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[ClosBSAS]

Meh doesnt affect me cause am not anti anything, i am however, against putting this shit into my fantasy games and my hobby. Like ridiculous dialogue and honestly and hopefully, the end of bioware as is.

 

[Larxia]

"Ask yourselves why you weren't as mad then."

It's funny that they don't get it. We've been telling it for years though.
Because of insisting SO MUCH on putting these things down everyone's throat, they are actually pushing away everyone. Even people who had absolutely nothing against these things or didn't even think about it 10 years ago, are now tired of it. They brought it on themselves.

I know this very well because I'm actually like this. I know it's not ideal or anything, that's just how it is.
If we go back 10 years ago or more, I didn't really think about all this (lgbt, minorities, racism etc...), it was just something that was existed and I didn't give it more thoughts. Nowadays though? I immediatly notice it because I know it's something being forced in for political reasons, and it doesn't have the same vibe / impact at all.
And the problem is that because of that, we might judge something that has these topics as something forced, as a first impression, even if it's legitimately innocent / good.
I for example really liked the first Life is strange back in 2015, because I wasn't constantly annoyed / aware of all this. If it released today though, I would have been really cautious and might not even have played it.

That's the consequences of what happened all these past years.
They ruined these subjects.

Again, I know that what I described is not ideal, and that a work on ourself is needed to try identifying what's actually good or not, past first impressions, but I'm just saying that this is the consequence of all these agendas push.

 

[bender]

Also where do you guys even find these accounts. Like I scrolled a couple of pages and he just seems like a chop who uses internet outrage to get likes

He was a frequent poster on GAF at one point and I remember him from the IGN boards back in the day (PS2 era).

 

[evolve]

If I just played this without any context of what they actually mean, I'd be so confused lol

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Wait...

People are pretending like DA:I wasn't painfully mediocre now.

Yep always been on team Skyrim or Witcher 3 during the time of DA I which is why both of those two alone sold more than 4 to 5 times the amount compared to DA I.

"Ask yourselves why you weren't as mad then."

It's funny that they don't get it. We've been telling it for years though.
Because of insisting SO MUCH on putting these things down everyone's throat, they are actually pushing away everyone. Even people who had absolutely nothing against these things or didn't even think about it 10 years ago, are now tired of it. They brought it on themselves.

I know this very well because I'm actually like this. I know it's not ideal or anything, that's just how it is.
If we go back 10 years ago or more, I didn't really think about all this (lgbt, minorities, racism etc...), it was just something that was existed and I didn't give it more thoughts. Nowadays though? I immediatly notice it because I know it's something being forced in for political reasons, and it doesn't have the same vibe / impact at all.
And the problem is that because of that, we might judge something that has these topics as something forced, as a first impression, even if it's legitimately innocent / good.
I for example really liked the first Life is strange back in 2015, because I wasn't constantly annoyed / aware of all this. If it released today though, I would have been really cautious and might not even have played it.

That's the consequences of what happened all these past years.
They ruined these subjects.

Again, I know that what I described is not ideal, and that a work on ourself is needed to try identifying what's actually good or not, past first impressions, but I'm just saying that this is the consequence of all these agendas push.

Same, the world was more sane and normal, less hate too, even most of the movies were awesome and diverse. Definitely less hate from the people.

 

[Skitso]

Sexual identity or orientation is like an asshole: everybody has one and it's completely fine for people to have one, but don't come rub it on my face.

So why are these games rubbing it on my face?

 

[GymWolf]

Woah woah woah, a role playing game that lets you define your character's identity however the player wants?

I am frankly disgusted by this.

Except...it is not?

From the reviews it seems the you can only be a goody 2 shoes and not an asshole like in most rpg, so if a companion\npcs says some dumb, annoying shit you can't tell em to fuck off...

How is that freedom?

You don't even have complete freedom in the character creator, i had bigger tits when i was fat than what you can create ingame for a woman ffs.

So freedom only extend to mental illness related stuff and nothing else.

