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DOTA 2 |OT9| League of Ancients (6.84)
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Wok
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Phase Boots, Ring of Aquila, Mask of Madness. The concept is to have enough sustain to jungle all game. More or less.
Or give assist gold to the support if an ennemy is killed in the vision of one of your wards.
Maybe the scaling is more interesting early game:
- smoke costs slightly more mana with levels, for a slight increase in miss rate and smoke radius. The duration is constant.
- backstab damage increases a lot with levels
Plus when you use the smoke, people will try to evade the smoke anyway, so the miss rate is irrelevant early game.
The 2nd point in invisibility at level 8 makes it so that the fade time is exactly the smoke duration. I would think it would be more interesting to get it earlier.
MurkyZebra2417
Member
Synderens stream is so good. He actually answers questions, gives insight into what he is doing and is polite all the time. Other streamers should act more like him
Dota 2 New Score Screen Redesign concept from the guy who made the steam 3.0 concept
Shuggananas
Banned
lol'd at relaxed chat
I like synderen but sometimes he just sounds too much like he wants you to know that he knows stuff about the game, tons of stuff.
Imp the Dimp
Member
Some dude in the PRM farming (ayy lmao) thread says you should generally max blur over anything else on PA. Cool thread.
Dreams-Visions
Member
thx milk!
Monochromaticx
Member
I saw the thread title on reddit the other day and thought it was just another suggestion thread.
but I will be damned this concept is good!
shira
Member
Bask in the glory of the support Riki!
I firmly believe that Riki is better as a support than as a carry or offlaner.
Basic item build:
-Start with Boots + Wards or Courier
-Priority purchase: Orb of Venom
-Optional purchase: Poor Man's Shield
-Priority purchase: Phase Boots
-Priority purchase: Eul's Scepter
This is your basic core and enables permanent roaming across the map with health and mana regen from invis passive and eul's. You can easily set up ganks with eul's -> smoke cloud. This combo does not break your invis, so you can force people to pop dusts just by doing this and running away.
Smoke is insanely good for countering popular heroes like Axe -- they love initiating in and calling someone, but if you smoke bomb your teammate as a fight starts, it prevents any initiator from blinking on top of your team and disabling them. It's low cooldown, massive aoe, excellent slow, long-lasting silence, and great miss chance.
Bonus items:
-Rod of Atos: for the extra boost in health, trapping enemies in your smoke clouds for even longer, and for being annoying across the map
-SnY: for when your roaming has gone exceptionally well and you can transition to a semi-carry
-Blink: to make you impossible to catch
-Gem: you are an awesome gem carrier as this will both prevent you from walking into sentries and make you a mobile invisible ward-spotting machine
Skill build:
1. Invis, for warding and romaing
2. Backstab
3. Backstab
4. Smoke
5. Backstab
6. Blink Strike
7. Backstab
8. Invis, for extra health regen and roaming strength in midgame
9 onwards. Max cloud, ulti, and invis in this priority
Your job is to cause mass chaos around the map. Hunt junglers, leech their xp, and make carries and mids upset by backstabbing them. You can solo kill enemy supports with boots and orb of venom; backstab does absurd amounts of damage with no agi items early. When midgame rolls around, you will initiate and counter-initiate via smoke and euls.
Remember that Riki does not have hard disables, so it's important that your team have some sort of stuns or slows to follow up your smoke clouds.
When do you usually start roaming? 2m rune?
tried to pull creeps as Riki
Gentle Rodriguez
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Question about the support Riki: How are you getting early levels? Especially getting to level 2 without there being an enemy jungler? Leech xp in lane? Pull? I can't imagine you can get a lot done(that actually gets you xp) with just invis.
I do feel like it's great to get the first bounty rune on him if you can, level 1 Riki is pretty useless combat wise.
I do feel like it's great to get the first bounty rune on him if you can, level 1 Riki is pretty useless combat wise.
Shuggananas
Banned
Safelane harassing the offlaner ? You should get to 2 in two waves of creeps I think
Also riki is one of the best early deniers
Also riki is one of the best early deniers
Wok
Member
I soaked xp from BB offlaner. Legit build.
Especially against counterpickers.
So much vision.
With only level 1 invis it is doable.When do you usually start roaming? 2m rune?
tried to pull creeps as Riki
Hm. Diffusal doesn't cost tremendously more than Atos (50 gold difference!). It gives you a comparable slow on a shorter cooldown with no mana cost, and it synergizes much better with backstab (which is arguably one of the strongest steroid skills in the game--as long as you're behind people, it's better than a permanent DD). Diffusal also gives the option of using the Euls offensively while still letting you remove dust from yourself. Also has a slightly easier build up due to not needing any pesky secret shop items.
