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This is the correct take.

I highly doubt this whole trans/non binary thing becomes a major lore point other than just a character development quest that you can ignore. Like I ignored all of Viviennes bullshit in Inquisition. Just don't play with that character if you don't wanna see it? Or play it and just forget about it as completely unimportant, because at the end of the day, it is. It's a video game. Don't look to video games to shape your world view or 'accept' something you otherwise wouldn't in the real world. If you don't accept trans/non binary people in your normal life, no one expects this game to change your opinion.

They wrote the character the way they wanted to write the character. They're not doing it to spite anyone in particular. This is rage baiting and click farming at its finest, and several people here are absolutely taking the bait.

Problem is, shit like that only serves to take players out of the fantasy.

In a game with medieval elements, the typical knights, rogues, wizards... ya know the timeless stuff. Then you suddenly throw in very divisive contemporary social issues into the mix, yeah no thanks. Just reeks of the director injecting personal current day shit into a game where it doesnt belong.

Life is strange? Current day game in an environment where using terms like non-binary as someones gender identity would make sense and wouldn't take you out of the story so much. A medieval fantasy game? Right...

 

[Sentenza]

So this is why they forgot to expand enemy variety and make better level design and side quests?

I have yet to see a single thing about this game so far that I liked and somehow some people are making it seem like "being woke" is the only deciding factor here (regardless if someone is pro or against it).

 

[KungFucius]

imagine being an adult upset by this.

Worse, being a human and finding people who are biologically different, but still human disgusting.

 

[royox]

This is the correct take.

I highly doubt this whole trans/non binary thing becomes a major lore point other than just a character development quest that you can ignore. Like I ignored all of Viviennes bullshit in Inquisition. Just don't play with that character if you don't wanna see it? Or play it and just forget about it as completely unimportant, because at the end of the day, it is. It's a video game. Don't look to video games to shape your world view or 'accept' something you otherwise wouldn't in the real world. If you don't accept trans/non binary people in your normal life, no one expects this game to change your opinion.

I mean, can we really? I remember in Inquisition or other DA games you could just not recruit some characters or even kill them. Can we do this with this Character and forget it even existed? Or I will have her in all my "whole team conversations" reminding me that she wants to be called as "they" instead of focusing of literal demigods awakening and threatening the world?

With your last sentence, what you kinda not understanding is that this is NOT about acceptande or tolerance. It's about Immersion. If I'm playing a game set in a dark medieval fantasy setting the last thing I want to see in the game is stuff from Earth in 2024. It kills my immersion because it brings you back to reality, and it makes you think "ah, of course they added this for THIS reason" and makes my eyes roll till they do a full circle. Being immersed in the game and the lore is super important for me and if you break this just to pander some 1% of people called "the modern audience" you are losing me as a consumer.

This is the 1st Bioware game since KOTOR that I will NOT buy on Day 1.

Yes, I bought ME Andromeda, SWTOR and even ANTHEM day 1. They lost my respect as a gamer and as a fan of their work with all they are showing of Veilguard (this character bullshit was only the last nail, the killing shot being the fact that you cannot import your world state from inquisition because their writting team is shit)

 

[cormack12]

It's kind of surreal. when I first started playing Bioware games, the current Bioware director was probably in diapers.

Judging by the look of him, he probably still is. For the feelings.

 

[IDKFA]

The biggest put off for me is the 21st century dialogue. The characters use words and phrases as if they've been transported from 2020s USA.

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

I have nothing against trans people, but neutral language is something that I don't support, I'll not act like I was going to buy this game in the first place because I wasn't. But I'll be curious to see how this performs. They keep telling us that the modern audiences like this type of thing, let's see if this statement holds any water.

 

[RavenSan]

Problem is, shit like that only serves to take players out of the fantasy.

In a game with medieval elements, the typical knights, rogues, wizards... ya know the timeless stuff. Then you suddenly throw in very divisive contemporary social issues into the mix, yeah no thanks. Just reeks of the director injecting personal current day shit into a game where it doesnt belong.

Life is strange? Current day game in an environment where using terms like non-binary as someones gender identity would make sense and wouldn't take you out of the story so much. A medieval fantasy game? Right...

I mean, can we really? I remember in Inquisition or other DA games you could just not recruit some characters or even kill them. Can we do this with this Character and forget it even existed? Or I will have her in all my "whole team conversations" reminding me that she wants to be called as "they" instead of focusing of literal demigods awakening and threatening the world?

With your last sentende, what you kinda not understanding is that this is NOT about acceptande or tolerance. It's about Inmersion. If I'm playing a game set in a dark medieval fantasy setting the last thing I want to see in the game is stuff from Earth in 2024. It kills my inmersion because it brings you back to reality, and it makes you think "ah, of course they added this for THIS reason" and makes my eyes roll till they do a full circle. Being inmersed in the game and the lore is super important for me and if you break this just to pander some 1% of people called "the modern audience" you are losing me as a consumer.

