ScepticMatt
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I think they smoke cigarettes/get something to eat,drink/go to the toilet and forget that they had a match queued up.
Dota 2 Beta Thread 2: Real Talk Discouraged [Magnus, Teams, 6.75b, 150+ Shop Items]
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PillowKnight
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He's a strong hero, if you learn how to play him you'll definitely be an asset to your team.
Also secret best item on him:force staff.
Real talk : don't believe phandy's lies. Real real talk if you're farming with clock you're doing it wrong, gotta gank.
Oh shit, this reminds me of something that happened to me earlier.
I was in a queue and it had been something like ten minutes, so I go and check the game to see how long the queues been going, and suddenly I see that i'm in a game and we're 5 min in. Also the caster purge was on my team, he was pretty cool about it.
it´s just the fact that most of the times i have to wait 3mins + and the one time i go to grab a drink the queue pops in 20 seconds or something.
Phandy complaining about something being different from HoN, what a surprise.
I think he's more fun/cool - but I'm convinced his recommended items are wrong.
THAT is real talk! And force staff you say?
Wow, you must have only heard half of my rants, I'll try harder to balance it out on mumble for you. There's a shit tonne of stuff I hate about HoN. Heroes being the main thing. Pharoah is one of the few heroes I think is better in HoN. (Using the space for shoutouts to Gauntlet <3<3<3 BFFsForever)
I always got the feeling that Clockwerk has to vary his items a lot depending who hes playing against. Like vanguard vs hood/pipe. Or deciding if you need blademail. I'm not sure what situations would dictate Aghanims or Radiance. Heart always seems like a good end-game item for him.
I meant farm, as in, having good gpm. Ofc thats from ganking.
Haha, do you know if this made it into one of his youtube videos?
A number of these stats are pretty surprising. I can't believe that Pudge isn't higher, considering how much of a pubstomper he is (at least in low levels). And low level play must have some weight considering Jakiro is in eleventh place. Unless I've been playing him wrong. It's interesting see the heroes that are most played, which looks like it's heavily influenced by the professional scene, but that the heroes with the best statistics aren't what you'd expect from that.
Aw, but you were our jiving turkey.
I'd laugh if he just bad mouthed him for the first 4 minutes. ;D
You should tell us all how Mek is a bad item.
PillowKnight
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Probably not, this happened yesterday.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Hm, will give that a shot next time I play him.
Only do it if you are getting a real nice income from farm. The thing with me is that it takes me 10 minutes to farm boots, bottle, and Dagon. Should try to aim for the same or close, or your team will start wondering where the hell their ganker is at
Mr. Luchador
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Tried a game as OmniKnight. He read good on paper, but didn't like it. Couldn't touch anyone and the guy I was supporting couldn't touch them either. Came up against a Sniper and a Bear.
I said I don't like it, not that it was a bad item. I personally find it unduly expensive and acquired too slowly.
If you wanted it, your hero was perfect for the job, why didn't you get it? I would rather the Agh's for the ridiculously strong ulti than the mek which you could have covered.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Only do it if you are getting a real nice income from farm. The thing with me is that it takes me 10 minutes to farm boots, bottle, and Dagon. Should try to aim for the same or close, or your team will start wondering where the hell their ganker is at
Did it. And yeah, I followed the farm you mentioned in your post. I like it (I built up to 5 because I had the gold). Fun to use... especially when they run. My team wasn't too fond of me building it, but I didn't care, we were winning and I had some room for error D:
Considering I was constantly buying wards/dust, while you could easily have farmed it as Pugna.
Don't buy a Dagon on BH, you'll do more damage with a Deso.
Hahaha yeah. Level 5 dagon is pretty fun. I think I might only get it on BH when I'm messing around since he gets so much money.
Edit: So continuing with my stupid dagon build, I got an interesting opponent.
Match was going great and all of us were having fun. Only a few 'Um can you call ss please?' but that's it. I forgot how long into the match it was, but I was finally roaming around a bit since I felt comfortable for ganks. Used my dagon the second I could so I was getting so many kills. Then out of nowhere Sven tells me "Korean being a Korean."
I was laughing it off and though he was joking. Apparently I bothered him so much he tried to target me the rest of the match haha.
Here's the results of our match.
He's a great character, but falls off later on unless you build momentum. He works best in games where the laning phase continues longer than usual, because once teams start grouping up it gets a lot more dangerous for clock to hook in. He's great for isolating single targets (a full battery assault at max level deals 1125 damage if focused on a single target), and with aghanims he is a ridiculously strong chaser able to jump 3000 distance every 15 seconds. (Which pretty much coincides with all of his other cooldowns, so he can hold people for a while after he jumps to give teammates time to catch up.)
