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Dragon Age Veilguard, Non Binary character
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
"It" can also refer to inanimate objects, and can thus be considered dehumanizing and rude.
"They", while potentially confusing, is properly understood in the right context, and is definitely referring to a person, which makes it more polite when referring to people.
There are similar instances of this in other languages too, not just English.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
There will be multiple forensic ways to identify the sex of someone's bones (shape, proportion, density, residual DNA, etc). Gender can be assumed to be the same as the sex, since it most likely was, unless there are other lifestyle clues or a biography or diary or something, that suggests otherwise.
Closer
Member
It still isn't. Problem are those that don't really know it.
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Seeing there is no evidence to support being trans or nonbinary, at this point it is becoming a mental health crisis.
They used to call it GID Gender Identity Disorder till the DSM V I believe and now it is structured under gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria presents just like schizophrenia and can present delusions in this manner for a lot of people suffering. You do not tell a schtizo that their couch is actually talking to them and you do not tell children or teenagers that their delusions about being the opposite sex is real.
Plenty of studies abroad on JSTOR shows no improvement in depression and suicidal ideation from taking hormones or having sex changes. It does show that a very strong percentage of young teenagers to adults have serious issues when they finally see what happened to them, have to take medications for the transplants of fake organs, and figures out they can never be a full person again.
Gender and sex are the same and a gender identity used to be used in statistics when showing the traits of a sex between feminine and masculine.
If you want to say you’re nonbinary, go for it, I live in reality. Just as science has proven you cannot transition, you cannot do this either.
They used to call it GID Gender Identity Disorder till the DSM V I believe and now it is structured under gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria presents just like schizophrenia and can present delusions in this manner for a lot of people suffering. You do not tell a schtizo that their couch is actually talking to them and you do not tell children or teenagers that their delusions about being the opposite sex is real.
Plenty of studies abroad on JSTOR shows no improvement in depression and suicidal ideation from taking hormones or having sex changes. It does show that a very strong percentage of young teenagers to adults have serious issues when they finally see what happened to them, have to take medications for the transplants of fake organs, and figures out they can never be a full person again.
Gender and sex are the same and a gender identity used to be used in statistics when showing the traits of a sex between feminine and masculine.
If you want to say you’re nonbinary, go for it, I live in reality. Just as science has proven you cannot transition, you cannot do this either.
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
No, it's not.
In a world where there are many species that have sex with one another, the idea of "binary" is nonexistent. It's an oxymoron.
Therefore, there can't be a good story with immersion-breaking bullshit of that caliber. This is worldbuilding for dummies. I'm genuinely shocked that basic stuff like this needs to be explained.
YOU PC BRO?!
Member
This game is so far removed from the original offering it can hardly be considered part of the same franchise.
Ultimately, there is no real desire of behalf of the typical fantasy demographic to insert gender theory in this game. One could easily argue its inclusion turns away many more customers than it attracts.
It’s funny. Optionality could literally solve this problem for everyone. Simply add a toggle to enable | disable such divisive content… aka Saudi Mode. I wouldn’t care if the developer made simultaneously the most woke and least woke game imaginable if there was a toggle for it…
It’s ultimately the best compromise but sadly no one has yet had the courage to attempt it.
Ultimately, there is no real desire of behalf of the typical fantasy demographic to insert gender theory in this game. One could easily argue its inclusion turns away many more customers than it attracts.
It’s funny. Optionality could literally solve this problem for everyone. Simply add a toggle to enable | disable such divisive content… aka Saudi Mode. I wouldn’t care if the developer made simultaneously the most woke and least woke game imaginable if there was a toggle for it…
It’s ultimately the best compromise but sadly no one has yet had the courage to attempt it.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
But then they wouldn't be getting you to conform to/normalize their insanity in order to play the videogame.
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Sure, and at an individual level, its usually pretty easy to accomodate folks that feel this way. BUUUUUT that doesn't mean we should be rewriting our language and instituting laws over it, nor getting lectures about it in our video games (or at least we shouldn't be called bigots if we don't like it).
"I'm non-binary. Which swim team should I be on and which locker room can I change in? Which bathroom should I use? What roommate can I have and if they are uncomfortable with my external genitalia are they a horrible bigot? Which gender can I punch in the head for sport?"
See, 'non-binary' can be exploited just as badly as trans can or LGB depending on the context.
Stuart360
Member
Will be my first Dragon Age that i havent played. I mean its not even worth the bandwith to pirate.
I mean even Inqusition was pretty woke, and that came at a time when wokism was still in its infancy. God knows what a Dragon Age game would be like in 2024.
Well we know now i suppose, a cesspit of agenda drivel. And people defending this mass brainwashing in here lol.
