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DOTA 2 |OT9| League of Ancients (6.84)
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people who cite that dusa vs sb picture dont understand this game or what medusa is supposed to do.
Dusa's not meant for single target dps, rather she's a tanky aoe grindy carry. manta provides her with fantastic farming capabilities, a self-purge, and additional 56% dmg from illusions. For its cost, its one of the most beneficial items Medusa can get.
Dusa's not meant for single target dps, rather she's a tanky aoe grindy carry. manta provides her with fantastic farming capabilities, a self-purge, and additional 56% dmg from illusions. For its cost, its one of the most beneficial items Medusa can get.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Just gonna +1 in here and say that picture is a really disingenuous representation of what manta does for that hero.
SteveWinwood
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or that pms is a good item
Imp the Dimp
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Manta doesn't benefit from PRM farming though
shira
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRP_G4zl6YU
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- he clogged the toilet, they upgraded his room since maintenance already left
Zyori: Podcasting about MAS
- crazy adventures
- installing stuff minutes before the tourney
- he clogged the toilet, they upgraded his room since maintenance already left
manfestival
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not gonna lie
the chat in this channel is hilarious but understanding spanish helps with like 99% of the comedy
http://www.twitch.tv/nottodayorg
the chat in this channel is hilarious but understanding spanish helps with like 99% of the comedy
http://www.twitch.tv/nottodayorg
You get the linkens because it's the only mana regen item that Medusa is likely to build, and because it means she can get off stone gaze, which is tremendously important when she's farming. It synergizes much better than BKB, because Medusa benefits from both int and str, instead of just str.
Manta is strong because she's a slow-ass snake lady who's also an agi carry.
#GiveSoloQueue
TI5 stretch goal please, I'll buy fucking 50 compendiums.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1349391964 slahsers way not so bad, stack of 3 all random and got tree/omni/dk, fed three kills before 2:00. Did my best against PA/Rubick
TI5 stretch goal please, I'll buy fucking 50 compendiums.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1349391964 slahsers way not so bad, stack of 3 all random and got tree/omni/dk, fed three kills before 2:00. Did my best against PA/Rubick
NormalFish
Banned
Stupid hero stupid game
shira
Member
OMG do you have highlights were you destroy milk. Post that shit on reddit man.
Even with sniper feeding mid to clock the team fight was just too much haha
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1349469793
what a disgusting combo.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1349469793
what a disgusting combo.
I disagree
Level degen aura level one and get a OoV. Then walk into lane and smack bitches. They will be slow as balls and will eat a shit load of right clicks
You just gotta play the hero right to have fun
A clip recorded just tonight for those "Manta" non-believers.
http://a.pomf.se/srbkxq.webm
Ignore the part where I'm playing sniper.
http://a.pomf.se/srbkxq.webm
Ignore the part where I'm playing sniper.
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omg 13 hits, that's like more then 2000 damage.
I will buy Poor Man's Shield on every hero now, best item in the game, this picture just proves it to me, thanks for telling me.
This thread is very informative, especially when its in picture form so you don't have to even read.
Shuggananas
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Linkens is good if the enemy has ONE jumper with ONE instant disable. People make linkens all the time no matter what. Bloodstone is a better mana regen item for dusa, and has more benefits. So linkens can be good sometimes on dusa, but that's not all the time like pubtrash think. Good against lion or bat for example. Yes skadi is core on dusa though.
Manta fucking sucks on dusa period. You want MS ? Get phase yasha.
That's not happening in a dual vs dual lane situation, especially if the other dual is two ranged.
Dreams-Visions
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Eventually you need to get damage on her. But it can usually wait until 35+ minutes to do so because your ability to tank and right-click is usually enough. Assuming you have Skadi/Bfly + Manta up by that time (and you should have 2 of those 3 by 35 minutes or something went terribly wrong).
Pretty sure all the best shit happens to you, Satch. Sounds like a replay of that match with Botty.
I didnt see the techies and thought you meant my game just now. Enemy pudge sold all his items and warded their whole base. I lost my rapier and it came down to a baserace, I blame literally everything on ogre making it a very very painful game for me fyi.
Such a fun hero. A-click the ground and tab out for a fap. Come back and claim your W.
I'm pretty sure that if you manta dodge a ravage your opponent's throne should instantly explode. That should be a rule. Sniper or not.
