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Dota 2 |OT2| Ellen Pudge starring in Beyond Two Throws
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Imp the Dimp
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Drow is worse honestly.
edit: Here's my most recent shit tier list:
1. Drow
2. Sniper
3. Bloodseeker
4. Tusk
5. Ogre Magi
6. Treant
7. Meepo
8. Omniknight
9. Morphling
10. Witch Doctor
And Phantom Lancer pretty close by.
ctrl + F, Zeus not found.
Seriously a fed Zeus is the worst shit ever. By the time you can even get to a hood of Defiance or BKB, you've died a thousand times by his shitty global ulti/refresher combo because u played a squishy support hero and ur mid fed.
Imp the Dimp
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Yeah, Zeus is pretty trashy but can get annoying fast. I haven't faced one in weeks however. Hardly anybody ever picks him in my bracket honestly.
except ogre is best support in the game.
I agree with Drow, Tusk, Meepo, and Morphling. Every other one is stupid-potent in its niche.
Imp the Dimp
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Bloodseeker sucks unless he's up against Anti Mage or Weaver, Sniper sucks, Magi sucks, Treant has been gimped pretty badly in 6.79, Omniknight has no lane presence and gets rekt by Diffusals which most pubbies won't bother to buy hence his good pub winrate, Witch Doctor sux because he's unreliable as fuck.
My list is correct.
Rebuttal: Bloodseeker wrecks heroes with potent slows and silences now that his dispels the target. Headshot is bullshit from level 1, on top of Sniper's insane range. Magi has potent magic damage and can be fit into numerous lineups (a Lone Druid lineup, most prominently). Treant's midgame is still quite fearsome. Omni lives or dies depending on the quality of his GAs (like always), when good he ends games. Witch Doctor ditto with good Cask and Death Ward, the latter of which goes through BKB.
All of the above have at least one aspect to their balance that can completely blow a game wide open. Drow, Tusk, Meepo, and Morphling on the other hand, have calamitous downside balanced against really tenuous gain. No reward is high enough for all that weakness.
All of the above have at least one aspect to their balance that can completely blow a game wide open. Drow, Tusk, Meepo, and Morphling on the other hand, have calamitous downside balanced against really tenuous gain. No reward is high enough for all that weakness.
That's insane: once Morphling gets farm he's one of the best splitpushers in the game, he's unkillable, he can oneshot supports every 30 seconds and has crazy dps in a fight. The hero has his weaknesses (mainly mana is a big issue early on) but to say he doesn't do much is just crazy.
I've recently had some good games when I got Sniper in All Random. In my shit tier bracket people just don't seem to care about him until it's to late. I usually go Aquila + Phase, Shadow Blade, Desolator. Maybe a Yasha before Shadow Blade if I can't skip it. Whenever I see people go treads I cringe, seems such a waste for a hero where positioning and escaping is key.
He was an unkillable behemoth in the heydays of TI2, but he's nowhere near that impactful or flexible anymore. For better cast time, base attack time, and level 4 morph shift rate, the hero still has to contend with a narrower Wave, a Wave you can't attack or cast from, 6 less base damage, and 50% costlier morph shift per second. Add to that all of his natural predators getting better at countering him while he gets little tweaks, and I don't see the remarkable recovery.
Nirvana
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I remember when Drow was the most picked hero in Dota. Before that nerf she absolutely crushed with her stupid agi gain. She still crushes laning stage in a lot of circumstances, which can sometimes be enough for her to stomp; although the player has to know how to land that silence.
Nirvana
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How did you lose with that siq draft man?
CarbonatedFalcon
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Drow isn't bad now per se, she's just not easy-mode-crush-everything anymore. I guess the same sort of spot as Morph (though Morph was never really there so much - he's always had a slightly higher skill cap).
No, I probably wouldn't pick her in most cases, but situationally or in RD or something she can be good.
No, I probably wouldn't pick her in most cases, but situationally or in RD or something she can be good.
Honorable mention to Lycan, who still contributes nothing to a lane and is easy to gank in the jungle before 6
Also Spirit Breaker. That ult Nerf really hit him hard.
That rework of the rework really was brutal. The hero was going places, maybe even stupidly unbalanced ones, but the all-or-nothing change to Marksmanship handicaps her so fundamentally. If your opponents are the least bit competent and build things like Blink Daggers and Force Staffs, let alone pick any heroes at all that can close a gap, you might as well not have an ult. I honestly feel that on balance she's in a worse state compared to when Marksmanship was a flat Agility bonus.
