am is pretty much the best "carry" of this patch because he has all the tools necessary to deal with many of the popular heroes and yeah, he would probably be one of the best considering the heroes you listed. but i hate using the term "carry" in general as it is very blurred these days in dota, doesn't really mean what it used to
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am is pretty much the best "carry" of this patch because he has all the tools necessary to deal with many of the popular heroes and yeah, he would probably be one of the best considering the heroes you listed. but i hate using the term "carry" in general as it is very blurred these days in dota, doesn't really mean what it used to
I was going to say "What about Gyro?" when I read the first sentence, but yeah, I agree with you.
Gyro is basically a early, mid, and sort of late carry. AM is late game, but can find farm pretty well during early to mid game, as well as pop they Storm that blew all his mana if he's around.
I saw a really weird early game ganking AM on the other team the other day. He went Urn, wasn't very effective and I had plenty of space to get great farm with Storm. He transitioned into carry mode later, but it hardly mattered as we were bulldozing their base. At most he would get a big mana void on me that only instantly killed me like, once. The other times he tried to blink on me and Urn me to follow it up and was like "Fuck you!" and used Bloodstone.
It's kind of crazy to think that the AoE on mana void used to be so small, so small that many players didn't even know it had one.
Monochromaticx
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notail team looking really strong
Imp the Dimp
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Don't think AM is a better position 1 than Gyro in general. In solo queue pubs I feel Gyro is a significantly better pick to be honest because he doesn't rely as much on his mates and accomplishes stuff on his own while also scaling superbly.
Not quite certain about that game because I'm unsure how they laned it. If it was a solo off lane ES the AM was up against, then AM should've had free farm and could've snowballed out of control regardless of their picks, in which case he would've been a reasonable pick.
I don't even know how the game concluded lol
Not quite certain about that game because I'm unsure how they laned it. If it was a solo off lane ES the AM was up against, then AM should've had free farm and could've snowballed out of control regardless of their picks, in which case he would've been a reasonable pick.
I don't even know how the game concluded lol
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Wok
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AM cannot outfarm all three heroes (Medusa, Sven and Ursa), so in this kind of game, you need either to snowball fast with a hero like Slark or Wraith King (plus good teamfighters like Invoker), or to tell your team to pick three carry and two good support heroes as well to be able to go late game if needed.
how do you mean? like being able to fight earlier with less time spent farming or...
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Are any of them skillshots?
Gentle Rodriguez
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new league hero revealed!!! featuring gap closer, slow, and nuke
How did they manage to make a dual unit boring?
well i guess it's like, is SS a carry? he's very difficult to kill and scales very well into the lategame. but he's not really a carry per se.
im just talking semantics, back a long time ago (in my dota1 potato bracket) "carry" just meant spectre/am/void/weaver (think ti1). these guys were the de facto late game monsters with a subpar early game. on the flipside you had the lane dominators and meat shield supports than sharply fell off after X minute. now technically, leshrac/lina/storm, all of these guys can fall under the "carry" term, leshrac can carry well into 60 minutes and out-scale many many heroes. It's not as black and white or cut and dry as it used to be.
icefrog has been blurring the lines for awhile now though as we're seeing more and more powerful cheap items and insanely good aghs that propel some traditionally "early game heroes" into the late game, as well as the opposite case--heroes like am/void/spec/jugg getting better ultimates, better tools, or just better base stats to fight earlier and more frequently
I thought those were called hard carries? Or at least thats what I heard them being called as when I started playing
AM is a lot less reliant on his team than he used to be. Sure, Gyro is definitely better in most pubs, but I think AM is underestimated, especially when we have Storms and QoPs with huge mana pools flying around.
In bad situations with AM, you can always just get the Vlad's before BF, going into the BF next and standard build from there. Best situation is free lane farm, but even in games where you get free farm for about 6 or 7 minutes, then the other team has a 4-man party in your lane, then it's time to look where they aren't for farm. Usually offlane serves this purpose well, as either no one is there to bother you, or it's just a carry that can't do anything to you by himself.
Kind of a similar tactic to how I play Spectre, but AM's flash farming tools are up faster. Of course, these heroes do completely different things as far as carries go.
"hard carry" and semi-carry were thrown around but even those i don't like, for example, what would you call lycan? he's most definitely a "carry," but he was by no means ever a "hard carry," but neither is he a "semi-carry" in the way it was used to describe qop or SF in the past
doto semantics
I think that's why the term "core" is used more often now. Carry is usually reserved for the heroes you named. This is different than saying "Storm carried the team" when he snowballed out of control (unless you are playing safe lane Storm of course)
Monochromaticx
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huskar with one more buff can be the next top tier pick hero, especially if oracle is added to cm
why do you say this? I'm not seeing a combo between the 2
oracle can stop people from right-clicking huskar and when he's oracle ulted heals works twice as well
Husk
Slardar
NIght Stalker
All of these could become seriously good picks if they get small buffs
That's the only thing I was thinking about as well but it's gimmicky as hell. It's pretty standard to get BKB vs Huskar to negate the the burn and that would also negate Oracle's W.
Oracle's W also has another downside with Huskar since it blocks 100% of magic damage on the target, and guess what type of damage burning spears are... You might be increasing his right-click in the process but that's not his main dps source, so overall it works against Huskar.
Not feeling it tbh.
His ult is like a better shallow grave that lasts longer, constantly purges debuffs, and heals huskar at the end
Monochromaticx
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purifying flames will do very low damage to husky when he is low. so with oracle ulti + inner vitality + purifying flames spam huskar will go absolutely ham while getting purged from any stuns and come out with positive health after.
Riki too imo
shira
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Apart from Inner Vit, I don't see what makes this combo so unique to Huskar.
Sure your increased magic resist will negate most of the initial damage but purifying flames can't kill allies and will always heal more than the initial burst so in the end any hero will come up winning HP from it.
Add the possible life steal the target might have, a mek by someone and urn (that I don't believe is interrupted during False Promise) and you'll have any hero almost healed to full in the end.
Will Huskar be healed more than anyone else? Sure. Will this combo only work with him? No.
Also from the wiki (regarding False Promise):
It does nothing against his major counters (I believe Frostbite still applies).
SilentRacoon
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Didn't this game got announced quite a while ago? I seem to recall some of those scenes from somewhere else.
techies
call_kotaku
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Didn't this game got announced quite a while ago? I seem to recall some of those scenes from somewhere else.
Yeah, at last TGS I think.
It didn't make it to the show floor for undisclosed reasons (they realized it was super creepy to non-japanese people)
omfg the way i cringed
Dreams-Visions
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the fuck did i just watch
all those closeups, gratitude and not a single dick sucked? fuckouttahere
call_kotaku
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calm down bro she's like 14 years old, you can't be sexualizing minors, that'd be creepy
Gentle Rodriguez
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No way she's getting buffed, might even get a minor nerf. She'll probably go untouched though.
Can't spoil the entire game man.
Does look like "blue balls" the game though.