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DOTA2 |OT14| i give up like your pubs do
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Oh it's an act, he slips sometimes at the end of longs streams.
NormalFish
Banned
i don't find slacks very offensive when he's not meming. At least he actually thinks about dota unlike someone like LD, who just repeats what every one else says and tells me exactly what i just saw, something I already know.
Seriously, pure play-by-play casters are useless.
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hm slark would have had a harder time getting that kill without echo.
Seriously, pure play-by-play casters are useless.
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hm slark would have had a harder time getting that kill without echo.
some of us have to listen to the broadcast instead of watching it while we work
NormalFish
Banned
fair enough, but then I'd say the only one worth listening to is Cap.
Imp the Dimp
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Anybody who has had problems with Slark ever since they changed his ult to make him undetectable? He's been one of the heroes I've had shit winrates against forever. And he's gotten better this patch. Unless I pick shit that is insanely good against him like AM, LC or Doom, I clearly lose more often than not solely due to him being unkillable at some point. I absolutely have to counterpick him every time I see him unless the Slark player has a public acc with poor MMR.
It's probably a matter of my favourite heroes not being so great against him. Can't pick Sven into him at all. :/
It's probably a matter of my favourite heroes not being so great against him. Can't pick Sven into him at all. :/
trapping a boar next to a pillar and attacking it over and over again while it stands there defenseless
i'm sure that if u told someone that millions of people thought this game is the pinnacle of the nascent artform that is videogames they would literally never stop laughing
i'm sure that if u told someone that millions of people thought this game is the pinnacle of the nascent artform that is videogames they would literally never stop laughing
Twice the essence shift theft in the mid game seems like a very good thing although it can be awkward to fit it in an item build, especially if you go super greedy an get a Midas.
Generally, it is always preferable to get stat items on him.
No one ever said you shouldn't take any help you can find. It's not a matter of "you need to do it" it's a matter of "you can do it", and providing options is never not a good thing.
NormalFish
Banned
isn't it twice the essence shift every 5 seconds, though? Assault Cuirass or Mjollnir is better if you want stacks.
And yeah, I agree it's awkward as fuck with a midas. Shocked that worked out.
I haven't tried it so I can't be sure but I imagine you'd get twice the essence shift every time the saber proc'ed. It doesn't seem optimal tbh and I'd much rather get SnY, Manta or Silver Edge instead of it.
AC and Mjollnir aren't near the price range of echo saber nor are they supposed to be built at that stage of the game.
NormalFish
Banned
No, but my post was referring to gimping your late game as Slark. Echo Sabre doesn't build in to anything, and gives you basically nothing as a slark past 35 minutes or so. At that point, you could absolutely have an AC or a Mjollnir, and you'd be in a much better place in terms of late game, even if you don't have an SnY or something. (say, Skadi/SnY/Echo vs AC/Skadi)
that isn't what slark is meant to do past early mid game, though. If you pick slark, you need to be planning to transition to a late game hypercarry, because otherwise you fucked up picking slark. If you're sitting on silver edge + echo sabre, you can pick off supports, sure, but you're going to have to avoid any fight with enemy agi carries and most offlaners/mids due to lack of sustained damage and insufficient bulk. The items stats don't make up for it.
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Attack out of silveredge or blink. Get the free attacks then pounce. Pounce is off and echo is back up. Mana Regen means you aren't oom now too
lv2 pidgey
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dat wr arrow
Echo Sabre will be supremely awesome when it builds into a new (or current) luxury item in a patch or two.
For now though it's a really nice stat stick for a lot of hard hitting but slow attacking STR cores (Sven, Tiny, WK, CK, etc...). One of the few agi heroes I like it on right now is Troll because the item still gives 30 attack speed, a nice stat spread, is dirt cheap, and also gets those fervor stacks revved up with a second chance of a first hit bash to boot.
For now though it's a really nice stat stick for a lot of hard hitting but slow attacking STR cores (Sven, Tiny, WK, CK, etc...). One of the few agi heroes I like it on right now is Troll because the item still gives 30 attack speed, a nice stat spread, is dirt cheap, and also gets those fervor stacks revved up with a second chance of a first hit bash to boot.
NormalFish
Banned
I think, in general, it's way better on strength heroes than agility heroes.
In total agreement that once it builds in to something it will be super strong.