This is the 1st Bioware game since KOTOR that I will NOT buy on Day 1.

Yes, I bought ME Andromeda, SWTOR and even ANTHEM day 1. They lost my respect as a gamer and as a fan of their work with all they are showing of Veilguard (this character bullshit was only the last nail, the killing shot being the fact that you cannot import your world state from inquisition because their writting team is shit)

Fair points on breaking immersion, I understand that.

For me personally, I can just ignore it and roll my eyes and be done with it. If it's really gonna affect your enjoyment of the game that much, then that really sucks, and I'm sorry. (That was sincere, not being a douche, haha, sometimes tone gets lost on text)

 

[PeteBull]

Just imagine how many sales they have lost due to pushing this retarded ideology.

We will know soon enough, DA:I sold 12m copies so we will be able to directly compare sales over a year or two, but hell even initial sales numbers if/when we will get those will paint very interesting picture.

From what i saw they need at least couple milion sales in launch window(so full price) to break even, anything after that is profit.

Quick math 3m sales= 210m usd in revenue but for EA its around 140m coz platform holders (steam/ps store/ms store)take 30% cut, discversions have even nastier cut too so if we assume 200m usd budget(likely more but lets just assume 200m) they only break even if sold 4,5m copies full price.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Only romancable one is a fucking midget

 

[PeteBull]

Forget the whole gender stuff, the main problem starts with the fact that the writers are just skill-less.

Thats what u get with DEI hires, u can tell whole game was made by women for women, for straight males like us who simply like that dark setting, brutality and actual stuff that was in previous DA games- there is literally nothing like this here- from child written dialogues to terribe purple setting to all characters looking ugly to avoid that infamous male gaze, they even fked up combat system and enemies, including main enemy but i won go into spoilers

 

[PeteBull]

what are Eve's pronouns? I need to know

She has none, which makes her even more sexy

 

[royox]

Fair points on breaking immersion, I understand that.

For me personally, I can just ignore it and roll my eyes and be done with it. If it's really gonna affect your enjoyment of the game that much, then that really sucks, and I'm sorry. (That was sincere, not being a douche, haha, sometimes tone gets lost on text)

For me it's hard because i'm the kind of guy that when plays a game with a lot of talk or when watches a movie i get super inside of that and when there's some drop of "THE MESSAGE" out of place it takes me out of my kind of "trance" and pisses me off.

I'm still not over the stupid "Women Power" scene in Endgame lol. That was such a slap for my brain after 3 hours of almost feeling i was inside of the movie. The more unnatural it is, the more "forced", the more it pisses me if I was having a great time.

Then stuff like "the gay episode" of The Last of Us in HBO, I really don't care. It was a boring, unnecessary filler episode just to put the "tick" on a checklist...but was very VERY well done.

 

[StueyDuck]

I dont think she posts here anymore but we used to have a member (alynn?) that was trans due to a specific chemical exposure in utero that altered her development. She was about the only authentic trans person I've met. Though I also suspect some older folks going trans due to brain injuries or hormonal imbalances. Wouldn't surprise me AT all if microplastics and birth control pills were responsible for most of what we are seeing today.

to be fair I was mostly talking about "non-binary" and pronouns and that whole thing, Gay, trans or any other legitimate sexual orientation I don't think should be in the same conversation as the pronoun squad (In fact i find the pronoun thing actively diminishes and erases the identity of being gay or transgender etc).

I'd never argue that a transgender person isn't transgender, but there is nothing tangible or real about being non-binary, it's a complete fallacy and even the literature provided was literally that, just literature. Many " academics " waste money and come up with nothing, which is what most "academics" do. What makes a Cat-person anything other than them just saying it? That is where my issue lies with the whole thing and as we all know there isn't anything other than people forcing you to say or do things, it's just a sort of power dynamic and bullying used by young adults.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I'm still not over the stupid "Women Power" scene in Endgame lol. That was such a slap for my brain after 3 hours of almost feeling i was inside of the movie. The more unnatural it is, the more "forced", the more it pisses me if I was having a great time.

Even my wife thought that was the worst scene in the movie.

 

[digdug2]

Think of Anthem as their first yellow card. Veilguard may become a red card.

I could've sworn that Mass Effect 3 was their first yellow card due to that shit-ass ending.

 

[Tangerine]

I could've sworn that Mass Effect 3 was their first yellow card due to that shit-ass ending.

Don't forget mass effect andromeda. They have already had a red card if 3 is a yellow.

If this sells well I have zero faith in the gaming community as a whole. Skill ups review seemed right on the money.

