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Dota 2 |OT4| The saga of Vade and ReRixo: the Boat Anchors continues.
- Thread starter Teknopathetic
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Sorry but I have to disagree completely. Part of what makes TB so powerful is his early laning, dota is a snowball game after all, and I don't think much of anything compares with TB dual or trilanes. His base HP pool is enough to survive level 1-2 nukes and his high armor + a shield + high regen make right clicking him average around 10-25 damage. The SK will get his asshole torn open repeatedly in a dual or trilane and TB will have a quick treads + drums or treads + yasha that already give him much more survivability than most heroes.
Let's also not forget that with reflection being so good at level 1, TB has the luxury of being able to spam stats after he maxes conjure image/meta and this also solves his deficiencies rather quickly. I guess what I'm trying to say is yes, while he does have a little less HP than the majority of heroes at levels 1-3, these are negated very quickly considering the rest of his base stat kit, his item build, and his skill build.
TB has around the same health as SF, Luna, Weaver, Medusa, Clinkz, and Sniper, and of that group he's one of the most equipped to minimize said weakness fairly quickly (not to mention it's partially off-set by his high MS, armor, regen; his ability to dump points into stats fairly quickly and as an illusion hero he has the added advantage of exponentially increasing both his damage and survivability with stat items). In my opinion, this vulnerability is far too small/minor to bring down the hero on it's own, he needs a few other "weaknesses" like the majority of other heroes in dota (whether that be more scaling, mana management, farm reliance, etc...). He's no more vulnerable to nukes than most other agi heroes, it's not an "omg wow" glaring weakness like with SF's mobility or CK's mana issues.
Want to make TB's hp pool a glaring weakness? Give him 11 or 12 base strength at level 1 and up his str gain from 1.9 to 2.0. The hero deserves plenty of nerfs in the form of expanding his vulnerabilities and adding to his weaknesses and this is coming from the biggest TB fanboy ever for 8 years counting.
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
WOOO thats such an awesome win! Ahhh that draft had me going.. wut? but then saw h4nn1 get free farm and seeing how they were able to shut down silent and resolution. Man what a game 
Would you like to point out where, exactly, in my post that I said lane SK against TB?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
They really need to trim the fat from these DreamLeague casts. Bruno is fine for stats and after the game discussion but should not be present at all in the casting and this other guy, whose name I don't know, is just entirely useless and does nothing but offer stupid tangents that detract from the cast. You don't need someone useless to be there and ask dumb questions for newer players, the people with game knowledge just need to be more regular with discussing basic concepts. Listening to DreamLeague these days is like being in Mumble while we watch a game, just some people talking while dota is on.
Edit: The guy is Shane.
Edit: The guy is Shane.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Seems like there's been a huge glut of competitive Dota in the past few weeks (multiple matches worth watching each day.) It's kind of overwhelming.
Is it just the lead-up to TI4 with tons of tournaments wrapping up ahead of invites/qualifiers? Just seems like too much to keep up with.
Is it just the lead-up to TI4 with tons of tournaments wrapping up ahead of invites/qualifiers? Just seems like too much to keep up with.
Agreed.
I don't even know what people want from the game anymore. They don't like the death ball. They don't like farming. They don't like split pushing...
A lot of these suggestions for nerfs sound more like "I'm tired of this hero being popular in the pro-scene right now" than actual consideration for overall balance. It's like the people that wanted Luna nerfs when she was really trending in picks even though we all know that the pro scene is very susceptible to flavours of the month.
I am quite happy with the direction Dota has been going and I'm glad to see so many heroes are seeing a lot of use. We didn't have nearly this diversity last year or the year before and it's not just because of the larger hero pool either.
Obviously this doesn't apply to heroes not in captain's mode. I would like to see a few tweaks to Terrorblade myself.
I assumed as much because stopping TB's early game is basically the only way to stop the hero (hence why Phoenix is so good against). Aight well anyway I'll answer your specific hypothetical with an equally bombshell argument.
You: SK wrecks TB in the mid-game.
Me: SK doesn't wreck TB in the mid-game.
We cover all grounds of the argument?
I agree.
Casts should be made up of two people max. One for the action shots and live action commentary, and one to compliment the first with thoughtful discussion during the down times in the game.
In my opinion Aeysee & Tralf with D2L were a great example of how to cast properly.
The recent BTS cast where they brought in DeMoN halfway through to talk with LD and the other guys just turned into a shit show. Three people is too much.
Get a room or 1v1 each other or somethin man iunno
bro dont worry im guna 1v1 milk irl at ti4 but im not down to get a room there because I might wake up missing a penis, testicle, or both.
They need to ditch Lumi. I don't want to hear about the damned game. All the rest of the stuff rules.
I feel it worked better when they had PFlax. He seemed to know when to shut up and when to prompt Draskyll into saying something good. I assume he could work like that with Lumi too. It was like a normal dual-cast with a funny guy to occasionally jump in, but with restraint.
a penis?
Don't think even Milkman would want your diseased dick.
Schweinehund
Member
just pick lycan ez win against tb.
It's ok friends, Freudian envy is only natural
. No harsh feelings.See that's what I'm saying man, TB is balanced because of Lycan and Lycan is balanced because of TB. They are both OK.
Mutually assured pushstruction
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Would you like to point out where, exactly, in my post that I said TB is immune to nukes?
All I'm trying to claim is that people tend to exaggerate his HP weakness and the impact/effectiveness of nukers like Lina in a lane against TB at level 1-2 (where he can outright kill you most of the time). But TB can in fact lose games and doesn't have 100% winrate, who knew? Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Schweinehund
Member
9 days until Dark Souls 2. You gonna deliver before time runs out Icefraud?
They are so damn long. I hate tucking polos but I can't see any other way to wear them
Dark Souls sets for Doto
Yes, I would have ordered mediums if I could re-order.
They are so damn long. I hate tucking polos but I can't see any other way to wear them
Yes, I would have ordered mediums if I could re-order.
DS2 came out over a month ago. :huh
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
MMMmmaybe you ban the Tiny, rather than the Wisp (if you even ban that.)
TONY SMASH
TONY SMASH
Shorty11857
Member
So Fnatic seem like they want to start playing decently again, on fire today