Nirvana
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I agree. I think she needs a buff to rebalance her, because she can't carry at all when her ulti is entirely negated by one support standing next to her in the fight. They need to just lower the buff or something simpler, Icefrog's 'clever' nerfs like Nyx's stun and this one sometimes seem to hurt heroes far too much for them to be viable.
Possibly change her ult to a stacking agi gain from kills or attacks like Pudge or Slark's passives, do something different here because at the moment she is useless unless she gets 50 kills in lane and even then she will still get outcarried by a real carry.
S is the default for stop, funnily enough! I just use space for levelling up, perhaps I should use it for an item instead, since most people seem to and it makes total sense. TLDR I'm an idiot.
Imp the Dimp
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Looks like a normal loss? Not even a stomp. Grow some thicker skin, brah. Your team's draft sucked ass.
Lmao how can you have a 300 higher than me rating, I call bullshit, stop stacking with Russians and play more with nobs like me
I'd place many other heroes, but last two games I had to face a fed Zeus and he was the most annoying thing ever.
Played a game a while ago with him in our team, kept racking up kills away from everyone with his global ulti and then when it came to late game, he got absolutely crushed by the 5 guy carry team.
Can't say I hate him more on the enemy team or ours. Either way, he is so cheap.
Whenever someone chooses a Slark, I think of how a spot is wasted on team. Slark will always feed, can never carry a team late game. He isnt even a good ganker.
Played a game a while ago with him in our team, kept racking up kills away from everyone with his global ulti and then when it came to late game, he got absolutely crushed by the 5 guy carry team.
Can't say I hate him more on the enemy team or ours. Either way, he is so cheap.
Whenever someone chooses a Slark, I think of how a spot is wasted on team. Slark will always feed, can never carry a team late game. He isnt even a good ganker.
You're just mad because you're worse than Tobi.Lmao how can you have a 300 higher than me rating, I call bullshit, stop stacking with Russians and play more with nobs like me
Also unless it counts tmm games i'm almost playing every single game with you copper tier scumbag.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Only 11,800 people ahead of me in the queue, no problem.
I actually had it go through the other day, but it said the metric and everything changed, so had to resubmit. Haven't played many games recently, but aside from Diretide, I've won quite a high percentage of my latest matches.
I actually had it go through the other day, but it said the metric and everything changed, so had to resubmit. Haven't played many games recently, but aside from Diretide, I've won quite a high percentage of my latest matches.
Dumbo, when you TMM I have to play with noob mates, 1vs1 unvouch
SteveWinwood
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You'll be waiting many hours. I had a similar queue number after it reset and here I still am nearly 12 hours later still waiting on it. If it resets every 24 hours...
Apparently it weighs who you queue with a lot since he straight up tells you to use that to increase your score. So much so that he lists it twice.
So just go get in a stack with some good players, who cares about wins.
I still think the thing is a joke, and have no clue why so many people are paying it any attention. Last I checked he still hasn't said how any of this is actually being calculated (something something machine learning bullshit) so he might as well just be pulling numbers out of a hat.
The_Player
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I had a dream this night, in which Nirolak banned me from neogaf. Sorry folks, I couldn't keep this info to myself alone any longer.
How much is Sheever at?
SteveWinwood
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So I was going to say that hey it might actually be accurate there, as I bet he's not as good as the rest of Alliance as he only plays a few heroes.
But then there was this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1rnt1z/looks_like_the_new_skill_measuring_service_is_up/cdp7uyn said:
So you really think his Lone Druid performance is that much worse than all the other Lone Druid's? Of course not. He probably played a few games with Sheever or something. What a great rating.
533, but apparently they played together only 3 times in the last month.
It doesn't seem like he's playing a lot of LD in pubs lately.
edit:s4 is pretty low too, 1380
edit2:it counts only the 20 latest games so yeah, not that great.
SteveWinwood
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This was one of Bulldog's last games...
Player number 37147003 DSR is:
533
This player has a Gold DSR score .
Pureauthor
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Why do you people need a number so badly anyway
Imp the Dimp
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People are extremely desperate for a ladder, that much is sure. I wish Valve provided some sort of progress, ladder, Elo, MMR, whatever..
balladofwindfishes
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How else are they going to know who to blame when they lose?
If only players prioritized ice arrow and silence rather than aura
balladofwindfishes
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I'm of the mindset every match should be a self contained entity and have no effect on past or future games or my profile at all. Attaching a number puts pressure on people to always do their absolute best and it might discourage innovation or jokey for-fun games where people pick support meepo or something. I like the freedom to play a game with an experiment or new build and then go and play a more serious game afterwards with neither having any long term effect.
But there's already an hidden rating, we just dont't know it.
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