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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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Ardvent

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Des0lar said:
Fucking weekends in Dota. This fucking shit makes me so angry, I can't comprehend.

People with more than 300 wins, abso-fucking-lutely having no clue and ruining the game for others. Holy shit.

First this happens:
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The Brewmaster game i even lost, AFTER I went 12 / 1 and ONE OF THE ENEMY TEAM FED DELIBERATLY. I mean we played 5vs4 and one of their teammates fed us kills on purpose AND WE STILL LOST. WTF.

And then the last game, finally a good game with brood, I feel confident, get lots of kills

AND THEN THIS FUCKING SK ON OUR TEAM
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Yes I need to vent
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Losing streaks like that are the absolute worst! I ran into one and I had to stop playing for awhile. This last week i've played some "organized dota" letting my friends know what times I want to try and queue. We've gotten four guys each time (varied lineups) but the results have been fantastic. I've been playing some of the best Dota I have ever been too!

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Des0lar

will learn eventually
The thing is, I basically never solo queue. Really seldom. So I always have at least 1 or 2 people i can communicate with.
 
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VanillaCakeIsBurning

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I need to play Dota 2 more. I've played almost all the champions in League and I can do pretty well with most but in Dota2 I've probably played about 10 heroes max.

2-3 of those I can play decently at. There's so much more to learn in Dota, sometimes I don't even start up the game because I know I'll probably get curb stomped if I try a new hero out.
 
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Ardvent

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VanillaCakeIsBurning said:
I need to play Dota 2 more. I've played almost all the champions in League and I can do pretty well with most but in Dota2 I've probably played about 10 heroes max.

2-3 of those I can play decently at. There's so much more to learn in Dota, sometimes I don't even start up the game because I know I'll probably get curb stomped if I try a new hero out.
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I suggest a great way to get some experience under your belt is Co-op vs Bots on Easy difficulty. They are generally more casual games where you can try out a hero and decide if you would like to try them in a real game. Co-op games still award BP and items so there's no downside.
 
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Zia

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I just won an hour-long game as Sniper with two disconnects and a Jakiro that would not commit to team fights. The other team had a level 25 Queen of Pain and Phantom Assassin, with everyone else being at least level 20. My team had another level 25 in Lycan while the Jakiro was something like 18 and the other two people had obviously disconnected. I had nearly 30 kills (next best was Lycan at 8) and, after a wipe, our creeps destroyed the ancient while they had about 3 seconds left on ours. I am still in my early days but it was so fucking magical.
 
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Gxgear

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Hylian7 said:
But when is it actually viable? What's the cutoff (in minutes) to get one? Should I have just made the relic into Abyssal Blade or just never even bought it?
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Count me in on the Radiance hate train, too much gold for me to sit on.
 
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Enco

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Des0lar said:
The thing is, I basically never solo queue. Really seldom. So I always have at least 1 or 2 people i can communicate with.
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I always do this.

Solo Dota 2 is a horrible experience for the most part.

That being said, I still end up on awful awful losing streaks even with 2 other friends.
 
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Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Hylian7 said:
But when is it actually viable? What's the cutoff (in minutes) to get one? Should I have just made the relic into Abyssal Blade or just never even bought it?
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Tbh i don't really like radiance on weaver at all. Nullstone gives him the mana regen he needs, some damage, and some survivability. Then after that I like to go mkb or crit followed by heart or more damage depending on the situation.

Radiance overall just isn't that strong anymore. You don't absolutely need it to farm quickly and for many heroes, there are cheaper alternatives that often offer more utility. The only time I'd ever go radiance is probably on a spectre/naga with complete free farm. Even then though, the item isn't core. It's one of many options.

Also, there are rumors floating around that LongDD left LGD.cn.

edit: lgd china not int, sorry
 
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VanillaCakeIsBurning

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Ardvent said:
I suggest a great way to get some experience under your belt is Co-op vs Bots on Easy difficulty. They are generally more casual games where you can try out a hero and decide if you would like to try them in a real game. Co-op games still award BP and items so there's no downside.
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I guess vs bots would be good for getting used to the skills. In terms of difficulty I found the bots before to be better than real players due to their perfect synchronized ganks and ability use.