 

[delfrickintree]

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How much longer are people going to rage about this instead of moving on with their life? it's dumb, but the constant bitching about it is not going to change it.

scared?

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I mean, there's two things:

1) DA: I is more subtle and doesn't fixate on the issue, and the writing is generally much better. The issue people have with how modern developers handle it is that it turns into simple moralizing and almost always seems to come at the detriment of the rest of the narrative quality. You can bring gender issues up, but you still have to write a real narrative - it's like literally any other commentary in fantasy.

2) In 2014, we weren't beaten over the head with this in seemingly ever AAA Western release, with a complete lack of subtlety. People are sick of hearing about it because it's constant and normal people frankly don't really care about gender issues. They do care when the quality of whatever media they consumed goes down the shitter to support these sorts of messages, and when they're told to shut up and like it anyway.

 

[Kacho]

 

[EverydayBeast]

All I ask is for a good story, executing actions, go look at dragon age 2 that game is better than what people say about it.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Which one has the schlong?

 

[Kacho]

Which one has the schlong?

 

[MMaRsu]

 

[CharmingCharlie]

Which one has the schlong?

Well I know neither of them have any balls that is for sure

 

[Nasigil]

I don't even care about the whole pronoun or woke thing. You can call yourself however you want and it's not my business to judge.

However as a consumer of video games, it's an well established pattern at this point that every single game that tries to make identity politics one of their selling points has been trash fire. It's such a consistent indicator of bad games at this point it's amusing.

 

[Gamezone]

I guess people buy this crap? I mean, Disney haven't stopped doing woke movies, so I guess they are profitable?

 

[Bojji]

Which one has the schlong?

 

[peek]

The biggest put off for me is the 21st century dialogue. The characters use words and phrases as if they've been transported from 2020s USA.

Exactly, big reason for me as well.

 

[deriks]

 

[TransTrender]

If I just played this without any context of what they actually mean, I'd be so confused lol

Great example of when to reach out to a mental help specialist. Like a real one, not one that will tell you to remove parts of your body and inject yourself with excessive hormones.

 

[TheCed]

Disgusting, don't support this shit

Bioware is dead

Cool

Can my character be left handed now ?
Because that's kind of a real thing in real life you know ?

 

[Last Hearth]

Ah no mam... .


If they didn't have that character... Then take 6 of score?

That suspiciously sounds like a eulogy for the franchise?

 

[Topher]

If only it was real. Then you'd be able to identity as young.

You......this is your fault

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You......this is your fault

Holy fuck hahahaha

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[digdug2]

I'm feeling feelings that I haven't had since I was teenager...

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

 

[SF Kosmo]

Great example of when to reach out to a mental help specialist. Like a real one, not one that will tell you to remove parts of your body and inject yourself with excessive hormones.

Most NB people don't do either of those things, they just pull elements of female and male gender expression (i.e. rocking a beard and wearing makeup) or just avoid gendered expressions entirely.

That shit has always been around we just didn't use the same language to talk about it. We just called them androgynous or whatever. Paul Westerberg was singing about this shit in the early 80s.

 

[jason10mm]

Most NB people don't do either of those things, they just pull elements of female and male gender expression (i.e. rocking a beard and wearing makeup) or just avoid gendered expressions entirely.

That shit has always been around we just didn't use the same language to talk about it. We just called them androgynous or whatever. Paul Westerberg was singing about this shit in the early 80s.

I think the difference "back then" was that the vast majority of "ambiguous/androgynous" types were just guys or girls. They knew they were one sex/gender, but they just liked characteristics culturally assigned to the other sex. There was no delusion that a male androgenous person would need tampax, or could realistically breast feed, or deliver a baby, or fairly compete with girls in physical sports. There was no delusion that a female "tomboy" or androgenous person was somehow anything other than a chick that liked guy stuff. Hell, half of them were cool as shit back them because they knew stuff about cars, guns, beer, whisky, and Star Wars so you could have a great time at the pub with them and who knows, maybe have a fuck later

 

[SF Kosmo]

I think the difference "back then" was that the vast majority of "ambiguous/androgynous" types were just guys or girls. They knew they were one sex/gender, but they just liked characteristics culturally assigned to the other sex.