? echo sabre is good on slark
not only does slark love essence shift, but the stats on the item are not to be overlooked. With shadowblade being a better choice than blink now, the mana regen on echo sabre along with the base hp gives him a lot for his kit. He's no longer looking for that sny or drums for hp, so echo sabre helps fill his stat needs.
dont just ignore an item's stats when you're arguing its usefulness honestly.
not only does slark love essence shift, but the stats on the item are not to be overlooked. With shadowblade being a better choice than blink now, the mana regen on echo sabre along with the base hp gives him a lot for his kit. He's no longer looking for that sny or drums for hp, so echo sabre helps fill his stat needs.
dont just ignore an item's stats when you're arguing its usefulness honestly.
The point of Echo Sabre on Slark is to snowball. If you get it an passively farm then yeah, your late game will be shit because you threw away your early game gold on something you didn't use. If you use it, with shadow blade or blink, to find solo pick-offs then you made a return on your investment.
The item also has synergy with one of his skills (essence shift) but that's not the only thing you should be looking at. The item stats are also very beneficial on a stat starved hero like Slark.
And I'll be honest, I find AC and Mjollnir horrible items to get on Slark.
NormalFish
Banned
Well that's my bias since I am of the mind that doing anything but farming and rotating in to advantageous fights is a mistake with slark. I will hold on to my belief that if you're building items that don't get you to the late game asap you should've picked someone else. That said, if you build echo sabre as a replacement to SnY, yeah I think it works. I don't think it's good, as I've said, and it definitely isn't core, but it's certainly viable. But then again, I never said otherwise.
Yes, we've discussed this. If you're going to take an item for stacking essence shift though, outside of raw agility, AC and Mjollnir are clearly the best choices, as moonshard is far too one-dimensional.
What do you do with a drunken whaler?Dishonored 2 this year
User 85168
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NA Dota 30000 gold comeback lmao
JawesomeJaw
Member
That was as NA doto as you could have asked for.
Dishonored 2 this year
ugh i need it now
Monochromaticx
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I think building pure attack speed and damage on Slark is a mistake, hence why I don't like AC or Mjollnir except in very particular situations. AS is only really an issue in the later stages of the game because earlier most of your damage is magic.
I don't imagine ES as a replacement of anything but rather as something else you can get that has a great impact in the early-to-mid game. Will it delay your core late game items? Possibly, depends on what you do with it, but bee-lining straight to those items is rarely a good idea because your muting the impact the hero can have in the earlier stages of the game.
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Here's my typical Slark build (I'll put * next to non-core or situational items)
1 - Midas*
2 - Treads
3 - Aquila
4 - SB/SE*
5 - Yasha* (if going Manta)
6 - Skadi
7 - Manta*
6 - Basher
8 - MKB or Butterfly
BKB or Linkens somewhere in the middle of those. Greatly depends on the enemy line-up.
If I was buying an ES I'd probably fit it in position 3 or 4, right before or after SB depending on who I was facing.
expose it. end it.
Just played with a dude who was 6k solo mmr, but somehow I don't think he was the one that actually got that mmr
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2338365070
the gyrocopter
for reference everyone else in that game was about 3.2k
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2338365070
the gyrocopter
for reference everyone else in that game was about 3.2k
NormalFish
Banned
but think of all that time I spent trying to optimize my slark buildsand still losing
Honestly if I could just play dota without actually playing dota it'd be great
Can't wait for the honeymoon to end.
NormalFish
Banned
Overwatch is better than dirty bomb, but it's not that great, honestly.
Most of the Dota team moved on to shipping decade old Half-Life and Left 4 Dead designs.
I joke, through tears and 17 bottles of really cheap wine.
I enjoyed Overwatch, but I don't got room for it.
DOTA is my moba, CS is my FPS, and Stellaris is going to be my strategy fix for the next couple months. Got my Trifecta...and then fkn Legion hits. If I didn't like CS, I could see myself going bananas for Overwatch, but it didn't really grab me during the free beta weekends; OG TF2 was still da shiznit (and even that didn't make me an addict like CS/Dota have).
DOTA is my moba, CS is my FPS, and Stellaris is going to be my strategy fix for the next couple months. Got my Trifecta...and then fkn Legion hits. If I didn't like CS, I could see myself going bananas for Overwatch, but it didn't really grab me during the free beta weekends; OG TF2 was still da shiznit (and even that didn't make me an addict like CS/Dota have).
JawesomeJaw
Member
On the plus side, Charlie and Merlini cast is on point.
Pastafarian
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Apparently DSP jerked off on stream. Wutface[
werd on the street was that it was staged cause nobody was watching his stuff anymore
StrongArmSteady
Member
Apparently DSP jerked off on stream. Wutface
who is that?
A god awful YT personality/streamer. He LPs a bunch of games, he's probably the worst.
idk, dude seems stupid and awful enough to actually have it happen to him
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