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Dota 2 |OT4| The saga of Vade and ReRixo: the Boat Anchors continues.
- Thread starter Teknopathetic
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Storm Spirit ban makes me sad 
Increase the cooldown and mana cost of both song and mirror image.
Increase the cooldown and mana cost of both song and mirror image.
He's actually a pretty hard carry. Not many heroes get a free 80 base damage on top of one of the best anti-carry abilities in the game that isn't purge-able by anything whatsoever. Don't forget he probably has the best overall base stats of any hero (factoring in his gains, MS, armor, regen, and a 1.5s BAT). Not to mention he's a melee carry that has the potential to become ranged (being melee is a huge crutch in dota that is usually balanced out by things like high MS, armor, or base damage). TB has all the benefits of being a melee hero without the drawback of being kited all the time), and he has the strongest "reliable" illusions in the game that can also be ranged and absorb his free 80 base damage putting them at near 100% of his melee damage early on.
He's a hard carry that is a monster at all stages of the game--early, mid, and late. It's a misconception to say he's bad in the late game simply because TB games NEVER go late because he's an insanely good early and mid-game hero as well, so most of the time you don't get to see a 6 slotted TB.
This is brought up a lot and it's not really a big deal at all for a hero like TB. At level 1-2, most magic nukes are going to tickle you, and with his insane base armor, regen, and MS, his survivability is better than most heroes at these early levels. He'll also pretty much always get guaranteed FB with reflection given that he has some sort of decent support behind him and that will give him a huge advantage in lane going forward (he'll get a small gold/xp adv. over you and then proceed to repeatedly kill). Beyond these levels, he's a hero that buys a shit ton of stat items to exponentially increase his damage and farm potential--this isn't ember spirit that never builds stats or AM who has to invest 4400g into a pure farming item.
TB fixes his HP problem rather quickly and you find yourself facing a ranged behemoth with 300 base damage, 30 armor, and multiple tanky ranged illusions that deal 180 damage each 25-30 minutes into the game LOL.
I think Draskyl unintentionally put it best regarding TB in the dumbest way possible: "TB is balanced because phoenix is in the game." Yeah, this is like saying 6.79 broodmother is balanced because earth spirit is in the game. I personally think TB is balanced because you can pick Lycan.
shira
Member
I'm disappointed he didn't dub miss steak as the wood tier.
radiance damage on illusions is decreased by 50%, supports shouldn't be dying trying to kill pushing illusions with heart.
Why shouldn't they be? Underfarmed support dying to overfarmed illusion hero attempting to do something heroically stupid and completely avoidable? What's the problem?Personally I think freakinchair (my go to mid or carry player) should be immune from dying from 20s chain stuns, hacking storm spirits, and Lion's finger of death, this shouldn't be happening.
Here are my TB suggestions:
- Make his slow scale with levels
- Increase the CD on his slow
- Reduce range on Sunder
- Increase BAT on his ranged form
- Reduce his stat gains
- Reduce his armor
- Make metamorphosis his ult(20/40/80 damage increase).
- Just remove this fucking hero(and phoenix) from the game.
- Make his slow scale with levels
- Increase the CD on his slow
- Reduce range on Sunder
- Increase BAT on his ranged form
- Reduce his stat gains
- Reduce his armor
- Make metamorphosis his ult(20/40/80 damage increase).
- Just remove this fucking hero(and phoenix) from the game.
Yeah screw split pushing I can't believe 3-5 heroes out of 100 can play the game a little differently than group up at 10 minutes and push/team-fight. So fkn dumb man, it's not like 90% of competitive games are deathball push strats; it's not like Lycan, the model of a split-pusher has been played strictly as a 5 man pusher in competitive to rack up the wins. I agree completely that any trace of what's left of this cancerous thing called "split-push," better called "rat-dota" needs to be quashed and I would like to see 5 man dota become even stronger, I really hate diversity and different strategies counter-balancing each other in my dota.
Fuck obviously valid strats.
You can nerf the bird, but you can't take him from meee
Glad you agree
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
Woo Team wipe! Gooo Trixi <3
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
NOW people are complaining about Phoenix? So fucking late.
Well, at least you can pick Silencer against Phoenix and crap on her hard. TB is way more annoying.
ToyMachine228
Member
I haven't been paying much attention to the inside talk...What are the rumors about what update/event/new heroes we're going to see next?
Never, game is dead.
People didn't immediately complain about Earth Spirit despite being in Dota 1 for months. Even when he hit Dota 2 nobody complained about him until that Jerax video came out (I was saying he seemed OP before that)
dying to ancients at 20 minutes, new meta.
yeah earth even got nerfed BEFORE most people caught on to him being ridiculously broken.
yeah earth even got nerfed BEFORE most people caught on to him being ridiculously broken.
I don't mind split push strats or even flat out rat dota, but fuck tinker.
That is all.
Yeah, he got that slap on the wrist Grip range nerf. I think he got one in Dota 1 if I remember correctly.
Another hater to be friends with Procarbine.
Three haters
Yea.. And cleave from BF ignores armor too huh? What if they made the bonus damage on slight magical? That's probably a huge nerf... They'd have to make it much stronger in the early game. Didn't they make a bunch of balance changes on ember in DOTA 1? I still think he's balanced. good hero.
I love these games where you're almost giving up but then everything works out better than expected. Shadow Shaman, Death Prophet and Nature's Prophet on the other team, keep loosing towers in the beginning, ready to give up and bam start winning fights, keep lanes pushed and win the game.
I think Ember shouldn't be able to hit heroes hiding in the fog.
Yea I agree with that, but there'd have to be a logical explanation for why some skills can hit enemies in fog and some can't.
ie. DPs ghosts.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
That Empire vs. Fnatic game 3 was quite a match.
Marauder Shields
Member
I actually really enjoy rat dota/split pushing so I can't say I agree.
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
same, not my fault the enemy team is too busy farming heroes to realize that they just lost 3 towers.
taking down towers solo is really satisfying too.
balladofwindfishes
Member
There's some pretty substantial work done on Pit Lord and Techies (less so Techies). Also we usually get our last major balance change before the International around this time every year.
Technosteve
Banned
are they going to nerf the wolves again, great job liquid.
shira
Member
Not with the mute ban epidemic
Love that every team that plays vs Fnatic insta bans the Wisp
Thats some heavy respect man
Ember AND Storm. Gonna be GOOOD
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
LOL dat Trixi GG drawn on the mini map at H4nn1's 24minute Heart after getting BF and AC ROFL!
TB might be OP but you are vastly exaggerating his ability to withstand nukes. I think it's important to be honest with a character's disadvantages, no matter how powerful they are otherwise. Heroes like Sand King will crunch TB every time unless TB is running around with a heart.
Think pros forgot how OP Alch is when u just leave him alone to farm. He doesnt have midas either
They had to commit 4 heroes and 30 secs to kill him solo