He is highly momentum based though, if he has a bad start then he doesn't really have the farming skills to catch up nor the scaling to win late game without an advantage. If you don't get a good start, clockwerk's job late game becomes just latching onto a hero and dying after blowing all your spells (and hopefully the enemy blowing their spells on you, which is why blademail can be decent), and then your team jumping in on the chaos.
As to your problems:
You're supposed to murder everybody before armor really becomes an issue. (And honestly his almost 2 base armor isn't bad at all compared to some characters.)
Cogs are expensive and not really a killing spell, but a trapping one. Should have one level in it when ganks start but flares and battery assault should be maxed first. Generally you should rely on allied stuns to keep people there, cogs are more to keep other targets out.
Also count me on the anti-pharoah side of the HON-Dota spectrum. The cogs, battery, and ult all seem far more effective to me in dota than they were in hon, and the ult is easy to hit unless you are dumb and don't pay attention to creeps.
I usually go for Bottle/Drum/Phase/Aghanims/Heart and usually around the time the reaver is out the game is over.
Singsing is a cool dude and all that, but Kuroky is the best player in that game (and like top 5 overall).
sorijealut
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I decided to drop Dota2 maybe until release.
Too time consuming for just a beta game.
Also, I felt like I was becoming worse in macro/micro. Starting SC2 again...
Too time consuming for just a beta game.
Also, I felt like I was becoming worse in macro/micro. Starting SC2 again...
Not even sure what this means.
sorijealut
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Me neither, me neither...
Since you might have missed this n0b.
I don't think the game leaving beta will change this. Maybe more accessible, sure.
tsunami643
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Flare at 1 for easy rune scouting, jungle exploring and harass, Battery at 2 for damage, Cog at 3 for ganks and escapes. Max flare or battery. I take max battery first if i'm mid and flare first if I'm in a side lane. You can put more levels into cog if you want, but I usually skip it for stats (I do the same with Prophet's Sprout, so it depends on your playstyle). Get a bottle, phase boots, magic wand, vanguard, cloak (situational) and then Agh and then try to end fast. Once everyone starts getting BKB you're going to be largely useless because all your damage is magical and his auto attack is nearly as slow as Tiny.
Now is as good a time as any to toot my horn for one of my personal best Clockwerk matches: 10109728
Hey, I was wondering if anybody has 'this item build link.'
It changes the default recommended item builds and I thought it was pretty good but I forgot to back up my Dota 2 stuff when I got my new SSD.
I also tried to download Enigma's item changer but his download link isn't working. It seems the original poster is banned so I can't pm him so YEAH <3.
Edit: It seems like Enigma's item changer download link works now.
It changes the default recommended item builds and I thought it was pretty good but I forgot to back up my Dota 2 stuff when I got my new SSD.
I also tried to download Enigma's item changer but his download link isn't working. It seems the original poster is banned so I can't pm him so YEAH <3.
Edit: It seems like Enigma's item changer download link works now.
I'll take a look to see if I still have it, but I'm not sure if Swag's made any changes since then. Also, you can edit item guides/builds in game, which I'd recommend for newer players to do over this anyhow, as it allows you to familiarize yourself with the shop (and its workings) a little more.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
After consecutive wins I have determined that support veno + ward build going arcane boots into mjollnir is ideal.
I don't see the big deal. Only 2 scoreboards are posted on this page and a discussion concerning stats on the previous.
Oh sorry, it might be possibly just because you only have characters in one category each, so disagreements are on priority. I also kind of think the best divisions are more along the lines of farm/level dependency, but it may be harder to explain to newer players like that.
I'd promote Leshrac up to carries, he's just too strong with farm to not be considered one. (pushing/aoe)
I think move sniper to pushing carries, he just can't hold up to any of the other pure carries, and his pushing abilities really shouldn't be ignored.
Necrolyte to tanky carry, his aoe is too much of a slow burn, his job is to never die and prevent his team from dying.
Tinker up to a pushing carry.
Spiritbreaker to ganking carry (maybe).
Move Lion to aggressive support, he is rarely played as a solo ganker, and when he roams he gives kill priority to other gankers and carries just like a WD/CM/VS/Veno etc.
Lich to defensive support, he is there to hold back lanes and punish aggression for the most part.
I'd move AA and SD(maybe) to the pure gankers category, because of how important levels are on them.
Jakiro to pushers, he is rarely played and when he is it is always for his power in push strategies, both for taking towers effectively and for destroying creep waves.
Thats it, I'm not playing. We're done.
too much scoreboards for this thread, it's better to bitch about Drkirby posts.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
I can confirm this build, just went 9/1/13. Clearly the correct way to play Support Veno.
Procarbine
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EDIT: NM no one around.
Dumb question but will the lightning proc his passive?
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