MurkyZebra2417
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Medusa will be secret winner of TI4. Too stronk. Snake is imba, All her skills are OP.
You will see!
You will see!
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SteveWinwood
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Chaos Knight
He's worthless by himself. Needs major buff.
He's worthless by himself. Needs major buff.
gtfo
Dreams-Visions
Member
. some haters in here.
hey fuck you too buddy!!
lol. anyway, my list would be:
> Omni (best against heavy right-click lineups...but such lineups aren't in the meta right now, nor are melee supports)
> Ogre (see above)
> CK (too many better melee carry options that offer much more to a team fight)
> Troll (see above)
> Brood (is she in CM?)
> Warlock (meh)
mastershake
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I think CK is a clear choice... after that it gets kinda hard.
Maybe WR? Where does she even fit in this meta? rtz tried to run her mid but that died out fast it seems
DP?
Maybe WR? Where does she even fit in this meta? rtz tried to run her mid but that died out fast it seems
DP?
Dreams-Visions
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DP is getting plenty of run. Plenty.
WR is having a hard time fitting in, yes. But she's not dumpster-tier.
no. but she has seen some pretty shit builds.
I don't understand how you can cast a game for years and still be so clueless.
I mean, all these little mis-calls are one thing. Going past that tier is him saying "dust slows" when Dendi (presumably) fat-fingered it against a Clockwerk.
How do you even come to that conclusion? How would you even THINK dust slows non-invisible units without every single teamfight in professional Dota2 being a dust spamfest? I just don't get it. He simply doesn't understand the game yet keeps getting invited back to shit up events that would otherwise be stellar to watch.
yup
Dusa I just don't like. And CK I feel is in one of the worst states ever as a hero right now. Enormous mana problems (more so than any hero in the game, arguably), lots of RNG, can't flash farm, has a long ass animation time on rift so it almost always gets fogged, and he is melee (more susceptible to kiting, big ulti's, and the tidehunter effect). He just has too many drawbacks as a carry. He's not that great without much farm, but at the same time, if he tries to farm and go semi-late, he's going to get outfarmed by pretty much ANY other carry in the game.
I actually think since the buff to his slow Warlock is really damn strong. His heal does a ton of damage/healing too. I think he just isn't trending.
Dreams-Visions
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The same way people play the game for thousands of matched and are still clueless? There are on the order of hundreds of random-ass interactions that make up Dota 2's ebb and flow. In addition, attempting to keep the camera on the right spots at the right time and providing some color commentary when there's just an explosion of color suddenly on the fucking screen isn't easy. If it was, more people would be decent at it. As he plays the game more, expect him to get better at calling some of those things. Until then, have a little empathy and pretend you know what he meant to say. Man is doing his best.
Could be. The problem is he's really only good at counter-initiation and counter-push in this meta because he's not a blink dagger purchaser. this isn't to say he *can't* be run with a blink dagger, and the shit could be super-cool. But...in the context of this meta...there are better counter-push heroes. Ones that aren't shut down by a single diffusal blade purchase. If you could force teams to come into him with like a blinking force staffing bat rider, he could be useful. But again, that's a role Tide can fill and a little bit better, IMO.
SteveWinwood
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how will envy warm his hands now
Don't play CK as a carry then, problem solved.
Dreams-Visions
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Are you suggesting playing him like how Wraith King is being played? Sort of a support that can scale into big damage dealing later? Blink daggers and soul rings for early aggression into mantas and hearts, perhaps? Maybe even sheep?
manfestival
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This just gives me more of a reason to hate EE if anything. EE is the worst
Support CK would be like a shitty Venge.
Because he's complaining he can't use the bathroom? Wat
Nice, it even looks good ingame too.
Wok
Member
Bathroom is an excuse. IMO the guy just does not like to tweet outside of a bathroom.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I don't know about all that, but he'd definitely be a shitty version of Wraith King.
Yea, I don't know what they're gonna do with CK, but he needs some help.
I think people are just bored trying to think of some way to make him useful. It's brain storming. It's a thing.
No doubt. Just that upon further consideration, he seems like he'd be a worse version of support Wraith King, which is pretty good. WK offers so many things. I don't see a build that would make CK a more desirable 4 role-taker than a WK. I'm trying really hard, but I can't think of one.
Yeah like how teams have been picking a lot of heroes that have once been carry heroes but are now being played differently, I have seen a Troll Warlord support that went Mek, it was one of the top Asian teams.
It all matters with the heroes you have and the other team and how greedy you want to be and how you want the game to play out being defensive or aggressive.
SteveWinwood
Member
what about nadota
They could just give him so more mana so he could use his spells. Maybe give Reality Rift more range. He is super scary late game when he has 5+ illusions,
I don't read nadota so I wouldn't know.
Of course. Brain-storming leads to both breakthroughs and complete stupidity. People need to take a moment to check the latter though. I brain-stormed support anti-mage for about a half a second when I was bored on the toilet once, but I didn't end up posting it on reddit for some reason, not sure why; I really should though.
manfestival
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awesome set but the hammer is pretty weak. Fortunately, there are a few decent hammers out there.
are we talking about ck or bm?
Chaos Mother
crystal meth?
Krauser Kat
Member
im so disappointed in myself that i picked Dusa as my fav hero. Games just dont go long enough for me to farm up and drestory.
Wow that's nice.
And you verified your game files, right? With so many updates, its pretty common for a few files to get messed up and stuck on a wrong version.
Yep, I verified. I can avoid the hero for now- don't really feel like reinstalling heh.
Sounds like a problem you should at least report on the Dev Board, in the Performance section:
http://dev.dota2.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23
http://dev.dota2.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23
Holy shit that's fantastic. One of the best sets I've ever seen period, great design!
Procarbine
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Omni doesn't belong in bottom 3, hes pretty good, just can't be broke and underlevelled. Offlane/3 position is pretty beast.
Blink medusa + phoenix ez combo.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I can't disagree with that. But if you give him too much mana gain early...
maybe you give him decent base mana and slow mana scaling? Idunno. You don't want to make him broken early game, and giving him the ability to spam Q and W too much and he destroys lanes. I'm sure Ice & co. will figure it out.
Spawn illusions, her stun/nuke will spawn illusions (number scales with levels) when the target is killed.
Looking at the ESL brackets, I think its going to be an Alliance/EG final.
I don't even think you need to lower the scaling, he is at 1.2. Just give him like +4 base int.
I don't even think you need to lower the scaling, he is at 1.2. Just give him like +4 base int.
I hear these worst hero debates pop up every new patch but nobody ever really specifies if they're talking about pro or pub meta. There's a pretty wide rift between a hero being not viable in the pro meta and pub meta and even then in pub meta within MMR tiers. In my tier, CK has always been viable since he's able to be aggressive and slay early and in pub games that equates to snowballing. Omni no good unless the other team is full of right clickers? He's a god against 5 carry pub trash. I'm pretty sure I have yet to lose a game with Medusa. These heroes might be "bad" compared to popular, competitive picks, but they still have their place in certain levels of pub game. Even Spirit Breaker (tho his ultimate is truly terrible now) can be a tyrant if played well with a good team backing him.
Dreams-Visions
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Omni doesn't belong in bottom 3, hes pretty good, just can't be broke and underlevelled. Offlane/3 position is pretty beast.
We can all posts screens of heroes we feel are being slighted to further our position. You know I'm more than happy to represent my 70% win rate 7.17 KDA Medusa and make a long, protracted argument on why I think she can work. But it doesn't really help the conversation because the fact of the matter is that like Omni, she just doesn't fit into the current meta. She fits into pubs, just like Omni does. And that's about it.
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