Hopefully this is yet another 'Go woke, go broke' situation.
I mean even Inqusition was pretty woke, and that came at a time when wokism was still in its infancy. God knows what a Dragon Age game would be like in 2024.
Well we know now i suppose, a cesspit of agenda drivel. And people defending this mass brainwashing in here lol.
Hopefully this is yet another 'Go woke, go broke' situation.
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But, but, but, language can CHANGE....right? Far easier to recontextualize a word and still be clear in conversation than to rewrite grammar entirely, plus make language difficult. Read any article talking about Ezra Miller. IF, and that's an IF, you consider being referred to the english "non-gender pronoun" IT to be a slur, then maybe, just maybe, spend your energies on gaining more acceptance for the word IT rather than insist on some sort of plurality status which is frankly ludicrous. Or do the Zee/Zir thing, that at least is legible and understandable and might be a worthy addition to the english language. I've read entire book series that use it and its fine.
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You are "latinx" whether you like it or not!
recursive
Member
Feelings don't have any impact on biology.
This is what will put the nail in the coffin to the gaming industry if this force and push for twisted gender ideology becomes a norm in gaming. Movie and TV industry is already dying with so much twisted woke agenda, and gaming industry is starting to get plague by this agendas. Don't trust gaming reviews especially from western media, just trust your own conscience and instinct in getting your games. I'm not surprise if it sells due to existing political climate trend and influence and conditioning especially in the west. But I think it will just be temporary and everyone will be back to there senses and common sense.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Sure, it already has, but not the way you want it. That happens sometimes.
Apparently not, since it already went the other way. Most likely for the reason I mentioned because maintaining respect was more important for this particular function of language.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Which is why we're talking about language and not biology.
recursive
Member
What? You are perverting science to accommodate feelings. Language is how we communicate information. It doesn't invalidate science.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm talking about the language that everyday humans use to communicate about everyday things.
Trust me, actual biologists have lots of vocabulary to describe human biology just fine already.
Dusktildawn48
Member
Is this crap forced into the main story? Or side quests?
recursive
Member
Biology doesn't care about what is rude. What are you talking about?
JerryinSoCal
Member
I don't believe non-binary is a real thing, I do believe a small number of people feel they were born in the wrong body but not the huge number of people who claim to be trans now when in reality most of them are just attention seeking cross dressers. That being said as long as this is just an option and can be ignored after that I don't really care too much, giving players choices in an RPG isn't really a bad thing. Now if they forced you to be trans or a side character was constantly lecturing about misgendering and dead naming they could screw off.Disgusting, don't support this shit
Bioware is dead
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I told you, I'm talking about how everyday humans communicate with each other, where social decorum is important. This is linguistics not biology. Choosing "they" rather than "it" for a singular personal pronoun isn't denying science, don't be ridiculous.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I agree.
99.9% are born male or female. And maybe a fraction of a % are the term hermaphrodite which is being born with both sex organs. That's simply a biological classification, nothing more.
How one feels about themselves, they can feel what they want. That's no different than someone feeling happy or sad. Right now as I type, I'm staring at my laptop and on my table is a mouse, TV remote and cellphone too. If I want to classify myself as a TV remote, I dont think anyone gives a shit. But end of the day, I'm still a male human being scientifically speaking.
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recursive
Member
if you use a non descriptor such as non binary you are an it. It is a made up term. Feelings don't matter for biology or language. Expecting people to conform to your fantasy is laughable.
Don't be ridiculous.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Language is a result of how people at large use words. What is in the dictionary is descriptive, not prescriptive. Popular use dictates the evolution of language within a population, and it's already moved. You might not like it, but those facts don't care about your feelings.
Calico345
Gold Member
I solved the pronoun problem by simply referring to everyone by their name. It is one thing to be respectful of someone who happens to identify as a gender other than their birth gender and they are polite and casual about it. But when someone immediately starts with pronouns that I didn't ask for, now you're [insert name here] and nothing else.
recursive
Member
No matter how much you and your vocal minority wants this to be true you are wrong. Trendy language takes no knee to basic science. Market has spoken. Woke bullshit failed and with good reason. Cope more.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I don't make the rules bro. I'm acknowledging the reality we live in. Again, basic science isn't being sacrificed for language. They both still function just fine. Biological males aren't being referred to as females in discussions about sex in biology papers.
recursive
Member
good night bruv
LaughingStock
Member
This non binary crap is even more idiotic in portuguese. In eglish you just use they/them and call it a day. But in portuguese you have the rape the language to make it work.
It should be considered a crime.
It should be considered a crime.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Always feels to me like people are getting two distinct things confused in this discussion: sex and gender.
Sex is immutable in the human species, as well as the vast majority of other species. Anyone positing anything different is using faulty logic and evidence.
