By that logic, everything ever discussed outside of the relevant party's eyesight / earshot is pointless.
Probably shouldn't discuss politics on this board anymore because relevant people in power aren't engaging in it with us.
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By that logic, everything ever discussed outside of the relevant party's eyesight / earshot is pointless.
Probably shouldn't discuss politics on this board anymore because relevant people in power aren't engaging in it with us.
Welcome to the interwebs, where you're a drop in the ocean and your opinions don't matter.
call_kotaku
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I think people would care more if this happened in a game that wasn't just about deciding which team gets a chance to compete with other teams for a chance to be the first team eliminated from the TI4 bracket. Collusion in a grand finals is different than playing awful in one game in the qualifier for the qualifier for a tournament.
It's a difference of severity, but it's still the same issue.
rhophiehalul78
Member
What's the point of voting for the next Arcana if I don't have a chance to acquire one since I'm not willing to spend 30$ on a single set item? 
It's ironic!
What's the point of voting for the next Arcana if I don't have a chance to acquire one since I'm not willing to spend 30$ on a single set item?
You might get it as a drop.
Or maybe someone will buy one for you as a birthday gift.
shira
Member
I'm surpised she doesn't have a dedicated ass cam, tip jar, and biggest D of the month
Buy me an arcana haly. It was my birthday in February.
And you're adding to it. Congrats!
How about you stop being a white knight pseudo mod and leave it be then? Comparing it to a war where millions of people died is quite the stretch and borderline disrespectful/inappropriate. I don't get your holier than thou "I'm above everyone else" attitude. All of this is completely on topic actually, and you have no authority on telling people what they can and cannot do as long as they are staying on topic. So if you have nothing else to add, then just stay out of it how about?
Renoir
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bcuz gamer girls+tits = teh clicks = $
lol i watch her, as well as that girl that look like noel easton..
so i guess that strategy does work
Prophet Steve
Member
I guess I'm just disappointed in them, I expect better you know.
I've never forgiven Stephano in sc2 for the shit he pulled with Bratok with both players trying to lose a series at assembly to avoid having to face Sen the next round who neither thought they could beat if they won. Yes it was dumb of the tournament to have it set up so players knew who they faced if they won or lost but that series were some of the worst games and the fact that both players admitted they knew what they were doing was a disgrace.
This isn't quite the same thing but it irks me when people don't play to their best. They could have been plenty silly while still going for the throat full on. As ahead as they were they coulda spelled shit in wards, played tictactoe on the map etc etc. I want Liquid to care about every game because while they aren't my favorites I care about watching them.
On another note I am pleased to see all the Witch doctor and disruptor ^-^
They make for really fun games. Also loving the recent uptick in Dark Seer all over the place. Most of my favorite heroes are getting lots of play time lately and god willing I will learn something from all this observing.
I've never forgiven Stephano in sc2 for the shit he pulled with Bratok with both players trying to lose a series at assembly to avoid having to face Sen the next round who neither thought they could beat if they won. Yes it was dumb of the tournament to have it set up so players knew who they faced if they won or lost but that series were some of the worst games and the fact that both players admitted they knew what they were doing was a disgrace.
This isn't quite the same thing but it irks me when people don't play to their best. They could have been plenty silly while still going for the throat full on. As ahead as they were they coulda spelled shit in wards, played tictactoe on the map etc etc. I want Liquid to care about every game because while they aren't my favorites I care about watching them.
On another note I am pleased to see all the Witch doctor and disruptor ^-^
They make for really fun games. Also loving the recent uptick in Dark Seer all over the place. Most of my favorite heroes are getting lots of play time lately and god willing I will learn something from all this observing.
Ummm, pretty sure I already own this item from like over a year ago lol.
Didn't Naniwa legit walk out on a series not too long ago?
Didn't Naniwa legit walk out on a series not too long ago?
Tournaments should be designed in such a way that there is always something to play for. A better tournament setup would have been a round robin where 3rd plays 4th, winner plays 2nd, winner plays 1st in the grand finals.
Ummm, pretty sure I already own this item from like over a year ago lol.
