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Dota 2 |OT3| #BetterThenEllenPudge
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Alright, need some OD tips. He seems really fun to play, but I can't figure him out, I also don't understand the threshold part of his ult. When should start fighting, how/when do i use my ult, what should I do when there's someone who makes me useless in the other team (ex: nyx).
Also, competitive viability of sladar? No mana cost for his first ability and blink dagger as well as his bash buff seems nice. Minus 20 armor is nothing to scoff at too.
I'm wondering, why do people build manta on Terrorblade? It's only 28% dmg on ranged illusions vs your two 60% already built-in illusions on ranged form. Seems to me you could build a better item. Without manta you have an extra 120% dmg from illusions, with manta it adds 56%. Compare 220% vs 276% doesn't seems worth the cost to me. Opinions?
Also, competitive viability of sladar? No mana cost for his first ability and blink dagger as well as his bash buff seems nice. Minus 20 armor is nothing to scoff at too.
I'm wondering, why do people build manta on Terrorblade? It's only 28% dmg on ranged illusions vs your two 60% already built-in illusions on ranged form. Seems to me you could build a better item. Without manta you have an extra 120% dmg from illusions, with manta it adds 56%. Compare 220% vs 276% doesn't seems worth the cost to me. Opinions?
manfestival
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so far ive managed to get 2 keys and 1 chest from jade tokens. I kinda like the key items more but its true that the bloom harvest ones have more value with the sockets. I have so far the ember coin(which I love), the natures prophet staff (looks cool but its one of the last things I wanted), and the beast of vermillion wilds(the first mythical i have actually found playing this game and it came with a cool roar kills gem)
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Imp the Dimp
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Back when valve didn't patch out the fact you could see your MMR before finishing placement matches, I was around the 2300 mark(ive only been playing a few months) Since then I've only been doing unranked matches, but is it possibly that my MMR has changed since then even if I'm playing unranked?
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SneakyStephan
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Terrible movement speed, super squishy + he has a very short cast range, bad cast animation for ult if I had to guess
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Sgt.Pepper
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Plus Shadow Shaman fits more in the pushing strat.
Manta (5050 gold)
+10 str
+26 agi
+10 int
+15 Attack speed (41 total if you include the 26 agi)
+10% movement speed
+26 damage
+190hp (+0,3 hp regen)
+3 armor
+130 mana (+0,4 mana regen)
Illusion active
Compare Skadi (5675 gold)
+25 str
+25 agi
+25 int
+250 hp (725 if you count the +25 str) (+0,75 hp regen)
+250 mana ( 575 if you add the +25 int) (+1 mana regen)
+25 dmg
+25 attack speed
+3 armor
Auto-attacks slow movement speed and attack speed by 35% which is really useful due to the short range and 5 seconds duration of reflection.
Only a 625 gold difference. If you already built Sange and Yasha there is no point in building manta when you can build skadi.
Imp the Dimp
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I swear reading this thread is the most hilarious thing ever. Feed stories make me absolutely crack up.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/498466317
Man playing against a team that is good at defending and splitpushing drags games out so much. We dominated, as you can see from looking at Viper, but everytime we tried to push we had to defend. I spent most of the game fighting off Brood and NP by myself (and SS occasionally) which is why my score looks so small in comparison to the team. I almost never went in the jungle and still got that GPM, just because of the summons I was clearing. That's the first time in a while that it has felt like work getting the win rather than having fun.
Man playing against a team that is good at defending and splitpushing drags games out so much. We dominated, as you can see from looking at Viper, but everytime we tried to push we had to defend. I spent most of the game fighting off Brood and NP by myself (and SS occasionally) which is why my score looks so small in comparison to the team. I almost never went in the jungle and still got that GPM, just because of the summons I was clearing. That's the first time in a while that it has felt like work getting the win rather than having fun.
The point of building SnY On Terrorblade is that it's a good stop gap to make Manta and Butterfly, since you can do SnY, disassemble into Manta and Halberd and then disassemble halberd into Butterfly, keeping the Sange until you get Skadi. This build gives a lot of early stats and utility and you only lose 1k gold throughout the process.
Shouldn't you also include the dmg from illusions in that math? Also, if you already have an sny, manta would only be 3k. Not disputing, just pointing stuff out.