Bask in the glory of the support Riki!
I firmly believe that Riki is better as a support than as a carry or offlaner.
Basic item build:
-Start with Boots + Wards or Courier
-Priority purchase: Orb of Venom
-Optional purchase: Poor Man's Shield
-Priority purchase: Phase Boots
-Priority purchase: Eul's Scepter
This is your basic core and enables permanent roaming across the map with health and mana regen from invis passive and eul's. You can easily set up ganks with eul's -> smoke cloud. This combo does not break your invis, so you can force people to pop dusts just by doing this and running away.
Smoke is insanely good for countering popular heroes like Axe -- they love initiating in and calling someone, but if you smoke bomb your teammate as a fight starts, it prevents any initiator from blinking on top of your team and disabling them. It's low cooldown, massive aoe, excellent slow, long-lasting silence, and great miss chance.
Bonus items:
-Rod of Atos: for the extra boost in health, trapping enemies in your smoke clouds for even longer, and for being annoying across the map
-SnY: for when your roaming has gone exceptionally well and you can transition to a semi-carry
-Blink: to make you impossible to catch
-Gem: you are an awesome gem carrier as this will both prevent you from walking into sentries and make you a mobile invisible ward-spotting machine
Skill build:
1. Invis, for warding and romaing
2. Backstab
3. Backstab
4. Smoke
5. Backstab
6. Blink Strike
7. Backstab
8. Invis, for extra health regen and roaming strength in midgame
9 onwards. Max cloud, ulti, and invis in this priority
Your job is to cause mass chaos around the map. Hunt junglers, leech their xp, and make carries and mids upset by backstabbing them. You can solo kill enemy supports with boots and orb of venom; backstab does absurd amounts of damage with no agi items early. When midgame rolls around, you will initiate and counter-initiate via smoke and euls.
Remember that Riki does not have hard disables, so it's important that your team have some sort of stuns or slows to follow up your smoke clouds.
The downside is that it's shorter range, charge-based, and gives no HP, but I feel Riki depends more on invis regen than raw HP.
SteveWinwood
Member
dont compare diffusal to atos
there is nothing better than atos ever
there is nothing better than atos ever
Hah, I saw this video. Pretty good.
Maleficence
Member
Why is the dota community so toxic sometimes?
We won a game, admittedly massively carried by our storm, but the enemy team decided to deride the rest of our team as useless. Because I was playing wyvern, an apparently easy hero, my contributions or anyone else's on the team didn't count. Never mind that it's impossible to win this game solo, or that I was warding all game, no SS won it on his own.
Fuck this game pisses me off sometimes, and even when we win. Douchebags... Douchebags everywhere.
We won a game, admittedly massively carried by our storm, but the enemy team decided to deride the rest of our team as useless. Because I was playing wyvern, an apparently easy hero, my contributions or anyone else's on the team didn't count. Never mind that it's impossible to win this game solo, or that I was warding all game, no SS won it on his own.
Fuck this game pisses me off sometimes, and even when we win. Douchebags... Douchebags everywhere.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
If you're going to get mad at that prepare to get mad a lot, that's really mild. People can be toxic, it isn't Dota that turns them toxic, it just amplifies it.
Maleficence
Member
I've been playing dota for a long time but for some reason this got to me. Probably because they targeted me specifically (admittedly after I was trying to defend the team effort) and I did not do bad in the game. If I had I would understand why they felt the way they did but it was almost as if no matter how well I did I would have been derided.
Moral of the story is not to engage trolls methinks.
Moral of the story is not to engage trolls methinks.
Shuggananas
Banned
SteveWinwood
Member
lately?
have you heard the term "lol" kids are using lately?
I have only seen it prominently in like the last 6 months or so. That's "recent" enough for me.
rakkadakka
Member
Yeah I mute early and often when people start acting toxic.
Not even worth getting into it with people.
Shuggananas
Banned
Wonder how people still bet or even support betting when you see all these fucking DDOS that've been going on for a while now
GG ez game always gets a laugh out of me, even if I'm on the losing side.
Lately though. I get people typing izi. Iziiii game. And that. That shit makes my blood boil because they are tainting the EZ lyfe, and trying too hard to be original. How the hell does eye zee remotely translate to easy. And as a person who has studied espagnol and understands it, they may as well be typing yzy if they are going for same sound, different spelling.
