-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
DOTA 2 BETA 2 |OT10| Reborn
- Thread starter SteveWinwood
- Start date
- Status
Renoir
Member
Saving this channel. I'm going to need all the help I can get when I get back in the game.
rhophiehalul78
Member
I was considering him but something didn't feel right about it.
I think his problem is that he is a static hero in the age of mobility. He's also a snowball hero that it's too hard to snowball with.
Sigismundo
Member
Since we're talking about offlaning I am not very good at that, either. I'm not used to trying to soak exp/contest pulls vs a dual/tri-lane (although most of the time it's duo vs duo)
109 can u teach me too ??
p.s. i never pull tbh it's not worth anymore unless they've got a bad off and u got a strong trilane, in any other situation they get the xp anyway and u end up underleveled. Better to zone (pick shit like Sky, WD, Sile etc...) or roam (sky, pudge, ogre, venge, cm) or jungle (CM etc...).
p.s. i never pull tbh it's not worth anymore unless they've got a bad off and u got a strong trilane, in any other situation they get the xp anyway and u end up underleveled. Better to zone (pick shit like Sky, WD, Sile etc...) or roam (sky, pudge, ogre, venge, cm) or jungle (CM etc...).
SecretMoblin
Member
I don't pull if the lane farmer is just autoattacking creeps anyway (which happens often).
I'd rather roam around and stack camps or get a kill in another lane, honestly.
I'd rather roam around and stack camps or get a kill in another lane, honestly.
buy icon S's newest single on iTunes
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
The few times my carry has done this telling him to just last hit got him to stop auto attacking, so try that out. If they don't, steal their farm, most of the time they are too oblivious to even know that you're stealing farm.
Sigismundo
Member
I agree, I wonder if maybe Blink Dagger is an underrated item on him? I never build it, but he's so easy to kite if astral is out of range.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
For as much as I used to tell people what to do, I never got this. They usually listen even though I was probably not doing well myself, maybe it's because they're not confident in their skill(because potato tier) and will take any advice they can get.
Most definitely an option, but if kiting is the issue Atos and/or Force usually do the job, Atos has huge range.
Edit: read sigs post wrong
is that how all pokeyman cards look nowadays because ewww
Sigismundo
Member
Nah. That one just has special art (mostly legendaries/Mega Evolutions have that)
Hmm true. I do usually build Atos but I'm generally poor at remembering to use items a lot of the time. The thing with OD is that I feel bad not building any items that don't give me +mana or int, which I feel really reduces the number of items that I build.
My opinion is that blink is good on every hero, except QoP and AM, so he's no exception but you don't really want to rush it as a 1st, 2nd or even 3rd item.
He's all about intelligence. You need big int gap in order to do massive damage with your ult and you also want a big mana pool in order to maximize your orb damage. I think Force as #1 item is still the best option followed by either Atos, Aghs or Sheep.
I'd like to see astral get a little residual damage (10 for instance) just so it would disable the target's blink dagger. It would be a massive buff for OD.
The problem I guess is that it's not really an item you want to build if you're behind (since it doesn't give you +int) but if you're not behind then you probably aren't having trouble being kited?
Octarine Core isn't that good on him either imo, I thought it would be amazing but his attack speed is too low to make the lifesteal from his orb worthwhile. The reduced cooldown is obviously nice though.
I thought this might be OD's patch but I'm not so sure, there's lots of int heroes running around which is great in lane but it makes his ult hit much less hard.
Octarine Core isn't that good on him either imo, I thought it would be amazing but his attack speed is too low to make the lifesteal from his orb worthwhile. The reduced cooldown is obviously nice though.
I thought this might be OD's patch but I'm not so sure, there's lots of int heroes running around which is great in lane but it makes his ult hit much less hard.
I was talking about storm obv
storm spirit seems like the kind of person to listen to electroswing.......NO thanku
SecretMoblin
Member
blink void >>>>>
He's in a weird spot. You don't really want him safelaning instead of another "real" carry. He can mid but he feels too lackluster atm. He can't offlane at all.
