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It's extremely fast paced. It's fucking DOOM lol. And it's not $80, it's $70.
Doom: The Dark Ages is a flop
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It's extremely fast paced. It's fucking DOOM lol. And it's not $80, it's $70.
geary
Member
So you are not getting enough of Doom if you keep replaying it.
wafflecioccy
Member
Well the premium edition is 100 euros.
I got gifted it from a friend fortunately.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
A flop?
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PauloRoberto
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Kataploom
Gold Member
A flop?
Deserved, it is an amazing game, not always I want to play something day 1, I just installed it to see how will RT work on my PC and got caught off guard by how good it is, then I stayed until completion
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
A flop?
Yes, Mr. Surface Level.
Rankings in the month of May? Seriously? Nothing else came out. You think that alone proves success? How about the fact that it's number 16 in the year-date?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Where is the tweet stating how many million copies have been sold, uh?
Darkness_Arises
Member
It ranks below massive hits like PGA Tour 2K25 and Civ VII in the YTD chart. The NintenXbox fanboys are the most intellectually dishonest posters on this forum.
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Buggy Loop
Gold Member
2 weeks of sales registered, enters #16 all year, makes a fuss.
Expedition 33 with >3M sales not in top 20
Explain that
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calico
Member
Noteworthy that this is only like 1 or 2 days of Nightreign sales I think.
The publisher doesn't provide digital sales data.
2 weeks of sales registered, enters #16 all year, makes a fuss.
oof that list puts the bomba in even better light, don't think that's the gotcha you think you have there lol
they probably killed doom for good now. shame
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Camper182
Member
You and i have different taste for sure. That was probably the most dull part of the game whilst the rest was awesome.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Uh?
GTA, EA sports, Minecraft etc are always hanging in the charts, I hope this is not a revelation to anyone following Circana or any of the shops.
A look at September 2024
Astrobot didn't even register in top 20 for a full month of release with the usual long leg games
Nor in october, november, december...
So to downplay Doom Dark ages entering the top 20 with 2 weeks, not sure its the flex you think it is
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
You're right, didn't know sandfalls refused
Piscatella still has other metrics to roughly size it down
He estimated that it's physical sales ranked it among the top 35 best-sellers in April
tTHANOSs
Member
Astro Bot also released later in the year. Dark Ages will most likely not be in the top 20 for June. They both debuted at number 2. Astro Bot is on one platform where Dark Ages is on three. Astro Bot did just fine. Doom is a long running IP.Astrobot didn't even register in top 20 for a full month of release with the usual long leg games
Nor in october, november, december...
So to downplay Doom Dark ages entering the top 20 with 2 weeks, not sure its the flex you think it is
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
2 weeks of sales registered, enters #16 all year, makes a fuss.
Expedition 33 with >3M sales not in top 20
Explain that
Look at the games around the same spot though. Some of these titles are legit 2 years old. Minecraft is more than 15 years old.
As for E33, as has been said already, they don't provide Circana with revenue data.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
So? They are topping player engagement month to month, like for real, is this a surprise to you that GTA5 is in the top 20? Its almost routine at this point. GTA Online is an absolute behemoth.
Look past months of circana and go back in time, you'll almost always see the same pattern.
By all metrics it didn't set the player engagement nor the physical sales on fire by Piscatella's own words.
Its always difficult for any new releases or single player games to pass juggernauts.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Wait so let's say Clair is 3 million in this time period, but isn't in that top 25 list. That means dark ages had to have sold 5 million plus easy, right?
What doesn't make sense then is that nightreign sold a couple million in its first few days before month close, so then wtf is going on.
I find spruces like this need to stop being given any fucking attention if they aren't going to post god damn numbers.
It also shouldn't be able for these companies to hide sales numbers. Isn't that illegal? How the hell would people looking to invest stock be able to formulate if your company is good at what it does without real metrics?
I get if it's privately held they don't have to do shit but all of this seems so shady nowadays. I'm convinced no one is profitable if they are in the Xbox umbrella.
What doesn't make sense then is that nightreign sold a couple million in its first few days before month close, so then wtf is going on.
I find spruces like this need to stop being given any fucking attention if they aren't going to post god damn numbers.
It also shouldn't be able for these companies to hide sales numbers. Isn't that illegal? How the hell would people looking to invest stock be able to formulate if your company is good at what it does without real metrics?
I get if it's privately held they don't have to do shit but all of this seems so shady nowadays. I'm convinced no one is profitable if they are in the Xbox umbrella.
Stratostar
Member
Another reason why Steam CCU threads are a joke and attract the lower-IQ population of GAF like flies to shit.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Only a low-IQ person would say this.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
E33 already had their tweet of copies sold.
As far as I know, Circana tracks revenue. DA is more expensive.
This only underscores how big of a flop DA really is.
Elden Ring and From Software's reputation.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Come On Tars
Member
I really want this to succeed. ID put out a banger that took risks. They deserve it
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amigastar
Member
I have over 46 hours in the game. I know that i've enjoyed it very much and its on par with 2016 and Eternal to me just different.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Had a blast with the game, probably the best playing game of the new Doom Trilogy IMO.