Fuckin guys can take their izi bullshit and stuff it.
Lately though. I get people typing izi. Iziiii game. And that. That shit makes my blood boil because they are tainting the EZ lyfe, and trying too hard to be original. How the hell does eye zee remotely translate to easy. And as a person who has studied espagnol and understands it, they may as well be typing yzy if they are going for same sound, different spelling.
Fuckin guys can take their izi bullshit and stuff it.
I don't know if it's toxic behaviour or not, but sometimes my friend will say "gg guys, very nice comeback wp" when we get stomped from the beginning. It's fun to count how many of them say some version of "comeback?" or try to insult us.
It's usually reserved for trash talkers though.
Only thing I can think of is that "EZ game EZ life" streamer guy that was notorious (?) for a while.
It's gotta be from waaaaay before that though.
Claiming how little effort it took to defeat an opponent is probably as old as time.
It's usually reserved for trash talkers though.
Only thing I can think of is that "EZ game EZ life" streamer guy that was notorious (?) for a while.
It's gotta be from waaaaay before that though.
Claiming how little effort it took to defeat an opponent is probably as old as time.
Agreed.
I'm all for "ez game ez life ez mines ez rares" at the end, especially if you came back from losing all 3 lanes at the start and won out against megacreeps, but for fuck's sake, at least spell "ez" properly.
I also say "close game" when we get absolutely destroyed.
i reserve this kind of thing for when someone's stomping me and being a dick about it
'gg wp, close match!' or whatever
Sigismundo
Member
Yeah in regards to support Riki I think Diffusal is probably a better choice and Atos should be the "I really need the extra HP because they have five burst damage heroes" option. That's just me though.
However Atos' cast range is double Diffusal's. That is also worth noting.
However Atos' cast range is double Diffusal's. That is also worth noting.
I've run support Riki once or twice and feel its pretty strong tbh if the lanes permit it.
I do the max backstab build as well because just flat out killing people once you have 7 is basically garunteed.
Maybe going Euls -> Eth Blade is the way to do it.
I do the max backstab build as well because just flat out killing people once you have 7 is basically garunteed.
Maybe going Euls -> Eth Blade is the way to do it.
Wok
Member
Atos is funnier.
Monochromaticx
Member
because if he is support riki he wants his team to get close to the enemy.
Risible
Member
I love to support, buy MAN is it a thankless task. Rare is the game where people are appreciative of it. You spend the game saving money to buy wards, deferring your own items, and the minute the wards run out you've got people up your ass going "Where are the wards?!"
People look at your score and say "Oh lol Wyvern did nothing all game!" Except slow enemies for you to kill. Or ward all game. Or heal you. Or not take your last hits. Or not last hit heroes so that you get the kill. And so on and so forth.
Nothing worse than spending all game supporting and then the guy with the most kills at the end goes "All me, baby." Yeah, ok.
People look at your score and say "Oh lol Wyvern did nothing all game!" Except slow enemies for you to kill. Or ward all game. Or heal you. Or not take your last hits. Or not last hit heroes so that you get the kill. And so on and so forth.
Nothing worse than spending all game supporting and then the guy with the most kills at the end goes "All me, baby." Yeah, ok.
Be happy you don't know what it is
That's not nothing, but since cloud's range is short anyway, you need Riki to be on top of the enemy, so blink-diffusal isn't really worse off than atos + blink (in either order).
People who don't realize to what magnitude this really is a team game are the people whose admiration you really shouldn't care about.
At any rate, the W for your team at the end of the game is thanks enough.
All other analysis of minutiae is usually just faffing.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
This is why you should ks
Edit: buff idea for DK, Dragon form always lasts full duration, even through aegis and death. So if you die with 20 sec left on Dragon form, you respawn with 20 sec left no matter how long you were dead for. Same thing with Sylla, bear cd resets after death. OP or not?
pretty much
shira
Member
It's fun to bet junk rares when you see obvious games but the market is pretty strong now. Bitcoin back above $250. It's srs bsns
Being able to tactically die and buyback to get a third bear in the fight?
I could maybe see that. God knows, Druid needs something. Though I think an Aghanim upgrade that either let the bear use stat items, or shared damage between bear and druid (which I think was once how it worked in the WC3 days/) would be less controversial.
It's such a shame, as he has some of the best cosmetics (the red panda is awesome), but he's garbage as a hero right now.
I honestly think something with the bear CD would be nice, buying back as LD really sucks if you recently resummoned, as there is almost no point.
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