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Dota 2 |OT2| Ellen Pudge starring in Beyond Two Throws

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I'm of the mindset every match should be a self contained entity and have no effect on past or future games or my profile at all. Attaching a number puts pressure on people to always do their absolute best and it might discourage innovation or jokey for-fun games where people pick support meepo or something. I like the freedom to play a game with an experiment or new build and then go and play a more serious game afterwards with neither having any long term effect.

I feel that you should let people queue for that if they really want. You don't even have to separate the pools, just let them tick a box and then they're in some sort of ladder that just surfaces the mmr and gives them some sort of placement.

I wouldn't do it me thinks, but if others want to, sure go for it. I don't believe it would increase "WAH WHY DO YOU SUCK THIS IS MY RANK MATCH" more than ranting and complaining already is present in the matchmaking.
 

Artanisix

Member
aw hell no, you guys are NOT shitting on meepo / treant / witch doctor / tuskar, now i'm mega-upset

Also, it compares each hero individually so it isn't like if you play carries you will get better score. Your Lifestealer performance is compared to the performance of other lifestealer players, your crystal maiden to other crystal maidens etc.

that's cool, looks like all the times i played gyro / alch support bones me over
 

Ultrabum

Member
I feel that you should let people queue for that if they really want. You don't even have to separate the pools, just let them tick a box and then they're in some sort of ladder that just surfaces the mmr and gives them some sort of placement.

I wouldn't do it me thinks, but if others want to, sure go for it. I don't believe it would increase "WAH WHY DO YOU SUCK THIS IS MY RANK MATCH" more than ranting and complaining already is present in the matchmaking.

This "fun mode" exists. Hit find lobby, no mmr tracked.
 

Sibylus

Banned
Isn't Drow basically a wombo-combo hero with Visage now?
A 2-3 position drow going full DPS build will just melt towers with VIsage birds, no?
An interesting idea, going by the numbers (using this to save time):

[damage with no stacks in italics]
Level 1 Familiars dmg total (no aura): 66/58/50/42/34/26/18/10
Level 2 Familiars dmg total (no aura): 108/94/80/66/52/38/24/10
Level 3 Familiars dmg total (no aura): 164/142/120/98/76/54/32/10

Drow, level 7 (1/1/4/1 skilled; agility treads, 3x branch)
Raw Agility (ult on): 88.40
Agi into dmg (36%): 31.82

Level 1 Familiars dmg total: 97.82/89.82/81.82/73.82/65.82/57.82/49.8/41.82
(7 attacks: 516.74 dmg)​
Level 2 Familiars dmg total: 139.82/125.82/111.82/97.82/83.82/69.82/55.82/41.82
(7 attacks: 684.74 dmg)​
Level 3 Familiars dmg total: 195.82/173.82/151.82/129.82/107.82/85.82/63.82/41.82
(7 attacks: 908.74 dmg)​


Drow, level 11 (3/2/4/2 skilled; agility treads, magic wand, yasha)
Raw Agility (ult on): 132.00
Agi into dmg (36%): 47.52

Level 1 Familiars dmg total: 113.52/105.52/97.52/89.52/81.52/73.52/65.52/57.52
(7 attacks: 626.64 dmg)​
Level 2 Familiars dmg total: 155.52/141.52/127.52/113.52/99.52/85.52/71.52/57.52
(7 attacks: 794.64 dmg)​
Level 3 Familiars dmg total: 211.52/189.52/167.52/145.52/123.52/101.52/79.52/57.52
(7 attacks: 1,018.64 dmg)​


Drow, level 16 (4/4/4/4/1 skilled; agility treads, magic wand, manta style)
Raw Agility (ult on): 173.50
Agi into dmg (36%): 62.46

Level 1 Familiars dmg total: 128.46/120.46/112.46/104.46/96.46/88.46/80.46/72.46
(7 attacks: 731.22 dmg)​
Level 2 Familiars dmg total: 170.46/156.46/142.46/128.46/114.46/100.46/86.46/72.46
(7 attacks: 899.22 dmg)​
Level 3 Familiars dmg total: 226.46/204.46/182.46/160.46/138.46/116.46/94.46/72.46
(7 attacks: 1,123.22 dmg)​