That's still what it mostly is. Most NB-identifying people are what we would have once called "butch" lesbians or "femme" gay men in decades past.

There was no delusion that a male androgenous person would need tampax, or could realistically breast feed, or deliver a baby, or fairly compete with girls in physical sports.

There still isn't, man. What you said was a tangled wire ball of confused threads that I'm not sure I want to unravel, but suffice to say you're getting your signals crossed.

NB is not the same as trans, it doesn't involve people trying to make themselves into something else, it's just a discomfort with cultural gender norms.

There was no delusion that a female "tomboy" or androgenous person was somehow anything other than a chick that liked guy stuff. Hell, half of them were cool as shit back them because they knew stuff about cars, guns, beer, whisky, and Star Wars so you could have a great time at the pub with them and who knows, maybe have a fuck later

Yeah but go catch up with some of them now and they might identify as NB. I have an old friend who was a very masc lesbian to the point where she used the men's room and we all thought that seemed normal. I caught back up with them a few months and now they use they/them pronouns. Haven't changed at all, not taking hormones, only difference is how we talk about the shit we always knew about.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I'm waiting for a non binary to come out as hexadecimal. That'll be stunning and brave.
We need more progress!

 

[jason10mm]

Yeah but go catch up with some of them now and they might identify as NB. I have an old friend who was a very masc lesbian to the point where she used the men's room and we all thought that seemed normal. I caught back up with them a few months and now they use they/them pronouns. Haven't changed at all, not taking hormones, only difference is how we talk about the shit we always knew about.

There is a pronoun in english for "not-male, not female", it's "it". At least they could be grammatically correct. The plural pronoun for a singular person is confusing and dumb (IMHO). What do these folks do when using a language with gendered nouns? Face it, the entire "non-binary" thing as a concept is silly and is just attention seeking. No one cares if a guy wants to wear a dress, though it often looks ridiculous due to body proportions and how it is cut, and no one cares if a woman wants to shave her head and try to grow a moustache but that often looks equally silly. Both those things are gonna limit integration into mainstream society and THAT WAS THE POINT for lots of folks doing it in the past! But stick to the correct bathroom, stick to the correct sports, and stick to the rules of the language you are using.

 

[kingbean]

I just like to escape in my escapist fantasy games.

I don't want to be reminded of all the screaming political shit that seems to be the loudest thing on the internet.

 

[Bernardougf]

Stuff like this always makes me wonder: at what point did game directors/studio heads (especially American ones) go from wanting to make cool games that people will enjoy playing, to frustrated wannabe film makers who give the impression of looking down on the idea of game being a game?

I do wish he became a very successful hollywood director and just left ND alone ... maybe it would comeback to making fun games instead of edgy woke subversive nonsense

 

[tylrdiablos]

I'm not even sure what Non-Binary means... they don't want identify as male or female?
I don't get it but I also don't care.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Great example of when to reach out to a mental help specialist. Like a real one, not one that will tell you to remove parts of your body and inject yourself with excessive hormones.

It is genuinely the most retarded trend in our modern day society.

100 years from now when you're nothing but bones, there will be only one way to identify your gender. I genuinely dislike how the term 'gender' has been hijacked to become utterly devoid of any meaning whatsoever.

 

[jason10mm]

It is genuinely the most retarded trend in our modern day society.

100 years from now when you're nothing but bones, there will be only one way to identify your gender. I genuinely dislike how the term 'gender' has been hijacked to become utterly devoid of any meaning whatsoever.

I think they were trying to be cool with their pseudoscience to make an analogy to genotype (what your genes are) versus phenotype (how those genes get expressed into what we see physically) but really, I don't think there is any real difference in sex and gender in english. People used "gender" on forms just to avoid the "sex: yes please!" juvenile jokes.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Wow, well. Okay....damn....I got nothing.

 

[SF Kosmo]

There is a pronoun in english for "not-male, not female", it's "it". At least they could be grammatically correct. The plural pronoun for a singular person is confusing and dumb (IMHO).

