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lane equilibrium is pretty important too, its not like you cant have both
I would think it is a difficult thing to do, because that requires you to be out of lane for so long. You had over to stack at 40-ish, stack it, pull at the next 13-15, pull through if necessary, all while trying to get the XP and last hits out of the pull. This leaves your carry alone in lane, possibly getting bullied by the offlaner.
Monochromaticx
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Thats why you use the quick message >pulling creeps so he backs a bit. While you are pulling the enemy creeps will be close/under tower so he can farm it safely.
Thanks! I ended up watching the russian vod since its not a 8 hours long vod (redbulll pls)
pardon me friend but how do u stack at 40
Very. Stacking and pulling denies your enemy an entire lane of creeps while moving lane equilibrium closer to your tower. Pulling your creeps through multiple camps to get yourself exp is useful too. Most important of all is knowing when to do both of the above, since it does open your carry to potential danger, and possibly excess tower damage.
When you're in lane you can also try to manipulate the enemy creep aggro to help deny your ranged creep too.
Heavy's Sandvich
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O look, it's lets cyberbully Hylian hour again.
If your creeps are at their tower or if your carry needs to last hit under tower because you are two vs a trilane then pull
Otherwise stack the jungle, gank mid/offlane, harass the enemy carry etc
If your carry is getting bullied by a solo offlaner who should have WAY less farm then your carry is shit and you should go steal his farm
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Right, I've generally always followed that pull logic.
One thing I have trouble with is zoning the offlaner though. Usually people just say "positioning" but that always seems ambiguous to me. I always feel like when I play offlane, and a support knows how to zone me, they can almost always win out on the hit trade, and when the roles are reversed, my opponent still seems to win out on hit trade. What am I doing wrong here
I wasn't going to say it, but now that the cat's out of the bag... Yeah... I think so too.
So he is someone's alt then?
AFAIK this is his first GAF account. He is a friend of 109.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Hylian report him, it might be boken again.
I guess I will believe you. Just seems odd he had less than 15 posts, all in the Dota thread, and all acting like he was acquainted with the place.
Don't aggro the creeps. You may want to try to start attacking him coming from your jungle and push him away from the creep wave and towards his tower. After that position yourself between the fighting creeps and him, and go into hiding at ~:15 and ~:45 when the new creep wave reaches the lane. Repeat.
If done correctly you can keep him at level 1 for 4 to 7 minutes, depending on runes and other factors.
You can even stack the big camp between harass sessions.
When you are supporting a carry vs a solo offlane you can super easily zone them away from the creeps
Especially with a hero like Lion
Get level 2 so you have Mana Drain and Stun
Auto them a few times, stun, suck, attack some more
You can play aggressively because if they go on you your carry can come in and lay down some DPS
Dreams-Visions
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Why do these back and forths have to consume the entire fucking thread?
Ya'll can't just link Hylian some fucking videos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ30wD4Mnm4
go watch, Hylian. The whole thing. Learn some shit. As should everyone looking to have a better understanding of how to support a carry in a lane.
Ya'll can't just link Hylian some fucking videos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ30wD4Mnm4
go watch, Hylian. The whole thing. Learn some shit. As should everyone looking to have a better understanding of how to support a carry in a lane.
Monochromaticx
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Better yet just watch some pro player perspectives in game and skip all these chain of questions. Literally answers like 99% of your questions.
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Now lets talk about how hype The Summit 3 will be with VG IG EG AND TS!
It's on my watch later list. What's the beef with talking Dota advice in the Dota thread though? I mean it isn't something like complaining about teammates.
Dreams-Visions
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No, it doesn't. Watching pro matches affords you the opportunity to see what people are doing, but it is often devoid of *why* they're doing it. The why is important and cannot always be inferred. It's better than nothing, but a decent video explaining why is worth more than 100 pro replays.
Do recommend the video linked. It offers a helluva lot of why and answers a lot of fundamental questions support players may/should have.
Monochromaticx
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You have been asking for advice for 2 pages now. Thats too much.
And most of it is answered by checking other dota sources like what dreams posted or by simply playing a little more and figuring stuff out on your own.
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"The way you make it sound is like focus should be more on zoning and killing than pulling."
There are so many factors to consider. These are general rules:
Dual lane against solo offlaner: zone out the offlaner so he gets no xp and your carry gets xp advantage
Dual lane against dual lane: stay in lane and zone as much as possible, unless your hero matchup doesn't let you do this. then pull
Dual lane against trilane: stay behind your carry and prepare to save him, only attempt to take pot shots at the enemy through fog or when they're occupied with something else
Trilane against solo offlaner: one support zones, the other pulls unless you can set up a kill
Trilane against dual lane: prioritize killing the enemy over and over with number advantage
Trilane against trilane: depends entirely on hero matchup
"The way you make it sound is like focus should be more on zoning and killing than pulling."
There are so many factors to consider. These are general rules:
Dual lane against solo offlaner: zone out the offlaner so he gets no xp and your carry gets xp advantage
Dual lane against dual lane: stay in lane and zone as much as possible, unless your hero matchup doesn't let you do this. then pull
Dual lane against trilane: stay behind your carry and prepare to save him, only attempt to take pot shots at the enemy through fog or when they're occupied with something else
Trilane against solo offlaner: one support zones, the other pulls unless you can set up a kill
Trilane against dual lane: prioritize killing the enemy over and over with number advantage
Trilane against trilane: depends entirely on hero matchup
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A Sentient Keyboard
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