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DOTA 2 BETA 2 |OT10| Reborn
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excuse me?
but look at all the compendiums in his inventory
A Sentient Keyboard
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2100 hours, 700 games, get on my level:
I'd like to try night stalker, tiny and bloodseeker sometime, and maybe some of the relaxing farming heroes like spectre, naga and alchemist. Don't have much interest in the other heroes here though, aside from knocking them off my all hero challenge.
I'd like to try night stalker, tiny and bloodseeker sometime, and maybe some of the relaxing farming heroes like spectre, naga and alchemist. Don't have much interest in the other heroes here though, aside from knocking them off my all hero challenge.
Gentle Rodriguez
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Another Tusk
2100 hours, 700 games, get on my level:
I'd like to try night stalker, tiny and bloodseeker sometime, and maybe some of the relaxing farming heroes like spectre, naga and alchemist. Don't have much interest in the other heroes here though, aside from knocking them off my all hero challenge.
no ta
no qop
A Sentient Keyboard
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Ignore everyone, close teamspeak, zone out, hit creeps.
TA is one of the heroes I just can't wrap my head around after 100s of bot games. QoP is meh, but she's on my 10 hero challenge so I'll play her soon.
call_kotaku
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I play almost exclusively All Random/Random Draft/Single Draft but there's still like 8 heroes I haven't touched in matches (I've played ever hero once in bot games) even after almost 1000 games
There's just that many heroes in the game. I feel like I need to psyche myself up to be like "this is the game where I learn invoker/chen/lone druid" so I just get lazy and reroll them if they come up.
EDIT: Wow according to dotabuff I haven't played a match in over 3 months. I guess 6.83 was literally cancer even though I didn't consciously quit
There's just that many heroes in the game. I feel like I need to psyche myself up to be like "this is the game where I learn invoker/chen/lone druid" so I just get lazy and reroll them if they come up.
EDIT: Wow according to dotabuff I haven't played a match in over 3 months. I guess 6.83 was literally cancer even though I didn't consciously quit
watch waga guides
Tusk + Techies will kill any hero level 2. And the best part is that you can just keep doing it.
Supermanisdead
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shutup noob
I dont understand player logic sometimes.
I just had a game where a naga farm radiance at around 20 but when there is a team fight at base. He doesn't do anything and keeps farming. Proceed to buy midas and keeps farming..Enemy pushes base and still farms.
Some games are really unwinnable.
I just had a game where a naga farm radiance at around 20 but when there is a team fight at base. He doesn't do anything and keeps farming. Proceed to buy midas and keeps farming..Enemy pushes base and still farms.
Some games are really unwinnable.
Gentle Rodriguez
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I'm sorry what
Just played a game as Spectre and tried a build other than "Get a Radiance ASAP"
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1522440571
Honestly, Spectre has always been a strange hero. Seemingly a very abstract concept in general of how the hero is played. I mean, when I first looked at the hero when I started playing, I was like "This hero's ult seems kind of cool, but otherwise seems kind of useless early game." Now granted I understood how the hero was considered a carry, but actually using the hero effectively is a whole different beast. I'm starting to understand it a bit better now.
If I had to come up with a name of the type of carry Spectre is, I would call her an "Existence Carry", as the idea is to carry basically by existing. Early game is usually pretty rough unless you are somehow snowballing, however once again, the idea here is to build stuff here to SURVIVE. I always crapped on Vanguard as an item in general (especially before Crimson Guard was a thing), but honestly, I underrated it on Spectre. It effectively can be a farming item as basically it allows her to either survive what's coming at her, or tank jungle camps. Yeah, it doesn't offer much in the way of aggression, but that's not what Spectre does.
One thing that is straightforward about the hero is that pretty much her entire strategy is to just farm farm farm, and Haunt in on teamfights. The items you want are either tankiness or stuff that benefits Illusions (Diffusla, Butterfly, etc.).
Honestly this hero has always been an abstract thing to me, and I understand her a lot better now, although there are still some aspects that are a bit weird.