Changing linguistic conventions can be confusing or difficult to adjust to, but they have always been a reality. I respect that it's unintuitive, or maybe that there might even be a better solution, but it's really a different conversation and a pedantic one at that.

Face it, the entire "non-binary" thing as a concept is silly and is just attention seeking.

Look, sometimes it is, and the unfortunate reality is that the most obnoxious attention seekers get the most attention.

But for most of them it's just a preference, it makes them feel more comfortable. It's not a big deal.

No one cares if a guy wants to wear a dress, though it often looks ridiculous due to body proportions and how it is cut, and no one cares if a woman wants to shave her head and try to grow a moustache but that often looks equally silly. Both those things are gonna limit integration into mainstream society and THAT WAS THE POINT for lots of folks doing it in the past! But stick to the correct bathroom, stick to the correct sports, and stick to the rules of the language you are using.

You keep bringing up the sports thing, like I really think you are very confused about the difference between trans and non-binary, and I am kind of feeling like Dragon Age might be a good educational experience for you.

 

[PeteBull]

That could potentially put u into a train, aka male male male combo of train, which literally would whoop ur ass hard af, but to each their own, bro =P

 

[KimDongHwan]

You keep bringing up the sports thing, like I really think you are very confused about the difference between trans and non-binary, and I am kind of feeling like Dragon Age might be a good educational experience for you.

Isn't that one of the main problem of this topic? That you need to "educate" people to "understand" this new concept, for all of human history (and even pre-human) this wasn't a thing that needed explanation. The problem, as a couple of other problems that have come out from countries with too much wealth and time in their hands..., is that the rest of the world feels like "what the hell" is happening in the US that they need to bring up a new topic for people to fight for every decade or so which only causes division among its people. After this whole deal related to gender fades out (lets say 10-20 years from now) I bet you there will be a new thing where the US needs to "educate" the rest of the world about

 

[Closer]

There is a pronoun in english for "not-male, not female", it's "it". At least they could be grammatically correct. The plural pronoun for a singular person is confusing and dumb (IMHO).

"The use of “they” as a singular pronoun dates back to the 14th century. Initially, it was used as a plural pronoun, but over time, its usage expanded to include singular references. This shift in grammar was recognized by Merriam-Webster in 2022, acknowledging the pronoun’s official status as a singular, non-binary option."

English man, so haaaard

 

[DrFigs]

erm... so that just happened

 

[Bernardougf]

Which one has the schlong?

Yes

 

[ZehDon]

You......this is your fault

 

[Gambit2483]

Why am I not surprised

 

[recursive]

What about fake tits, fake ass, nose surgery, silicone glutes, testosterone shots and steroids? All good there?

This is a disengionous argument. Does not compare to pretending you are another gender and expecting the world to conform to a fantasy.

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

"The use of “they” as a singular pronoun dates back to the 14th century. Initially, it was used as a plural pronoun, but over time, its usage expanded to include singular references. This shift in grammar was recognized by Merriam-Webster in 2022, acknowledging the pronoun’s official status as a singular, non-binary option."

English man, so haaaard

Singular they was used for unknown antecedents ("I caught someone rummaging around in the trash today." "Oh, who was it?" "I didn't see their face."). Its use to refer to known antecedents of indeterminate gender ("This is Woketard, our new intern. They'll be with us for the next two months.") is a strictly modern innovation.

 

[jason10mm]

"The use of “they” as a singular pronoun dates back to the 14th century. Initially, it was used as a plural pronoun, but over time, its usage expanded to include singular references. This shift in grammar was recognized by Merriam-Webster in 2022, acknowledging the pronoun’s official status as a singular, non-binary option."

English man, so haaaard

Yes 2022, surely the pinnacle of rational thought on this topic.

Do you know the pronoun for a non-binary entity has been since day one?

IT

"My pencil is over there, can you get it for me?"

"That's my friend. It's name is Taash"

See, no explanation needed! English wasn't the problem here.