It can potentially be a shitload, but between the three units there are no reliable stuns and none of them are particularly tanky. Could be good, could be awful. Losing the aura for any reason makes for no small amount of lost dps in a given engagement.
 

shira

Member
1831 i'm so mithril gggggg


"How to improve your DSR?
Playing selfish will decrease it."
iunno about that one

Fucking sick yur better than most pros. Is this latest games or overall career

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fiore

Banned
An interesting idea, going by the numbers (using this to save time):

[damage with no stacks in italics]
Level 1 Familiars dmg total (no aura): 66/58/50/42/34/26/18/10
Level 2 Familiars dmg total (no aura): 108/94/80/66/52/38/24/10
Level 3 Familiars dmg total (no aura): 164/142/120/98/76/54/32/10

Drow, level 7 (1/1/4/1 skilled; agility treads, 3x branch)
Raw Agility (ult on): 88.40
Agi into dmg (36%): 31.82

Level 1 Familiars dmg total: 97.82/89.82/81.82/73.82/65.82/57.82/49.8/41.82
(7 attacks: 516.74 dmg)​
Level 2 Familiars dmg total: 139.82/125.82/111.82/97.82/83.82/69.82/55.82/41.82
(7 attacks: 684.74 dmg)​
Level 3 Familiars dmg total: 195.82/173.82/151.82/129.82/107.82/85.82/63.82/41.82
(7 attacks: 908.74 dmg)​


Drow, level 11 (3/2/4/2 skilled; agility treads, magic wand, yasha)
Raw Agility (ult on): 132.00
Agi into dmg (36%): 47.52

Level 1 Familiars dmg total: 113.52/105.52/97.52/89.52/81.52/73.52/65.52/57.52
(7 attacks: 626.64 dmg)​
Level 2 Familiars dmg total: 155.52/141.52/127.52/113.52/99.52/85.52/71.52/57.52
(7 attacks: 794.64 dmg)​
Level 3 Familiars dmg total: 211.52/189.52/167.52/145.52/123.52/101.52/79.52/57.52
(7 attacks: 1,018.64 dmg)​


Drow, level 16 (4/4/4/4/1 skilled; agility treads, magic wand, manta style)
Raw Agility (ult on): 173.50
Agi into dmg (36%): 62.46

Level 1 Familiars dmg total: 128.46/120.46/112.46/104.46/96.46/88.46/80.46/72.46
(7 attacks: 731.22 dmg)​
Level 2 Familiars dmg total: 170.46/156.46/142.46/128.46/114.46/100.46/86.46/72.46
(7 attacks: 899.22 dmg)​
Level 3 Familiars dmg total: 226.46/204.46/182.46/160.46/138.46/116.46/94.46/72.46
(7 attacks: 1,123.22 dmg)​

It can potentially be a shitload, but between the three units there are no reliable stuns and none of them are particularly tanky. Could be good, could be awful. Losing the aura for any reason makes for no small amount of lost dps in a given engagement.
Visage stun is pretty reliable
 

brentech

Member
Cool beans, thanks guys results on reddit
http://redd.it/1rzy8g

Really wanna see Vici or Sigma surprise at EMS One - maybe knock off TL

Wow. Apparently I'm one of the few that gave Sigma respect. I think I had them top 5. with LGD just behind them I think. Otherwise that's pretty much what my list looked like. I know I had Alliance knocked down a peg.
 

shira

Member
Surprised Sigma is so low, weren't they doing really well recently?

JD and GG didn't have them listed top 10, so yeah and they only made semifinals at MLG. But yeah they should have been at dreamhack instead of Liquid.

I feel sorry for The GD Studio, the Fragbite Masters schedule is going to have them casting until at least 3-4am in the morning.

http://www.ongamers.com/articles/fragbite-masters-2013-finals-schedule-posted/1100-256/

You got to think big picture matt. Energy drink sponsor opportunity.
 

sephi22

Member
My DSR is 215

Goddamn I'm garbage

Level 3 Familiars dmg total: 226.46/204.46/182.46/160.46/138.46/116.46/94.46/72.46
(7 attacks: 1,123.22 dmg)​
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It can potentially be a shitload, but between the three units there are no reliable stuns and none of them are particularly tanky. Could be good, could be awful. Losing the aura for any reason makes for no small amount of lost dps in a given engagement.