Eternal is 'faster' but it's also more frantic with lots of platforming. This feels a lot more grounded, closer to 2016 than Eternal.
calico
Member
It's not particularly difficult for known games at launch to temporarily outsell those old but consistently performing 'juggernauts'. How difficult it is to launch into the YTD chart ahead of them will depend how late in the year the launch is.
calico
Member
Clair's digital sales aren't being provided, which I would guess account for the vast majority of its sales.
vaibhavpisal
Member
These are revenue based charts right?
Am thinking a lot of people playing Doom on gamepass are buying other stuff, that gets counted here.
I know I wanted to support the game so I purchased premium upgrade.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Jesus, now a number 2 title in the charts is still being argued its a flop just becuase of its publisher.
You guys need to chill. Absolutely losing it over this is stuff.
You guys need to chill. Absolutely losing it over this is stuff.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Glad to see that it actually did pretty well despite all the doom and gloom in this thread. Fantastic game, pick it up if you're remotely interested in shooting and smashing demons into red mist!
Insanemaelstrom
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Yah they have been milking the same character designs for 3 games now with only small cosmetic changes. I like the olcharacter designs for 2016 and 2019 but 2025 its getting long in the tooth. Create more "new" creatures from the abyss already.
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
It's 80€, which - thanks to USD becoming a 3rd world currency in real-time - is now what, $100?
But while usually they just use the USD price and slap € on it for Euro zone, for this game the Euro version is more expensive - that's already weird af, but even more backwards considering currency values.
Anyway, that's where the misconception partly comes from: it is 80€ and usually you can just say then it is 80 in $ as well.
And while the price point is high either way, I think the issue here is more complex than only the cost, with lots of factors playing into this rather mediocre success (wouldn't call it a flop though).
Doom Eternal was generally very well received, but it also lost people who enjoyed 2016 and the classic Dooms more. That part of the audience is now mostly gone so won't even look at this game anymore, they lost their hype for the franchise.
At the same time, TDA is not like Eternal, so lots of people don't want it for THAT reason.
Plus, lots of other titles have popped up in the meantime, taking more than just a few pages from the book of modern Doom gameplay. Lower-production value games, sure, but satisfying a market anyway to a degree.
There are so many FPS out there right now of such variety, I'm not surprised at all a new Doom doesn't make the same waves anymore.
Additionally, TDA is a prequel. Prequels rarely do as well (or better) than continuations of a story. And 2016 & Eternal were a lot more story driven, so they might have made a very wrong choice in going back in time chronologically.
I also wouldn't discount fatigue at this point.
Same character, same enemies ... while all got a bit of an overhaul and fresh coat of paint, I cannot imagine a lot of people being lured by "next version of pain elemental".
And finally, it seems there is no way around the fact that TDA, while still a very good game on its own, doesn't seem to be as great as Eternal was. Any game would have a hard time following up Eternal, but one that isn't as refined in every aspect and even has some really awkward stuff in it (like some of the level design and the gimmick mecha & dragon stuff) ? Tough sell.
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Problem with this, Suicide Squad was in development hell, for years! multiple reboots and it was a HUGE gaas game. You cant compare the two. There is no way it hit any of its milestones.
Doom is a single player game from one of the best studios in the industry. I do not think it is fair to compare the two on what are their targets and required sales numbers to be successful.
Baemono
Gold Member
Eh do people really play Doom for the story ? (I do, but I don't think most people do)
Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
The only gloom was from the usual suspects, it's a great FPS and was a blast to play.
Doom enters 16th spot within two weeks of launch, and being available on Gamepass and it's an utter failure apparently. Sonys only developed exclusive Astro never charts, never hits top 20, that's fine but.
Dibils2k
Member
believe me, the no physical copies had nothing to do with it lol
geary
Member
A flop?
So, Nightreign is a flop… /s
Baemono
Gold Member
I am not saying the game is a flop, far from that, but you need to consider that with the preorders, most games' sales are very frontloaded, and do most of their sales on day one. Like Tears of the Kingdom doing like 10+ million on launch day and is still below 20 million if I recall correctly after 2 years.
So saying "only two weeks" doesn't really matter here. It charted what it did after weeks of preorders.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Its already profitable most likely.
Cut scenes don't have motion capture etc.
All they have are engine programmers and gameplay designers.
I don't imagine it would've costed over 100 million.
it'll be out of that top20 list by years end with couple more high profile releases. will not climb higher with more weeks lol.
probably already at around 18 after mario kart.
not really sure if you guys don't really know anything or trying to act willfully obtuse.
this is a multiplatform release for a household franchise. i really don't understand how someone can look at this and see success.
i guess this thread at least establishes shadows as a mega hit in comparison, you know a game, we had multiple "flop" threads for.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Well I'm late to the party on this one as I will use myself as an anecdotal case. Of course we're all busy and some of us have kids but I installed the game via game pass on day one and haven't even booted it up. Just cuz it's on Game pass OR perceived to be free or whatever how you want to use that term, doesn't mean shit. So yeah, I may or may not have ever bought this game but just because it's on Game pass doesn't assure a damn thing
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
You make an interesting point. Do we have data on where Astro bot ended up in the yearly charts last year?
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
Most? No. I doubt it, anyway.
But I listed a bunch of factors, that's one of them.