The woke shit takes it to the next level.

What a milk toast, safe, sanitised boring experience, I assume having not played it. Educated guess though.

 

[evolve]

Worse, being a human and finding people who are biologically different, but still human disgusting.

I think people have an issue when these things feel forced and thrown in their face. Nobody cares if you are x/y/z. It's like the "i'm vegan" meme. Bro, nobody fucking cares, go eat your tofu and leave me alone.

Well, IF you really want to introduce some political or gender stuff you can do it if you are a competent enough writer. Example: baldur's gate 3. You'll have some idiots saying stuff but it's going to be just the idiots and nobody's going to pay attention to them. When you combine bad writers and this stuff thrown to your face for no apparent reason, you are going to see more than just the usual idiots complaining and for good reason.

 

[MiguelItUp]

I'm glad this flopped lmao.

80/83 is by no means a "flop"...

 

[evolve]

80/83 is by no means a "flop"...

It's probably going to drop. It seems like they didn't send review codes to those who were negative in their previews.

 

[MiguelItUp]

It's probably going to drop. It seems like they didn't send review codes to those who were negative in their previews.

I'm not sure. From the morning to the evening it really didn't drop much. I didn't look too into it because I wasn't invested at all, but it didn't seem like they gave codes to a lot of people. Hard to tell if it's a genuine "thing" regarding them being selective, or if people are just creating another scenario because of the "drama" revolving around the game.

I'm not a fan of the series or interested in this game at all, it's just interesting to observe.

 

[MMaRsu]

80/83 is by no means a "flop"...

The actual reviews arent out yet

 

[MMaRsu]

From the morning to the evening it really didn't drop much.

Because the rest of the outlets have not received a code yet lol, let alone written a review in 24 hours

 

[evolve]

I'm not sure. From the morning to the evening it really didn't drop much. I didn't look too into it because I wasn't invested at all, but it didn't seem like they gave codes to a lot of people. Hard to tell if it's a genuine "thing" regarding them being selective, or if people are just creating another scenario because of the "drama" revolving around the game.

I'm not a fan of the series or interested in this game at all, it's just interesting to observe.

I mean the game is not out yet i believe? So more reviews will come later this week or next week. Fextralife and other content creators talked about it yesterday before the other drama started.

 

[MiguelItUp]

The actual reviews arent out yet

They're not? https://opencritic.com/game/17037/dragon-age-the-veilguard

I mean the game is not out yet i believe? So more reviews will come later this week or next week. Fextralife and other content creators talked about it yesterday before the other drama started.

I didn't bother looking at any of that because they were sourcing Grummz and related accounts. Just going by what I observed personally.

 

[Dazraell]

I'm not sure. From the morning to the evening it really didn't drop much. I didn't look too into it because I wasn't invested at all, but it didn't seem like they gave codes to a lot of people. Hard to tell if it's a genuine "thing" regarding them being selective, or if people are just creating another scenario because of the "drama" revolving around the game.

I'm not a fan of the series or interested in this game at all, it's just interesting to observe.

It's gonna change in a week or so, outlets who didn't received review codes has to wait until launch and only then they will be able to start playing

 

[MMaRsu]

They're not? https://opencritic.com/game/17037/dragon-age-the-veilguard

Yes these are all paid shills and/or activists

Giving this game a 10/10 is actually retarded if you look at the actual gameplay, writing, quests you are doing etc.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Yes these are all paid shills and/or activists

It's amusing because at this point these reviews are "shills/activists" but when the game releases it will surely be bombed by folks that are already unhappy with a lot of things revolving around its content. Shame for folks that are genuinely just curious about the game.

 

[evolve]

They're not? https://opencritic.com/game/17037/dragon-age-the-veilguard


I didn't bother looking at any of that because they were sourcing Grummz and related accounts. Just going by what I observed personally.

Idk about Grummz. Fextralife and others just talked about their own experience and how they were denied a review code despite being invited to preview the game. There's definitely something fishy going on.

 

[MMaRsu]

It's amusing because at this point these reviews are "shills/activists" but when the game releases it will surely be bombed by folks that are already unhappy with a lot of things revolving around its content. Shame for folks that are genuinely just curious about the game.

If you are genuinely curious about the game, you should know that EA did not give out review codes for outlets/content creators like Fextralife, because they aren't positive enough after being flown in for their preview event.

Take that however you will.

Picking and choosing who gets to review your precious product, reeks of desperation and not being confident in your product.

 

[bbeach123]

Nowaday jsut pick your youtuber/reviewers that had similar taste to yours .Preview and review doesnt mean shit anymore . Fuck em.

 

[Kdad]

Many here seem to have underdeveloped frontal lobes. I blame lead.