Gender is a societal construct with no basis in biology. Therefore it's got a lot more wiggle room.
I'd have a lot more time for the trans movement if they accepted the former point. Science is science.
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ManaByte
Banned
Bill Nye erased his old Science Guy episode about chromosomes and Joe Rogan tells people space isn’t real. Science is replaced with idiocracy.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Lot of countries in this world that aren't America thank god.
Komatsu
Member
How so? Do they end nouns with "e" instead of "a" and/or "o" as in most Romance languages?
iorek21
Member
Seems to be even worse than just that, changing articles and making certain sentences hard to comprehend at first glance. Don't know if you're familiar with portuguese, but here's an image that someone posted on a brazillian gaming subreddit:
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It seems that was due to usage rights, unless this report is inaccurate.
Netflix and Bill Nye Aren’t Censoring His Old TV Show – Sorry, Conspiracy Theorists, Here’s What Really Happened
A 1996 segment in which a young woman explains sex chromosomes was cut, but the real reason isn't what the tinfoil hat crowd thought.
www.indiewire.com
TheDreadBaron
Member
Ah yes, the world's chief scientists Bill Nye and Joe Rogan
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It always seems like the extremes on both ends either deliberately want them to be the same thing or are being too obtuse to grasp the fact that they can be separate things. It's exhausting.
Up till fairly recently "he" was almost always used when gender was unknown or unspecified. Like in an instruction manual, textbook, or something like that. Then "they" (referring to the nebulous powers that be) started the "he/she" equality practice, and that evolved into "they" for a singular gender unknown person. But is TERRIBLE in actual use, very ambiguous and confusing. Redefining "it" to include this very tiny group of people would have been a far more elegant solution, at least in terms of not getting the language freaks up in arms
shoplifter
Member
Gender, being a social construct, would require no body altering medical procedures to 'change'
Calico345
Gold Member
Seems to be even worse than just that, changing articles and making certain sentences hard to comprehend at first glance. Don't know if you're familiar with portuguese, but here's an image that someone posted on a brazillian gaming subreddit:
I know several people at work who speak Portuguese, and also Brazilian dialect. I find this interesting. How does the gender and pronoun stuff change the language in those cases? It is so funny to me that it is okay to butcher and mangle an entire countries and cultures' language just to suit a minority of purple people in a shitty video game. So much for equity and inclusion!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It wouldn't. Their gender already is what it is. That's not what they're 'changing'.
kevboard
Member
yeah, but these things have been used literally interchangeably for ages, up until a few years ago.
many languages don't even have multiple words and now have to literally adapt the English term "gender" to refer to this absolute nonsensical concept.
and this is why it is meaningless and entirely based on stereotypes, which anyone that supports this non-binary nonsense would in return need to reinforce for their "identity" to make even the smallest amount of sense.
if you do not reinforce stereotypes about men and women, you also can not claim to be non-binary, as there wouldn't be a binary if stereotypes weren't reinforced.
the solution therefore should be to not reinforce stereotypes instead of thinking that you're special because you got a dick but like Barbie dolls...
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
Using they/them for singular is plain stupid, besides a communication atrocity.
Language, like science, is efficient. Every language on this planet aims to express the most information with the least words. For that purpose, it must be precise and describe real concepts of the real world.
The reason why nobody speaks the inclusive neo-language in real-life conversations is because it goes against every language convention. When you refer to a singular female as "they" in front of others, you need further clarification on the actual identity of that person to avoid confusion.
Language is a tool. Using tools incorrectly for the sake of social virtue is a sick state of mind that should never be encouraged, let alone imposed.
But sex and gender ARE the same thing, and were used interchangeably FOREVER until fairly recently when trying to tease gender away from sex became trendy. But there is no real reason to do so, gender is meaningless without being inextricably tied to sex. And sex is, for virtually every human in existence, based on XX or XY chromosomes. To think of gender as some sort of psychological overlay of biological sex is just pseudoscience wankery. There are males, regardless of how they act, and there are females, regardless of how they act. Thats it. Humans, and mammals/vertebrates in general, are not a species that fluctuates in that fashion.
For lack of a better explanation, they have literally whittled down being a woman to wearing a costume. (For trans women) It should be extremely insulting to women that the real struggles and issues they face are thrown to the wind for the applause given to these brave "women". Both men and women have huge weight and expectations put on their shoulders (having children for one, protection and providing for the other). You can't cosplay your way to understanding what it is to be a man or a woman.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
One day - possibly soon, possibly not - someone is going to die in an emergency situation because of this stuff. I'm not even joking. Emergency services have to be very clear about who and how many people are in danger in any given emergency.
That is really the only aspect of this entire very silly debate that worries me.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
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