GordonHalfman
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Even against Bat or LC linkens Dusa seems questionable, since for the most part you're the last person they want to ult. Lassoing a Medusa into the middle of your team so she can survive and stone gaze everyone is not a good way to start a fight. Maybe if you want to spend a lot of time split pushing it's good, but I'm not sure how much of that you should be doing since Medusa can death ball pretty well with a fairly cheap inventory. I don't honestly think she's that great in super late game.
LMAO
i spent so much of that match just... in disbelief
SecretMoblin
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Not tilted, maybe the guy was into hinduism?
the way lion kinda looks back at it too ROFL
ya its rly good for me cuz im a redneck who can barely read at a 3rd grade level.
THANKS DOTA GAF.
This is actually the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Monochromaticx
Member
lool
VG just got demolished by LGD. goddamn.
I was lazy and threw in the first gif I found to a post that otherwise had words. It even had a third core item, which undermined my own point that Linkens -> Manta is not very effective. Lesson learned.
Wow, it's a lot easier to address a post when I cut all the words out, good idea. /s
Joking aside, I still don't think Manta is a good second core item after a Linkens rush on Medusa. The damage over time aspect from just Linkens and Manta feels low and negligible in a teamfight when I play against it. I'm not sure how the split shot penalty interacts with illusions - since it is a base damage penalty I assume that it is relevant when the illusions spawned from a lower base damage, and possibly again since the illusions can have it active. I'll test later.
I just feel like as a second core, especially following a Linkens rush, there are better choices. Can't deny the utility, but it's certainly better when she has more stats behind it first.
Wow, it's a lot easier to address a post when I cut all the words out, good idea. /s
Joking aside, I still don't think Manta is a good second core item after a Linkens rush on Medusa. The damage over time aspect from just Linkens and Manta feels low and negligible in a teamfight when I play against it. I'm not sure how the split shot penalty interacts with illusions - since it is a base damage penalty I assume that it is relevant when the illusions spawned from a lower base damage, and possibly again since the illusions can have it active. I'll test later.
I just feel like as a second core, especially following a Linkens rush, there are better choices. Can't deny the utility, but it's certainly better when she has more stats behind it first.
Sigismundo
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I'm not even sure Linken's is a good pick up on Dusa now (apart from vs Doom, Batrider, etc). Mael/Manta or Skadi/Manta or another thing seems like a better option.
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Wonderboy91
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I feel like linkens rush might be the actual problem. Linkens is such a questionable item in so many cases and I dont think rushing it is really ever good on 99% of heros, dusa included. Yasha>Skadi>Manta or Manta>Skadi both strike me as way better. Even some MoM shenanigans sounds acceptable.
Shuggananas
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Fuck manta, yasha only. And if you get maelstrom don't upgrade it please.
If you ever get linkens, getting it first is hardly recommendable, it gives jackshit and doesn't help your farming at all, you want items with damage and/or MS to farm more efficiently your other items.
Casual perseverance if you're farming comfortably ? Sure, it's not that bad, get the linkens later when you actually need the spell block (if you need it, that is)
Red gazelle looks far better.
DivineRage002
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I immediately mark anyone rushing a linkens on dusa as mentally challenged.
You have a built-in ability that allows you to hit every opposing team member at the same time. And you build... mana regen? YOU HAVE A MANA-STEAL ABILITY.
Skadi is a good item, but situational, only if you have a hard time surviving, and manta is too little damage for the price, has no synergy with dusa.
Aquila -> Phase -> Yasha -> Maelstrom -> Daedalus. You'll be hitting like a truck, will have chasing power and they still won't kill you because all you need to do is press R and they'll have to turn away. This time however, by the time the ult ends, half their team is dead instead of being a time-out.
You have a built-in ability that allows you to hit every opposing team member at the same time. And you build... mana regen? YOU HAVE A MANA-STEAL ABILITY.
Skadi is a good item, but situational, only if you have a hard time surviving, and manta is too little damage for the price, has no synergy with dusa.
Aquila -> Phase -> Yasha -> Maelstrom -> Daedalus. You'll be hitting like a truck, will have chasing power and they still won't kill you because all you need to do is press R and they'll have to turn away. This time however, by the time the ult ends, half their team is dead instead of being a time-out.
Shuggananas
Banned
This build will see you killed in every single fight. This has absolutely 0 stats, and daedalus is pretty shitty on dusa except if you have one main target you want to take down in priority.
Agree on aquila phase yasha, but then you need some stats to tank some shit, dusa has garbage stats gain, you can't survive with +3 str/intel alone.
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