One thing that still puzzles me: When do you actually decide it's worth buying Radiance on her, and when do you buy it if so? Do you get it just immediately? (Brown Boots into Radiance) or get maybe Vanguard first?
Hero's a little weird, but I have a newfound reSPECT for her.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1522440571
Honestly, Spectre has always been a strange hero. Seemingly a very abstract concept in general of how the hero is played. I mean, when I first looked at the hero when I started playing, I was like "This hero's ult seems kind of cool, but otherwise seems kind of useless early game." Now granted I understood how the hero was considered a carry, but actually using the hero effectively is a whole different beast. I'm starting to understand it a bit better now.
If I had to come up with a name of the type of carry Spectre is, I would call her an "Existence Carry", as the idea is to carry basically by existing. Early game is usually pretty rough unless you are somehow snowballing, however once again, the idea here is to build stuff here to SURVIVE. I always crapped on Vanguard as an item in general (especially before Crimson Guard was a thing), but honestly, I underrated it on Spectre. It effectively can be a farming item as basically it allows her to either survive what's coming at her, or tank jungle camps. Yeah, it doesn't offer much in the way of aggression, but that's not what Spectre does.
One thing that is straightforward about the hero is that pretty much her entire strategy is to just farm farm farm, and Haunt in on teamfights. The items you want are either tankiness or stuff that benefits Illusions (Diffusla, Butterfly, etc.).
Honestly this hero has always been an abstract thing to me, and I understand her a lot better now, although there are still some aspects that are a bit weird.
One thing that still puzzles me: When do you actually decide it's worth buying Radiance on her, and when do you buy it if so? Do you get it just immediately? (Brown Boots into Radiance) or get maybe Vanguard first?
Hero's a little weird, but I have a newfound reSPECT for her.
Spectre is the one hero where it doesnt matter
You can even go boots - urn - vanguard - manta/heart - radi if you want
She has such insane team fight presence that you should never not get it
Gentle Rodriguez
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Pretty sure you always want Radiance on her, she's one of the heroes on which it's always good. I really don't like seeing mid-game items like Blademail/Vanguard/etc on her though, it just either delays her radiance or your end game items. Manta is also super good on her for obvious reasons.
shira
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In that game, people were saying "It's too late, just get diffusal", so I did. I always feel uncomfortable about buying Radiance even if it ends up past 30 minutes. I also made a decision for the blademail mainly for the Huskar, as Pure damage would absolutely fuck him. I wouldn't buy blademail most games on her but I think that one warranted it.
SecretMoblin
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get into PMS -> RoH -> Diffusal or Radiance
use RoH to build a refresher later
screw vanguard
use RoH to build a refresher later
screw vanguard
I have done Radiance Refresher before (it was a few years ago). Very strong, but also expensive.
shira
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Deleted member 77995
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solo q ranked makes me nervous
for no reason at all
but it does
for no reason at all
but it does
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Deleted member 77995
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its literally only the hero select that does it to me, even though I exclusively random in ranked.
once I'm in game, I'm the chillest cat on the block
manfestival
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thank you fellas for the gifts
But then you hit like a wet towel.
I would think with Spectre HP = damage in some cases.
call_kotaku
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I get mad when the game rewards my bad play
In general yes, however you have to consider early game skirmishes. If you have more HP, you have longer to get to the point where you have to go "Okay time to go or I'm dead". This means more Desolate procs potentially, more Dispersion damage (although it won't be too much early on), and more. Plus if you have to go off and farm jungle, you can and not have to sacrifice your health because of it. Plus if you haunt into early teamfights, it takes longer for your opponents to just kill your illusions, giving you either more time to jump in on them, or have the illusions deal more damage.
Ok dropbox is working, here is the final version
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eo2zavzun90npwa/Hero Difficulty Guide.pdf?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eo2zavzun90npwa/Hero Difficulty Guide.pdf?dl=0
It does the same thing for me and I don't know why.
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