 

[Pancakes and Sausage]

Does this RPG give me the freedom of choice to refuse their pronouns? To be rude, mean and directly insulting to them?

Or are their pronouns simply forced upon me?

 

[MiguelItUp]

Nowaday jsut pick your youtuber/reviewers that had similar taste to yours .Preview and review doesnt mean shit anymore . Fuck em.

People give reviews too much power, I've never understood it personally. Makes much more sense to stick to the opinions from sources that have opinions similar to your own, or just see for yourself. People praise those numbers like they're some magical prophet.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Yes these are all paid shills and/or activists

Giving this game a 10/10 is actually retarded if you look at the actual gameplay, writing, quests you are doing etc.

Its only retarded when its a game you dont want to like, but its not retarded when its a game u want to like. Show the receipts that you disregard critics on all games.

 

[MMaRsu]

Does this RPG give me the freedom of choice to refuse their pronouns? To be rude, mean and directly insulting to them?

Or are their pronouns simply forced upon me?

No

 

[HogIsland]

Yeah... Fuck this patronizing bullshit, by the way.
I'm not "upset by it", in the sense I generally don't spend a single minute of my day going the rounds crying about "teh woke", but on the other hand you'll forgive if some people are growing at least a bit tired of being constantly preached on how awesome and heartwarming mental illness really is (and how everyone should embrace it and praise it).
No, I won't endorse your "non binary" delusions and I won't buy that "trans women are women" even if you'll repeat it until blue in the face.

Honestly it sounds like you could benefit from more patronizing and a few titty twisters.

 

[Topher]

What happens when jobs are filled due to other things besides merit.

Then we start seeing dialog options that are straight outta gifs.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That may be so, but the more we study the nature of human behavior and its relationship to culture, history, and genetics, the more we realize that this is very complicated. As with any other field of study, the increasing amount of data and new information we gather over the years necessitates an update of previous tools and methods. The fields of astronomy, biology, archaeology, geology, etc were all "simpler" back then, but that doesn't make them more "correct". One can either accept this or dismiss this, but a proper dismissal should include justified reasons, otherwise it's not borne out of rationality.

It's hypocritical when all things are said and done. Ideological, really.

"No, no, not that biology, but this biology."

It's also a massive medical business now worth hundreds of billions with patients for life. Especially ironic knowing where and whom it all started with, really.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

The good thing is that Hollywood is having catastrophic losses for these ridiculous things and they can no longer stand the pressure, just like we do with the Boycott in this sector... Let's do the same with Playstation and these games... We are the ones who rule with the wallet, not them.

 

[Sentenza]

Honestly it sounds like you could benefit from more patronizing and a few titty twisters.

Honestly it sounds like in your desperate effort to be smug you completely failed at being funny.
Jesus Christ, what a load of CRINGE.

 

[Topher]

It's hypocritical when all things are said and done. Ideological, really.

"No, no, not that biology, but this biology."

It's also a massive medical business now worth hundreds of billions with patients for life. Especially ironic knowing where and whom it all started with, really.

Bit amazing how "biology" has been turned on its head in just the last few years. Tail wagging the dog.

 

[HogIsland]

Honestly it sounds like in your desperate effort to be smug you completely failed at being funny.
Jesus Christ, what a load of CRINGE.

nah titty twisters is funny, lighten up snowflake, learn to take a joke!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Bit amazing how "biology" has been turned on its head in just the last few years. Tail wagging the dog.

One only needs to follow the money and their bards.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Bit amazing how "biology" has been turned on its head in just the last few years. Tail wagging the dog.

If only it was real. Then you'd be able to identity as young.

 

[Topher]

If only it was real. Then you'd be able to identity as young.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Does this RPG give me the freedom of choice to refuse their pronouns? To be rude, mean and directly insulting to them?

Or are their pronouns simply forced upon me?

 

[jason10mm]

Does this RPG give me the freedom of choice to refuse their pronouns? To be rude, mean and directly insulting to them?

Or are their pronouns simply forced upon me?

I doubt it.

If they REALLY wanted to be passive aggressive, then they should have written in a very 'transphobic' dialogue tree, about half through awarding you a "you're a MEANIE!!" achievement that would then clearly signal who went down that path versus a more "accepting" one. That kind of dev trolling would have been GENIUS but I think they feared it would have been a "95% of gamers have also earned this achievement" backfire on their ideology.

 

[Kacho]

Does this RPG give me the freedom of choice to refuse their pronouns? To be rude, mean and directly insulting to them?

Or are their pronouns simply forced upon me?

No. Rook has no ability to be mean in general. You are the generic good guy no matter what. You’re just there to experience things as a passenger.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No. Rook has no ability to be mean in general. You are the generic good guy no matter what. You’re just there to experience things as a passenger.