Let's say its late game and Visage has aghs.
3x 1,123.22 = 3369 damage on 1 target when drow has her aura active.
This allows Visage to backdoor any rax using just the birds.

Even if your birds are at their weakest, any time you're sieging, Drow can make the 3 birds dish out 217 damage per attack on any 1 target. That's like having 1 extra hero.

Drow on her own might be ass tier, but she turns Visage into a super saiyan god tier pusher.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
How bad does a skill rating site need to be until people decide to ignore it? It's stunning to me that people are desperate enough to hang onto this piece of junk for so long. I'm pretty sure I could put up a random number generator and everyone would spend a month using it.

Should be a notice to Valve that people desperately crave a goddamned ranking system. Please, for the love of god, just copy the great LoL/Starcraft system. It's mind boggling that dota still has no form of ranked play, and no, TMM is complete garbage so don't even mention that.
 
Should be a notice to Valve that people desperately crave a goddamned ranking system. Please, for the love of god, just copy the great LoL/Starcraft system. It's mind boggling that dota still has no form of ranked play, and no, TMM is complete garbage so don't even mention that.

did you just call the lol and starcraft ladders great
 

shira

Member
Wow, have a good showing at MLG, get second at Dreamhack Winter and still score in the bottom four with half the points of teams that they regularly beat.

No love for Fnatic. :(

MLG: 5-8th place is the same as PBS and EG

And they got destroyed in the DL finals. Coming 2nd out of 3 isn't exactly amazing. Liquid didn't belong.

DSR a rating system that ranks Sheever higher than the one and only A-god RTZ.

Sounds legit.
We need Relic vs Sheever solo mid to confirm
 

sephi22

Member
Here's how you win a game as Drow Ranger.

Draft a Luna-Visage-Vengeful Spirit 'Dat Har-Ass' trilane
- First point in Vengeful Aura
- First point in Lunar Blessing

5th Hero is your initiator/tank whatever

Get Agi items and levels 6/11/16. Sit in base while your trilane snowballs and their towers melt.

- Presented my sephi22 (DSR:215)

You're welcome. I accept rares as payment.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Here's how you win a game as Drow Ranger.

Draft a Mirana-Visage-Vengeful Spirit 'Dat Har-Ass' trilane
- First point in Vengeful Aura
- First point in Lunar Blessing

5th Hero is your initiator/tank whatever

Get Agi items and levels 6/11/16. Sit in base while your trilane snowballs and their towers melt.

- Presented my sephi22 (DSR:215)

You're welcome. I accept rares as payment.
I think you mean Luna instead of Mirana.

So Drow solo lanes in this line up? I am guessing you probably want Beastmaster as the 5th for the attack speed aura since you are going ALL IN with this aura strat.
 
Yep. I don't like both games, but I like their ladder system, especially the LoL one.

I only have experience with the sc2 ladder, and had no problems with it personally, but always heard people complaining about it. I'm ignorant if those were legitimate issues (which sc2 had plenty of) or people bitching to simply bitch.

I absolutely loathe the idea of promotion matches though.
 

sephi22

Member
I think you mean Luna instead of Mirana.

So Drow solo lanes in this line up? I am guessing you probably want Beastmaster as the 5th for the attack speed aura since you are going ALL IN with this aura strat.

Right you are. Meant Luna.
And yeah BM would e good
 

Razzer

Member
Am i the only one that likes solo queue?

Solo queue is fine if you have thick skin and don't get petty over losing (even if it feels shitty because of awful teammates you should be able to just glean what you can out of it) There are also a number of qualities you should look for in heroes to play solo for maximum enjoyment.
 

Razzer

Member
I pick PL in solo queue it's a pve game for me.

Any hero that can do ok in lane and has the ability to split push semi decently is ideal for soloing. That way you don't get shit on early and can try to stall and trade if you are losing. Also good cc is useful.
 

bzm

Member

docbon

Member
My DSR is 570. I don't care who I stack with and that likely has something to do with it.

I feel like we are talking about credit scores or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdY4dtewURQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I think it's funny that it says "Don't play selfish" then it says that stacking with players of lower skill lowers your DSR. "Well you are too trench and will drag down my DSR, so I reject your party invite!"

hylian we need a gank bot like 5 minutes ago

hylian??? why are you still farming mid

HYLIAN

;)
 
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