

Then there would be no gameplay.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/doom-dark-ages-will-not-only-use-ray-tracing-for-visuals-but-for-gameplay.1679808/

 

[Landr300]

Indiana Jones and Metro EE already did it.



It does RT better than new Sony console.



Game without RT wouldn't have any lighting. They don't have software RT like lumen or what snowdrop has as fallback.

They don't have to bake lighting with this approach and as mentioned before in this thread RT cards are on the market for many years now.

Indiana Jones has only gotten 12k in simultaneous players on steam and have been some reports that it didn't sell very, but this can be because of first person debacle

Doom is entirely different beast, it's a traditional gaming ip, have a lot of content, people don't have issues with it being firs person (obviously) and so on

If it fails on steam and the problem is the RT them the industry will have to think bout this trend

 

[winjer]

Then there would be no gameplay.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/doom-dark-ages-will-not-only-use-ray-tracing-for-visuals-but-for-gameplay.1679808/

That doesn't matter for gameplay.
But performance matters a lot more.

 

[MikeM]

Didn't they say they use RT for calculating the damage your projectiles do by accumulating the materials they travel through? I guess if they've programmed kernels in CUDA/OpenCL/Vulkan for this, then it makes sense they'd want "RT capable" GPUs (depending on how they exactly implemented it).

I wonder how heavy it will be. I have my 7900xt so i’m good but wonder how big the gap will be when compared to a 4070ti super. I hope FSR3 will be present.

 

[StereoVsn]

The matter is not if this new Doom would or should not have RT.
It's that it should have the option to turn it off.

I think the issue is they don’t have baked lighting so you can’t turn it off. Basically they save on labor when creating the game.

 

[winjer]

I think the issue is they don’t have baked lighting so you can’t turn it off. Basically they save on labor when creating the game.

Yeah, but then it's performance that suffers.

 

[Trogdor1123]

I don’t understand the big push for ray tracing. It’s nice, sure, but it’s not as nice as others make it out to be

 

[Bojji]

Yeah, but then it's performance that suffers.

Lighting up single room in exodus:

And it looks worse in raster. Performance may be better have you looked how Indiana Jones performs? It's fucking 1800p 60fps on Series X.

Indiana Jones has only gotten 12k in simultaneous players on steam and have been some reports that it didn't sell very, but this can be because of first person debacle

Doom is entirely different beast, it's a traditional gaming ip, have a lot of content, people don't have issues with it being firs person (obviously) and so on

If it fails on steam and the problem is the RT them the industry will have to think bout this trend

Game is on GP so how it can sell well on Steam for full price?

I don’t understand the big push for ray tracing. It’s nice, sure, but it’s not as nice as others make it out to be

RT simulates real life lighting, it's essential for "next gen" looking games.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Huh? AMD GPUs have had ray tracing since 2020.

Not very good Ray tracing and you know this

 

[Wooxsvan]

Sarcasm?
That is the recommended AMD card for 4K in the official requirements.

i understand, im just skeptical its going to run that great considering its Raytracing performance vs Nvidia cards

 

[RoboFu]

rx6600 is a sub $200 card. I think most people will be good.

 

[Bry0]

i understand, im just skeptical its going to run that great considering its Raytracing performance vs Nvidia cards

It will be fine. Look at Indiana jones. The target platform is still ps5.

 

[Gaiff]

That doesn't matter for gameplay.
But performance matters a lot more.

What do you mean it doesn't matter for gameplay? They'll be using it for hit-detection. It's not exactly a matter of just having a rasterized fallback.

Not very good Ray tracing and you know this

Sure, but it doesn't mean the RT will be intensive. Look at Indiana Jones. It requires an RT-capable card but runs on the Series S. Plus, one of the devs said they'd be using it for the gameplay.

 

[Landr300]

Lighting up single room in exodus:

And it looks worse in raster. Performance may be better have you looked how Indiana Jones performs? It's fucking 1800p 60fps on Series X.



Game is on GP so how it can sell well on Steam for full price?



RT simulates real life lighting, it's essential for "next gen" looking games.

Just look at other games in GP, they're doing far better than Indy

 

[acm2000]

i guess this confirms the game is using the RT tech from Indiana Jones, great news

 

[Mister Wolf]

Good. Leave those behind that aren't willing to invest some money into their PC. They can always play on console. Let them get a Series S or cloud gaming if they want to play it.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Lighting up single room in exodus:

And it looks worse in raster. Performance may be better have you looked how Indiana Jones performs? It's fucking 1800p 60fps on Series X.



Game is on GP so how it can sell well on Steam for full price?



RT simulates real life lighting, it's essential for "next gen" looking games.

I get it, truly, I just think it’s not worth the performance cost yet. I suppose they need to start somewhere

 

[Astray]

The moment the current gen consoles shipped with Raytracing support (not sure on the Series S tho), it became clear that raytracing was going to become mandatory.

A lengthy crossgen period meant that a lot of us got to coast along on lesser hardware, but the reckoning has arrived for these devices now.