Love lion, but yeah he's a pretty middle of the road support. If you want stuns, shaman's better at cc with 2.5 stuns (wards can cc occasionally and can also push), bane has a stun that goes through bkb, and cm's cc is much better. If you want nukes, veno and visage have that and push, and lich has teamfight nukes. If you want versatility, Nyx, Rubick, and Alch are better picks. And he lacks any sort of push. Maybe the scepter buff will make for the occasional gimmick pick, but I don't think he'll get much more play in general.
My bad, noob mistake, didn't think of dissembling it. Thing is, isn't the slow on halberd a % chance of happening? Also doubt it stacks with skadi. 20% not guaranteed vs 35% guaranteed seems a no-brainer though.
Assuming you have 0 starting dmg: 292,56 total damage with manta
231 with skadi. 61,56 dmg difference, but I assumed the 500 extra hp was a decent trade off with all the talk about how squishy he is.
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Good to know
Slows all stacks. Skadi, frost dreagon breath and SnY also all stacks too, for maximum 100% slow of ez games.
SteveWinwood
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I love how the Dota 2 reddit is the new dev boards.
I dislike how as the game gets bigger, that sub reddit gets more circle jerky and memeifieded.
"If this post gets 1,000,000 upboats Valve will fix my issue."
That's how it works right?
SteveWinwood
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its reddit
Just redirect all the circle jerkers to r/leagueoflegends.
balladofwindfishes
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Speaking of dev forums Reddit
Brew and Phoenix don't get assist gold while using their ults
That's pretty awful. Brew's ult lasts a long time, probably the entire duration of a team fight. Urn is even listed as a recommended item on Phoenix even if in most team fights he won't be gaining charges.
Brew and Phoenix don't get assist gold while using their ults
That's pretty awful. Brew's ult lasts a long time, probably the entire duration of a team fight. Urn is even listed as a recommended item on Phoenix even if in most team fights he won't be gaining charges.
SteveWinwood
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I actually noticed I wasn't getting urn charges in supernova, but figured it was either intentional or a bug soon to be fixed.
Damn, that's brutal. Particularly for Brew. Bug report!
It's intentionalish. It's how it works in dota 1, but I'm not certain if its intentional in there or just a wc3 limit.
balladofwindfishes
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This is one of those things that would be a lot better to be inconsistent with WC3. It's a massive nerf to Brew
Which is sort of why it can't just be fixed, it is a major balance issue.
Yeah, Brew already has it tough enough in the late game as is. This slows down his ability to come online as a carry even more.
balladofwindfishes
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They could fix it now and just toss it into WC3's version of 6.80
What is this bullshit. I still went 0/3/30 in a Phoenix game last night, felt really good. We did this Black Hole/Freezing Field/Supernova thing that was like raining fire and ice and hell upon our foes.
On the other hand I got 40 ping added to my usual USE ping and get occasional packet losses.
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shira
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With the MLG win they have TI invite pretty much sewn up. Not sure what else they have to do till August.
Dreams-Visions
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That should get them a chance to compete for a wildcard. They need to do more to get a guaranteed spot.
Edit: actually, I think you're right simply because the number of Western teams doing well isn't as large as it was last year. Right now it's just NaVi, Alliance, Fnatic, Speed, and...that's really it. Liquid, Empire, Sigma, new EG, Rox, SAD, and Power Rangers are all meh. There are going to be some unworthy teams getting guaranteed invites this year.
I agree, I hope Alliance comes back in form because it would be pretty boring to have NaVi be the only top tier Western team
Dreams-Visions
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Yea there's a stunning lack of Western depth this year compared to last year. Didn't really notice that so many seams simply fell off the map, but it hadn't really thought about it. Liquid is half the team they were last year, Dignitas is dead, VPro is nowhere near what they were at this time last year. Empire hasn't been relevant since before TI2. Sigma is aaite...but I can't see them being competitive at TI.
And yet, 2 of those teams will get a guaranteed spot. Meh.
Don't forget about manta as a survivability item to get rid of stuff like silences. Also manta makes your split pushing a lot more potent, especially if you have something like radiance. And never underestimate ranged illusions...
shira
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BTS has the policy of always agreeing with the other caster. So instead of uhhhing and umming, their go-to dialogue is simply agree with what the other said.
Well yeah but I mean his casting in fights is exactly the same as LD's, not just in style but choice of words.
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