cuevas. PhD.
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No one's stopping you from watching Asian games or lower tier tournaments.
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Dota 2 |OT4| The saga of Vade and ReRixo: the Boat Anchors continues.
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No one's stopping you from watching Asian games or lower tier tournaments.
shira
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Gah!
I hate watching the Twins/Red Sox/Brewers/Tigers/Yankees/Pirates/A's/Cardinals/Blue Jays/Orioles/.... etc.
Sports have teams. Top teams get the most attention.
shira
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Heavy's Sandvich
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How can anyone be sick of a revitalised EG and a new team in C9 and a dominating Empire.
All we had last year was Alliance, then Mouz pretending for a little bit.
All we had last year was Alliance, then Mouz pretending for a little bit.
Well maybe if we did we would win TI4
T-minus 100 days
Can't wait!
SteveWinwood
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wait did you just call the twins a top team
Well maybe if we did we would win TI4
T-minus 100 days
pls dont remind me how far away my vacation is :c
shira
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Purple couriers. I wonder if there is a third in the trapjaw/lockjaw family. Cookiejaw?
btw does Mason get a free entrance to TI4 or was he f5ing with the rest of us?
This is something I've been meaning to ask for a while, when you are playing support in a trilane, how are you supposed to gank the opposing safelane? Do you TP to the T2 in that lane then smoke, or should you just smoke somewhere behind your mid T2 and walk through the river into their jungle? The latter always seems to get the smoke broken by someone we can't see.
Kappa
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As seen in reddit:
Well, for me, I have to sleep so I'm only conscious for western games. The International Qualifiers are going to start soon so we'll get a lot more variety in who's being discussed, I bet.
This is what I use on Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/webm-for-neogaf/gcjkaaggachnbhepejjhfacpldjflffl
edit: Sorry, didn't read Firefox. I have no clue for that.
There's a reason I never play support.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/601312090
It's basically almost all of my support games ever. I try to mimic what I see pros do and stuff and it never works, I just die as I try to do anything useful because I am too squishy. Keep dying because I have no farm. Can't contribute to ganks because if I even look at the other team I'm already dead. Everything that could go wrong did. I tried to smoke gank the Invoker mid with Centaur, guess what, he happened to start walking the other way and I couldn't catch him because I had no fucking boots because I had no farm.
I honestly have no idea how people play support, because every time I try it I just do terrible at it. The only games where I play support and win are under one of the following circumstances:
1. A teammate is snowballing out of control (Pudge, Terrorblade, etc.)
2. It's some really cheesy combo that works well (KotL + PL of old, Void + Skywrath, etc.)
3. The other team is lot worse than we are
4. Sheer force of luck
http://dotabuff.com/matches/601312090
It's basically almost all of my support games ever. I try to mimic what I see pros do and stuff and it never works, I just die as I try to do anything useful because I am too squishy. Keep dying because I have no farm. Can't contribute to ganks because if I even look at the other team I'm already dead. Everything that could go wrong did. I tried to smoke gank the Invoker mid with Centaur, guess what, he happened to start walking the other way and I couldn't catch him because I had no fucking boots because I had no farm.
I honestly have no idea how people play support, because every time I try it I just do terrible at it. The only games where I play support and win are under one of the following circumstances:
1. A teammate is snowballing out of control (Pudge, Terrorblade, etc.)
2. It's some really cheesy combo that works well (KotL + PL of old, Void + Skywrath, etc.)
3. The other team is lot worse than we are
4. Sheer force of luck
I don't know what it would be called for Firefox but I like Imagus for chrome. You hover over the link and it comes up in a smaller window until you hover off of it.
EDIT: Maybe this one?
@Hylian
Your team comp hurt you quite a bit since it looks like you were forced to buy all support items. I dunno, whenever I'm shadow shaman I just push towers with serpent wards.
I tried to do that and they fortified, Clockwerk hooked in, killed me and managed to get the deny on the tower while the wards were hitting it...
I go shadow blade. Push towers and catch out single enemies with the wards. Might not work on the pro scene, but pubs don't ward effectively enough if you rotate. Putting mech on such a fragile hero is also something of a waste.
Ain't nobody got farm for that though.
SteveWinwood
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Work on your positioning and map awareness. If you're dying that much it's because you're in places you're not supposed to be.
If you feel you're just a bit too squishy buy a quick and cheap casual bracer.
Dreams-Visions
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Do you feel like you played Shaman well in general? I'm not watching the replay but generally speaking, as Shaman you're only in the line of fire long enough to get off a hex and ether shock. drop wards when appropriate and only shackle when it's safe or wise (read: when you won't get instantly stunned out or murdered by an angry team...when your entire team is about to descend on the target or if it's needed to buy someone more important time arrive/escape/fight someone else). Your goal as support is to stick & move; not tank shots and lead charges. Get in, drop your shit, and kite around until your shit is off cooldown again unless it's safe to stand and autoattack.