Yeah, its like an extended stalwart sentinel
call_kotaku
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It's not the same thing as colluding with the opponent in an important match (MLG LoL ARAM scandal, FGC pot splits) or purposely playing a completely awful game just to make a statement (Naniwa vs Nestea, various Idra ragequits), because Liquid were in a situation where it was in their best interests to both lose and not draft anything they might use later, and they just ended up throwing the game way harder than they should have. The question of whether or not a competitor has to play their best even if it's working against their own interests is a different issue, and it's harder to enforce and it's a bit of a gray area for a lot of people.
SteveWinwood
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This was just to find out who would even get to be in the top four though. You can't completely avoid a tie with each team playing each other once without imposing a time or score rule which would change the way the games were played in the first place. What you're suggesting is more or less happening tomorrow: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2014/Americas_Qualifiers#Stage_Two (double elimination for 2nd place, but pretty close)
Also eHug's super classy response to the whole thing: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/25iow0/team_ehug_ti4_na_qualifier_postmortem/
shira
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The lion fish stck is the only one we know of
http://cdn.dota2.com/apps/dota2/images/international2014/compendium/bg_06.jpg
They should have just bowed out of the tournament after the forfeit. What a waste of time and investment of money.
Ok I get IRL stuff comes first, but why would they bother to keep playing. This IRL stuff was obviously more important.
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
muh blood sugar levels BibleThump
SteveWinwood
Member
One game loss doesn't automatically put them out. Especially with those teams. It ultimately mattered, but giving up after not making 1 game out of 10 is not the right call.
I wonder if all these perfect world items will be a tie in to the Chinese qualifiers, or if the timing is just coincidental.
Maybe we can get those nice e-club wards during the sea qualy. Hey, that's an idea for valve, sell some real cosmetics that will also raise the prize pool.
Also, both zepher and mvp submitted pennants yesterday, maybe nexon pulled a few strings to get them in (or the teams are simply optimistic)
Maybe we can get those nice e-club wards during the sea qualy. Hey, that's an idea for valve, sell some real cosmetics that will also raise the prize pool.
Also, both zepher and mvp submitted pennants yesterday, maybe nexon pulled a few strings to get them in (or the teams are simply optimistic)
The managers/higherups would've probably been against it as well.
Ummm, pretty sure I already own this item from like over a year ago lol.
Didn't Naniwa legit walk out on a series not too long ago?
sc2 has lots of dramas
Naniwa probe rushed nestea in a game that technically didn't matter since both of them were out of the running anyways but it was still a prestigious tournament and a lot of players would have given a great deal to be there and played every game seriously regardless. There was lots of outcry over that on both sides of the argument.
Also there was a point in that tournament where I think DRG faced Mc and if DRG won Stephano was through but if MC won he was through. The game was wonky and there was brief talk of DRG throwing to ensure a fellow korean got through.
Naniwa did just forfeit a recent tournament after his proxy failed in the first game. No one was happy about that because if he really didn't want to be at that tournament he needed to put his foot down earlier. He'd bailed on a lot of tournaments in the past because he wasn't in the mood or wanted to practice instead.
Not the first time it's sorta happened though, he once left an IEM having "quit" his group because of pc lag costing his a game or something. He got rounded up by Rotterdam I think , went back, played the games and won his group because he's Naniwa and he throws fits a lot but he's talented.
Watching his recent fall from grace hurt a lot because I always maintained that behind his stubborn attitude and tendency to create drama was someone who genuinely cared about the game. When he tried he really tried and when he pulled off crazy clutch wins you saw what it meant to him.
* Has too many feels*
Liquid also the whole Ret trying to fuck Naniwa over at dreamhack l a while back by trying to lose because he himself couldn't win but he thought if his opponent did it would put him over Nani. ( Turns out that was wrong, Nani was through regardless and liquid came down kinda heavy on Ret for it)
I dunno I just have a lot of weird feelings about Esports and what it means for me. Things like Boxer staying late at MLG to practice after having a horrible start to the tournament only to go on an epic run the next day and return his fan's faith in him really meant something.
