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Dota 2 |OT5| TECHIES!!!
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Shorty11857
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I'd imagine Fnatic will make an announcement at some point, seems like it's medical though I'd imagine
Some experts on Swedish culture on reddit have been claiming he was busy celebrating his graduation when he missed the Summit
lol i know that feel
Well not for Fnatic ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Lactose_Intolerant
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All those sensual backrubs finally caught up with him
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
DP is pretty bad once you know how to play dota and play against people that know how to play dota, but before that she's pretty ok.
Her main issue is that she's only a threat when her ulti is up, otherwise she's nothing. She also has to stay alive for the entire duration of this ultimate to get value from it, if she dies early, or immediately, it can be a huge waste. You also have to stay in range of your targets, so if you use this ultimate from a defensive position you rely on your team to lock the enemy in place, as nothing you can do will stop them from just turning around and walking away when they see it. Euls and atos are options here with euls being the vastly more common item. Going back to point one, if your opponent doesn't know to run away it helps immensely.
Compare this to other ulti dependent mids DK and Brew: DK has a lot of inherent tankiness, picks up ms/stun utility, and gains range to keep himself safer. Brew makes himself very hard to kill because of the nature of split, so much so that he's hardly considered a target unless completely alone or they have tons of items. Dp just has to rely entirely on positioning and farm, which isn't impossible, but is more demanding.
Compare exorcism with spells like qop and zeus ultimates, they get value immediately.
Responding point by point:
1) Yeah she has a pretty decent nuke. Comparable to DK, better at killing creeps early than Zeus, worse than SF.
2) She has a silence, yes, but consider that you MUST max your passive beforehand, so you're only going to be carrying a 3 second silence for the first 11 levels. Nothing impressive here, many people find it hard to land optimally as well. The most popular build in pubs doesn't even pick up silence until 10, which is just awful.
3) She's only tanky because of them items she buys, otherwise all she has going for her is some passive ms. If you get behind early you're going to stay behind, you'll be easy to kill and that ultimate paints a huge target on your head. See above discussion on her ultimate.
4) I'm not sure what this means. I'm guessing you're saying that when you run away with ultimate up people chase you and die, which falls under the first line of this post.
5) Only pushes well when her ultimate is up. If you choose to use the ultimate to take a lone tower without a fight, which isn't always a bad decision, you lose your team fight ability for two minutes. Similar to ss wards but with double the CD.
6) Yes.
All that being said I like dp and enjoy playing her, but I can't find a reason to lately. There's nothing she does that I wouldn't pick another hero to do better.
Slow day this morning. And god dammit era, there goes my fantasy team.
Her main issue is that she's only a threat when her ulti is up, otherwise she's nothing. She also has to stay alive for the entire duration of this ultimate to get value from it, if she dies early, or immediately, it can be a huge waste. You also have to stay in range of your targets, so if you use this ultimate from a defensive position you rely on your team to lock the enemy in place, as nothing you can do will stop them from just turning around and walking away when they see it. Euls and atos are options here with euls being the vastly more common item. Going back to point one, if your opponent doesn't know to run away it helps immensely.
Compare this to other ulti dependent mids DK and Brew: DK has a lot of inherent tankiness, picks up ms/stun utility, and gains range to keep himself safer. Brew makes himself very hard to kill because of the nature of split, so much so that he's hardly considered a target unless completely alone or they have tons of items. Dp just has to rely entirely on positioning and farm, which isn't impossible, but is more demanding.
Compare exorcism with spells like qop and zeus ultimates, they get value immediately.
Responding point by point:
1) Yeah she has a pretty decent nuke. Comparable to DK, better at killing creeps early than Zeus, worse than SF.
2) She has a silence, yes, but consider that you MUST max your passive beforehand, so you're only going to be carrying a 3 second silence for the first 11 levels. Nothing impressive here, many people find it hard to land optimally as well. The most popular build in pubs doesn't even pick up silence until 10, which is just awful.
3) She's only tanky because of them items she buys, otherwise all she has going for her is some passive ms. If you get behind early you're going to stay behind, you'll be easy to kill and that ultimate paints a huge target on your head. See above discussion on her ultimate.
4) I'm not sure what this means. I'm guessing you're saying that when you run away with ultimate up people chase you and die, which falls under the first line of this post.