As with anything, practice makes perfect. If you don't spend any time playing support, you won't get any better at it or comfortable with the alternate playstyle. Also, there's no reason to gank with a hero that doesn't have some sort of range stun if you don't yet have boots. If you want to gank Invoker mid as Centaur, either your mid needs a way to disable them, you need to come in from his high ground while he's in the river (such that they can't get away), or you need a support with a disable to go with you to set you up. Or maybe just pick a support that's...you know...a support. That can roam better. Lastly, maybe you should practice lane control, creep equilibrium and double pulling mechanics. There's no reason to be penniless unless you're not making good use of your time.
Watch some of Anuxi's old support training tutorials on YouTube and read some resources. You'll get it. Then comes practice. It's unacceptable to be thousands of games into your career and not be comfortable in any role. You can't have mid all the time, and you can't fucking suck when you're not mid. You can't be satisfied with that, and anything else is an excuse. And as my fraternity big brothers used to say during my pledging days,
"Excuses are monuments of nothingness, which build bridges that lead to nowhere. Those who use these tools of incompetence are masters of nothing."
There's no short cut to being good at any role in Dotes (or anything else in life). Accepting that you have "no idea how to play support" cannot be the final, acceptable analysis for you if your goal in general is to get better. No excuses. Put in your due diligence like everyone has to. You'll get it.
You lost the clowny trilane vs trilane at 2 minutes mainly because you were initiating wrong. An important skill of playing support is reading the lane you are in and appraising your strengths and weaknesses which should tell you how you need to play. In this case, initiating with shackles at level 1 against both a mirana arrow and kunkka's torrent was just a disaster waiting to happen, especially when your two allied heroes are melee. Trying to gank mid is good, but chasing an invoker with phase boots when you still don't have marchers is not. You canot play a support hero if you can't judge the situation you are in > every mistake gets paid cash.
As a support, it is generally early on that you will have the most impact, your skills are precious, you canot waste them. Patience is key. If you're having a nightmare start like in this game, you should recognize that your impact will be limited early on and focus on being efficient, aka please don't feed.
Dreams-Visions
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Dreams-Visions
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I simply refuse to believe shackles were taken level 1.
...and I'm not watching the replay, so I will simply believe that it didn't happen.
...and I'm not watching the replay, so I will simply believe that it didn't happen.
I think it just comes from lack of experience on a hero, I have gone for very bad skill builds in particular situations myself on some heroes I am not experienced with. In Hylian's defense, his logic was probably that shackles would be best to get an early kill in a 3v2 situation, he probably didn't expect three heroes in the lane. The decision making as a support is what he needs to work on.
Shackles first is fine in some situations, even in this one it could've worked out if it was used differently.
Yeah, although in this case they tried to go for a badly executed first blood with shackles right before Kunkka showed himself in lane.
The particular play I'm referencing in my first post is right after though. He has established that it is a doom/mirana/kunkka vs ss/centaur/bh trilane and yet chose to shackle the doom resulting in his death.
Shackles first is fine in some situations, even in this one it could've worked out if it was used differently.
Yeah, although in this case they tried to go for a badly executed first blood with shackles right before Kunkka showed himself in lane.
The particular play I'm referencing in my first post is right after though. He has established that it is a doom/mirana/kunkka vs ss/centaur/bh trilane and yet chose to shackle the doom resulting in his death.
With melee heroes that are also strangers? I can't see that doing anything unless you get really lucky, or the other team is really awful. It's also a good reason why you shouldn't skill until you get in lane.
Is there a way for me to search for pro games on dotabuff with clockwerk in them? Just randomed him, gave him a spin for the second time and totally destroyed my offlane, didn't miss a hook the entire game which was damn satisfying. No other hero I've played has the ability to fuck you from 3k units away out of absolutely nowhere. Wanting to watch some higher skilled players behind the wheel to pick up a little bit more about the hero.
Also I built treads and wand, was able to rush aghs because I got four kills in lane, then went blademail and AC. Smart choices?
Also I built treads and wand, was able to rush aghs because I got four kills in lane, then went blademail and AC. Smart choices?
Deep as fuck. Hope he listens to your advice. He never listens to mine.
Well, there's absolutely no point picking Shadow Shaman unless you're also taking Shackles early. Ether Shock does great damage for a level 1 skill and all, but you're not picking Shadow Shaman to harass, you're doing it to lock people down!