To me goofing off has always just been an elaborate way of killing an opponent who is already dead. Nukes from terrans, Mass dagons etc. Something the fans can enjoy but something that ends an already won game in a quick but flashy way.
It just gets confusing you know. You have teams that will stay paused as long as possible for other teams if something goes wrong or who will not attack someone who dc/d.( I think that was a fnatic game recently where someone gave up a sure kill because the enemy player's pc went nuts but they hadn't properly dc'd yet) but then this happens.
I just wish there was a clearer line of when is it okay to take advantage of a morally ambiguous situation and when is it not. Or is that all just up to individual teams?
I can understand why Liquid made the choice they did it doesn't make it feel any better.
He's casting the EU games, think he's annoyed that have all this talent and most of them just want to sit around on the couch.
Also that he had to stay behind and cast as the only caster in the joindota studio.
Marauder Shields
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I don't think he should be upset at the EU Hub guys tbh. If anything he should be upset that more people are interested in watching a reality TV style show as opposed to a show that provides legit coverage of the NA qualifiers. EU Hub are just providing a different style of coverage, which is a good thing imo. In the end it's up to the viewers to decide what type of coverage they value more.
Well I guess I got my answer quicker than expected.
and by quicker I mean already. I hope he talks with them about this.
This was in relation to the Naniwa Nestea match, I know they don't stand for this now I hope there will be some follow up.
and by quicker I mean already. I hope he talks with them about this.
This was in relation to the Naniwa Nestea match, I know they don't stand for this now I hope there will be some follow up.
tsunami643
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eHug doesn't have any 'higher-ups' to speak of. The team's composition is pretty much just the players and the founders/partners. No sponsors to answer to. Just a couple of dudes with money to burn.
What extra money is spent by staying in a online tournament for one additional day...? You'd throw the chance to get into the International over one match out of ten?
What's the point of voting for the next Arcana if I don't have a chance to acquire one since I'm not willing to spend 30$ on a single set item?
You get to see a new Arcana! That's exciting in and of itself. I'll probably never buy an Arcana no matter how good it is, $35 is crazy steep for me. I just like seeing what Valve comes up with for these things.
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
It is something that is quite interesting. But you know what, if it works for them, and they get viewers and they enjoy it, then that's all that matters. I tune into AsiaAmores stream every so often and see how's she's doing.
I watch dota to try to find ways to improve my game, so I tend to stick to streamers that I can pick up advanced tips from. Artour, dendi, waga, merlili for example.
But some watch for entertainment, kittehs or pretty ladies.
Sigismundo
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I'm type 1 diabetic and may or may not be offended by this post.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/659186391
how the hell does mirana feed so much in lane against 2 melee heroes
why do people that play mirana never use their fucking ult to intiate
why is abaddon chasing an sf and a tiny on own his with literally 0 ways kill them or even do any damage
fucking mirana goes to farm mid at the tier 1 tower area after they killed rosh... i swear the dumbest people play this game.. no common sense.. nothing
how the hell does mirana feed so much in lane against 2 melee heroes
why do people that play mirana never use their fucking ult to intiate
why is abaddon chasing an sf and a tiny on own his with literally 0 ways kill them or even do any damage
fucking mirana goes to farm mid at the tier 1 tower area after they killed rosh... i swear the dumbest people play this game.. no common sense.. nothing
Spot on.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
Except the teams playing for potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars?
This. For the SEA and EU qualifiers I will definitely watch the casts.
I've just about had it with Dota. The string of games I encountered today have me pretty close to the breaking point. Nothing even pub related. Just the same group of chuckleheads I always play with but boy oh fucking boy have we found a new depth in the trench.
shira
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I'm sad that Cyborgmatt won't make a tracker for her QoP cosplay at TI4.
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She only got $10 today : <
Nope.
Any KlK fans in here?
I hope not.
Someone told me this was a good show.
They lied.
rhophiehalul78
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Are they your friends IRL?
I realize dota can bring out the inner demons you will not usually see on your everyday friends (not talking about feeding but about raging and blaming).
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