I thought about trying him as a #4 sometime ago. Astral can be used to set-up other stuns and is useful as an harassing tool against an offlaner (no mana for you!). He's also a good mek carrier so building Greaves on him wouldn't be a waste. He's naturally fast (315 if I'm not mistaken) so he could work in a roaming duo. The passive is also a great team ability. It can be a totally stupid idea but I might try going #4 with GG, Force and Atos one day.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
In the 5 grand final games in Red Bull Battlegrounds, 27 different heroes were picked. I actually don't know if that's more compared to BO5's in other patches but I think it's an impressive amount of variety.
Most picked heroes were Dazzle, Dark Seer, Visage and Shadow Fiend, each with 3 picks. Out of those heroes Dazzle had a 100% winrate.
What I found odd was that Lina got completely ignored,but I guess neither team really plays Lina mid.
Most picked heroes were Dazzle, Dark Seer, Visage and Shadow Fiend, each with 3 picks. Out of those heroes Dazzle had a 100% winrate.
What I found odd was that Lina got completely ignored,but I guess neither team really plays Lina mid.
Greaves are only giving you a self purge though, because his aura means mana is not a concern. That seems like a lot of money just for that, idk.
OD is a really strong 1v1 hero and he needs levels, why would you safelane him?
When I first imagined it GG didn't exist so my original idea was only Mek, which is perfectly fine. GG is just a natural evolution. You can get them only after your main items.
My original idea was: Brown Boots, Mek, Force, Atos
I said safelaning him is wasteful.
Sadly being strong 1v1 and having a strong laning presence isn't enough. His team fight contribution if he's in equal or lower footing as the enemy's mid/carry is mediocre (besides dropping the ult bomb, which can lead to nothing).
i'm not a good OD player, not even close to it, but even pickoffs seem hard with him. More often than not I need help from a second player to kill a simple support.
That's ~3300 gold just for a self purge though...surely there's some 3200 gold utility item you'd rather have...
I usually find that you don't want to be the initiator in a fight, but that if you get initiated on (and not killed) and can Astral yourself, it gives time for your team to turn up, then you can drop the hammer and clear them up with your orb.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Yeah I don't think the hero is OP, Secret has been good with that hero for a long time.
Might as well get Euls in this case
Cheaper and gives you way more utility + INT for damage
Glass Shark
Banned
People pile on Hylian for being bad at the game
and I'm just sitting here at 1.7k
This is why I will never post links to my Dotabuff, I can't handle real talk about how much I suck
and I'm just sitting here at 1.7k
This is why I will never post links to my Dotabuff, I can't handle real talk about how much I suck
i suck too but i don't let it get in the way of having iconic opinions
random lc into maapo + troll no repickerino, 33 min blink vlads 2 duel stacks, enemy keeps throwing like idiots before taking rax but team is too fucking dumb to ever respect numbers and takes 3v5, 4v5+aegis fights all day until they can finally throne in one go
gyro respawning in 30 sec they're dealing 1 damage per minute to rax wait for him????? no gotta blast all our ults on maapo not even get aegis and die wp wp
gyro respawning in 30 sec they're dealing 1 damage per minute to rax wait for him????? no gotta blast all our ults on maapo not even get aegis and die wp wp
MrChocolate
Member
Jesus christ, Three Hundred Damage Points? And you discard 2 energy cards? Are you fucking kidding me? What the fuck WotC?
Monochromaticx
Member
It's a nice idea. The +int isn't really the issue since I'm not building him for damage (Sanity's Eclipse), it's an idea more geared towards utility. I'm currently torn between GG, Eul's and Glimer Cape. Maybe someday when I get the courage and opportunity to try it I'll find an answer.
What I meant was that his team fighting abilities aren't that impressive, especially when compared with other top picks mids like QoP, Storm, BM, etc..
Hmm. I think in the right situation his team fight abilities are absolutely devastating. People always say that he ruins int mids but if you pick him into a strength or low int hero heavy lineup your ult will fry them; lategame you can easily oneshot a carry like Ursa if you get ahead.
They will come in 7 hours or so
Pureauthor
Member
valve
hats
where
give
hats
where
give
- Status