Thanks for the suggestion though.
 
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Boken

Banned
Bo said:
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One of the most aggressive support heroes in the game (above average burst damage, ridiculous cc), he can gank anyone provided he maxes Glimpse early (I find it best maxed first), pubs don't know how to play him or against him (83rd in popularity), and he snowballs like a blizzard.

Most of the time I just random or play whatever's needed, though.
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Yo I still need to play this guy. Nobody can lane properly at my MMR anyway, so he's not even weak.
And dendi has inspired me. Gonna play skywrath like lux.

Des0lar said:
Fucking weekends in Dota. This fucking shit makes me so angry, I can't comprehend.

People with more than 300 wins, abso-fucking-lutely having no clue and ruining the game for others. Holy shit.

First this happens:
yeahaboutthatqdb5y.png


The Brewmaster game i even lost, AFTER I went 12 / 1 and ONE OF THE ENEMY TEAM FED DELIBERATLY. I mean we played 5vs4 and one of their teammates fed us kills on purpose AND WE STILL LOST. WTF.

And then the last game, finally a good game with brood, I feel confident, get lots of kills

AND THEN THIS FUCKING SK ON OUR TEAM
retardskipxfd.png


Yes I need to vent
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I think you need to get better
VanillaCakeIsBurning said:
I need to play Dota 2 more. I've played almost all the champions in League and I can do pretty well with most but in Dota2 I've probably played about 10 heroes max.

2-3 of those I can play decently at. There's so much more to learn in Dota, sometimes I don't even start up the game because I know I'll probably get curb stomped if I try a new hero out.
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how many doto games have you played?
shira said:
Danse Macabre by Konras
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=143513535

Sweet Jebus.
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Like I know every single PA set sucks balls, but is this even lore related

Enco said:
I always do this.

Solo Dota 2 is a horrible experience for the most part.

That being said, I still end up on awful awful losing streaks even with 2 other friends.
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I dont get why you guys are a bunch of softies. always stacking or multi queueing. Dota2 MM doesnt seem to account for groups very well, judging by the power of gaf stacks so you're really just asking for easy wins.

you guys need to work for it solo style. nothing feels better than grabbing a bunch of randoms, throwing them on your back and charging to victory.
 
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Sibylus

Banned
Boken said:
Yo I still need to play this guy. Nobody can lane properly at my MMR anyway, so he's not even weak.
And dendi has inspired me. Gonna play skywrath like lux.
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Yes, you should. Gets amazeballs if you can afford a Necronomicon to spot for you.
 
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Dreams-Visions

Member
The Technomancer said:
STOP RUNNING FROM DROW YOU CANNOT DO IT AND IT FEEDS HER. IGNORE YOUR INSTINCTS AND ATTACK HER
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fixed.

and that's pretty much what it comes down to. and with some heroes...if you're at the edge of her auto-attack range, you're in the point of no return. you will be kited if you come in; you will be orb walked if you walk away.

You're going to die if you have no help, and there's no real way around it.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Dreams-Visions said:
fixed.

and that's pretty much what it comes down to. and with some heroes...if you're at the edge of her auto-attack range, you're in the point of no return. you will be kited if you come in; you will be orb walked if you walk away.

You're going to die if you have no help, and there's no real way around it.
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Yeah, it was bad after the first few kills because at that point you can't attack her either, since the slow on frost means you're dead by the time you get in range
 
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jaundicejuice

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I've lost six games in a row this weekend because someone on my team, without fail, has thrown the game under the bus and/or abandoned. It's even more annoying when I've done well, or at least not horribly, no matter what role I've played.
 