5) Only pushes well when her ultimate is up. If you choose to use the ultimate to take a lone tower without a fight, which isn't always a bad decision, you lose your team fight ability for two minutes. Similar to ss wards but with double the CD.
6) Yes.
All that being said I like dp and enjoy playing her, but I can't find a reason to lately. There's nothing she does that I wouldn't pick another hero to do better.
Slow day this morning. And god dammit era, there goes my fantasy team.
NEXT TIME YOU BACK UP YOUR OWN STATEMENTS KARD
This actually makes me think an Aghs upgrade on her would push her into top tier. She can already secure a good amount of farm with crypt swarm and she benefits from the stats given by Aghs. Maybe a cooldown reduction/damage increase upgrade? A cooldown reduction/% slow added to ghost damage upgrade? Would both of these just be totally OP?
Phase/Drums/Deso and farm heroes. Cast track whenever it is off cooldown and secure kills. Max Shuriken first, it is such a great nuke.
SteveWinwood
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His winrate went down when they removed battlefury from the recommended item lists, so pubs were right all along.
Somebody on stream said he was only going to miss ESL and not TI.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
She is sorely lacking an ags and it could help her a lot, I'd imagine she's high on icefrog's list to get one as she fits the mold perfectly. CDR is a likely addition, but I doubt there would be any damage increase. Maybe a slow, but my guess would be something to do with the heal, maybe get it as the ghosts fly back to you betweent attacks rather than all at the end, or maybe a percentage of it. That would be cool.
Hes obviously not student of the week.
Dont forget about the extra damage you get from shadow walk either
Hit from invis - invis - hit again is a shit load of damage, especially early game
Hmm, that heal idea sounds rad. I love aghs upgrades that change the ulti in unexpected ways (like Razors that allows it to damage buildings) instead of just straight CD reduction/damage increase.
Well everyone already listed the impractical ones so I'll give you two that have strong lanes and aren't pigeon holed into teamfights only.
WD support + Enigma jungle + Tide offlane
OR
WD support + SK jungle + DS offlane
Choose your carry and midlaner of choice, depending on where you want to go with the lineup.
DP with an aghs upgrade maybe too broken. But im all for some kind of upgrade to her ult that makes it work with other abilities.
My biggest problem are the spirits just move around an AoE and dmg is spread out. With aghs, u could probably direct it towards a target point with crypt swarm? That way the spirits could actually be used as a stronger nuke to kill heroes. This would be more useful than dmg increase/cd reduction.
My biggest problem are the spirits just move around an AoE and dmg is spread out. With aghs, u could probably direct it towards a target point with crypt swarm? That way the spirits could actually be used as a stronger nuke to kill heroes. This would be more useful than dmg increase/cd reduction.
SteveWinwood
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The spirits go to whatever you right click.
Dunno if there's any truth to it or not, but people on reddit saying CWM said on stream that Era is just missing ESL, but will be at TI. Rumored he's had some sort of chronic medical issue.
Kinda conflicts with his tweet, but twitter is king of misunderstandings after all.
Also DP sucks donkey balls. I'd rather have spiritbreaker on my team to be honest. That is all.
Kinda conflicts with his tweet, but twitter is king of misunderstandings after all.
Also DP sucks donkey balls. I'd rather have spiritbreaker on my team to be honest. That is all.
Yeah, but most enemies can kite that and run away as the spirits take time to change target. If it essentially adds on to your crypt swarm dmg in a specific direction (meaning more dmg the furthur away u are from DP) u could nuke down someone faster.
Train of Midnight
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how can you NOT like death waifu?
Dem legs
ScottSullivan
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I don't know that I agree that DP is useless when her ult is not up(which is almost every team fight and push it seems like)
I'm no dota pro, but it seems like the nuke does great damage in a team fight mid game and a silence is always good
I'm no dota pro, but it seems like the nuke does great damage in a team fight mid game and a silence is always good
Shorty11857
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If he was going to go to TI I'm not sure why he wouldn't say it in his tweet, the whole thing seems really strange.
I mean Dreamleague is tomorrow, seems crazy to wait until the day before to announce something like this so vaguely
SteveWinwood
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Someone on Reddit mentioned cystic fibrosis which in my uneducated opinion is a pretty good guess. If I remember right it's a pretty high carrier rate in Jewish populations and he seems to have "the flu" every other week.
manfestival
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can someone change the title of the thread?