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Clawww

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jaundicejuice said:
I've lost six games in a row this weekend because someone on my team, without fail, has thrown the game under the bus and/or abandoned. It's even more annoying when I've done well, or at least not horribly, no matter what role I've played.
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weekend doto, man

I was on a losing streak and told myself, "if we lose this next one I'm never going to play on weekends again" and we won ugh
 
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Hylian7

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Anbokr said:
Tbh i don't really like radiance on weaver at all. Nullstone gives him the mana regen he needs, some damage, and some survivability. Then after that I like to go mkb or crit followed by heart or more damage depending on the situation.

Radiance overall just isn't that strong anymore. You don't absolutely need it to farm quickly and for many heroes, there are cheaper alternatives that often offer more utility. The only time I'd ever go radiance is probably on a spectre/naga with complete free farm. Even then though, the item isn't core. It's one of many options.

Also, there are rumors floating around that LongDD left LGD.cn.

edit: lgd china not int, sorry
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So Radiance can be considered like Vanguard and SnY then. I always felt like Radiance was strong. I guess there are cheaper alternatives.

I want to get better at more solo offlaners. I can do Weaver, but want to be successful with Clinkz, BH, LD (especially), and more.
 
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bzm

Member
Hylian7 said:
So Radiance can be considered like Vanguard and SnY then. I always felt like Radiance was strong. I guess there are cheaper alternatives.

I want to get better at more solo offlaners. I can do Weaver, but want to be successful with Clinkz, BH, LD (especially), and more.
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whoawhoawhoawhoawhoa
sny naix is legit
 
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Hylian7

Member
bzm said:
whoawhoawhoawhoawhoa
sny naix is legit
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Why? For about 1000 gold cheaper you could have an actual TP-stopping stun with a Basher instead of a chance for a slow.

I have never seen SnY as a viable item on anyone as it seems like there is a better choice.
 
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bzm

Member
Hylian7 said:
Why? For about 1000 gold cheaper you could have an actual TP-stopping stun with a Basher instead of a chance for a slow.

I have never seen SnY as a viable item on anyone as it seems like there is a better choice.
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u got something against goin fast and havin stats bruh?
 
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Schweinehund

Member
Radi sux. It has been almost completely phased out on the one carry who used it the most in lieu of armlet. To be fair armlet is apparently broken on bear in current state.
 
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Hylian7

Member
Schweinehund said:
Radi sux. It has been almost completely phased out on the one carry who used it the most in lieu of armlet. To be fair armlet is apparently broken on bear in current state.
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I think it's hilarious that the reasoning behind the lack of health drain on the bear is "just because."
 
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Raxus

Member
Ya...fuck pugs. I don't want to play unless someone plays with me. Whoever says playing gives you experience is full of shit. You need a guide to help you early on.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Hylian7 said:
#cureforlancer found!


I don't think he's even that bad. He's beatable.
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This morning pissed me the fuck off though. We did everything right. Dusted and caught him fleeing from his crowd of illusions, dropped and popped a TA trap, four of us chasing after him, he still manages to outrun us long enough to go invisible again.
 
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Pureauthor

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The Technomancer said:
This morning pissed me the fuck off though. We did everything right. Dusted and caught him fleeing from his crowd of illusions, dropped and popped a TA trap, four of us chasing after him, he still manages to outrun us long enough to go invisible again.
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Did you have stuns? Because if you have stuns he shouldn't be able to run at all once you spot him.

Also, Dust's status last for 12 seconds. Doppelwalk's invis lasts for 8 with a 15 sec cooldown at max level. So... uh, that's a pretty damn long time to be chasing a squishy-ass hero for a gank.
 
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Boken

Banned
Anbokr said:
Remember kids, Cancer Lancer can be beat, PROOF:

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wow who is this guy, so bm. and he must be pretty bad to lose with PL. bm AND bad.
I hope you told everybody to report him and I hope you told them to tell their friends to report him. And I hope the spectators reported him.
 
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Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I would be funnier, anbokr, if those were all from different games.
 
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