Make the ghosts move faster maybe?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
That's just a different way to say damage, although I guess it would make it a touch more reliable. Unlikely I think.
My problem with DP is that she just pops spirits to take down a tower or fight and these are the most likely scenarios:
1) Best case scenario: You take a tower, yay! But the enemy team isn't stupid, and they immediately initiate or push after the tower falls because they know DP ulti is down for another minute+. You fucking lost.
2) Second best case scenario: You see a teamfight coming, you pop ulti, and you win the teamfight! But by the time you get to their base and they respawn, your ulti is down and so you fucking lost.
3) They have someone like KOTL or lina and clear the creep wave so you can't take the tower. Shit, you didn't get the tower and your ulti is down, you fucking lost.
4) You see a teamfight coming, you pop ulti, and they run away. You fucking lost.
5) You pop ulti and die immediately. You fucking lost.
Either way, you fucking lost. To me it's like if Lycan or Alch could only transform once every 115s and the uptime was a measly ~25%. DK is most comparable I guess, but DK ulti has an uptime of over 50% and the hero has an amazing stun and with blink, shadowblade, or a roam, he can set up kills outside of ulti. TB meta is also comparable but TB is just a much better hero overall and meta isn't even his ultimate (and even meta has a higher relative uptime ~37% compared to DP's 26%).
Also this isn't a Shadow Shaman or Sand King "wasting" ulti. Yeah it sucks when a support prematurely ults, but he's still a 4 or 5 support. DP is your core, she's a 1 or 2. And when one of your two cores is useless for 85 seconds... yeah, you fucking lost.
1) Best case scenario: You take a tower, yay! But the enemy team isn't stupid, and they immediately initiate or push after the tower falls because they know DP ulti is down for another minute+. You fucking lost.
2) Second best case scenario: You see a teamfight coming, you pop ulti, and you win the teamfight! But by the time you get to their base and they respawn, your ulti is down and so you fucking lost.
3) They have someone like KOTL or lina and clear the creep wave so you can't take the tower. Shit, you didn't get the tower and your ulti is down, you fucking lost.
4) You see a teamfight coming, you pop ulti, and they run away. You fucking lost.
5) You pop ulti and die immediately. You fucking lost.
Either way, you fucking lost. To me it's like if Lycan or Alch could only transform once every 115s and the uptime was a measly ~25%. DK is most comparable I guess, but DK ulti has an uptime of over 50% and the hero has an amazing stun and with blink, shadowblade, or a roam, he can set up kills outside of ulti. TB meta is also comparable but TB is just a much better hero overall and meta isn't even his ultimate (and even meta has a higher relative uptime ~37% compared to DP's 26%).
Also this isn't a Shadow Shaman or Sand King "wasting" ulti. Yeah it sucks when a support prematurely ults, but he's still a 4 or 5 support. DP is your core, she's a 1 or 2. And when one of your two cores is useless for 85 seconds... yeah, you fucking lost.
User 85168
Banned
Medallion is really good too! Gives you -Armor and some mana regen you desperately need.
i solved who icefrog isnt
I knew it all along
What if DP aghs turned her ethereal during her ulti? Immune to physical damage, but still easily countered by a lina or lion or something....
can you use eblade and bkb at the same time? probably not, bkb dispells it i guess.
It would make her pretty good last pick material against certain line ups.
can you use eblade and bkb at the same time? probably not, bkb dispells it i guess.
It would make her pretty good last pick material against certain line ups.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Go back to ur trenchtier plz.
Copper tier forever stuck at 4.8k. The more i go up the worse i seems to play, but at least most games are enjoyable outside from the random no timewalk void or some shit.
SteveWinwood
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What happened to ez mmr sniper?
My brother swears that PA is completely overpowered and broken. I always tell him that you don't see her in tournaments for a reason.
Time to get lectured on a new crazy reason on why she's the best char in the game, lol.
Am I wrong in that a Heaven's Halberd shuts down basically any pub PA's?
I had a game yesterday where a dazzle maxed shallow grave before putting 1 point into slow. Dota will always surprise you.
I wouldn't be surprised if I was low priority today or globally muted.
SteveWinwood
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Being broken is a stretch. But she's pretty damn strong.
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