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Dragon Age Veilguard, Non Binary character

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
But sex and gender ARE the same thing, and were used interchangeably FOREVER until fairly recently when trying to tease gender away from sex became trendy.

As our body of knowledge about human biology and psychology grew, we realized that it's more accurate to separate those two in order to be more precise in our language. This is what happens when new information is gathered. The scientists researching these topics evolved the vocabulary because it was needed, not because it was trendy.
 

Calico345

Gold Member
As our body of knowledge about human biology and psychology grew, we realized that it's more accurate to separate those two in order to be more precise in our language. This is what happens when new information is gathered. The scientists researching these topics evolved the vocabulary because it was needed, not because it was trendy.

Scientists caved to liberal social pressures. Plenty of scientists and doctors are speaking out about the various problems with allowing all of this gender identity and related politics to get his far out of hand.
 

kevboard

Member
Not "a few years ago"


I am not counting some sexologists using some definitions in textbooks as this being an actual way people used these words.
the word Meme to refer to running gags, or often repeated joke formats, hasn't been used until the mid 2000s, even tho Dawkins coined the term "Meme" in 1976

so the term meme was basically not used up until the 2000s. it doesn't matter that it was a word and definition someone came up with in the 70s and was only used among a tiny circle of academics.

but again, that wouldn't change the fact that it is a nonsensical distinction to begin with. this entire idea should have been tossed into the garbage a long time ago. it literally is just "hey, we sure have stereotypes don't we?"... and aren't stereotypes supposed to be a bad thing?
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Scientists caved to liberal social pressures.
How do you know that?

Plenty of scientists and doctors are speaking out about the various problems with allowing all of this gender identity and related politics to get his far out of hand.
Yet the vast majority of the textbooks and leading medical institutions are on board with the sex/gender distinction. Did all of them cave to liberal social pressure? They're not just practicing what works?
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Language, like science, is efficient. Every language on this planet aims to express the most information with the least words. For that purpose, it must be precise and describe real concepts of the real world.
Where is your room for metaphor and poetry in this precise and real language world you have?

There are some languages that are information dense in some circumstances and not in others, and have wildly different values when compared to each other. Yet, we all seem to be doing fine.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
How do you know that?


Yet the vast majority of the textbooks and leading medical institutions are on board with the sex/gender distinction. Did all of them cave to liberal social pressure? They're not just practicing what works?
Of course they are, especially in a pseudoscience like "psychology", particularly in a gender studies type focus. Ever read ANY of their papers? Completely obtuse gooblegook full of circular arguments.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I am not counting some sexologists using some definitions in textbooks as this being an actual way people used these words.

I'm following the science. That's what we're supposed to do, right? In casual conversation, people were more accustomed to this change as the sexual revolution kicked into gear. Of course this change in language wasn't going to catch on in more regressive circles where identifying oneself as different could result in harm. Chasing Amy was released in the 90s and had a scene about pronouns.

the word Meme to refer to running gags, or often repeated joke formats, hasn't been used until the mid 2000s, even tho Dawkins coined the term "Meme" in 1976

so the term meme was basically not used up until the 2000s. it doesn't matter that it was a word and definition someone came up with in the 70s and was only used among a tiny circle of academics.
This has little to do with what we're talking about. I'm referencing the general accepted use of this language, not hanging the whole argument on the very first documented case of usage.

but again, that wouldn't change the fact that it is a nonsensical distinction to begin with. this entire idea should have been tossed into the garbage a long time ago. it literally is just "hey, we sure have stereotypes don't we?"... and aren't stereotypes supposed to be a bad thing?
It's not nonsense to the people researching this subject, and to the people who live this experience daily. It works perfectly fine for them, which fulfills the purpose of language. Just like boomers don't understand zoomer lingo, it makes sense that you're not familiar with updated language that isn't relevant in your particular social circle.
 

Crayon

Member
Haven't seen much of this. If it is somehow a worthwhile human story shown rather than told, it would be... Nothing. It would be something anyone can relate to. Normal. Good.

Buuuuuttt it's not going to be that lol. Let's be real. It's going to be hamfisted and superficial. And it's going to piss off some people because they are understandably sick it. Crap content made by people who include something out of obligation without having anything interesting to say about it.
 
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strike670

Member
I have no personal aminus against anyone and how they identify. You can do as you please, as long as you are not hurting others. Odd and quirky people have existed throughout human civilization, this nothing new.

But what does nonbinary actually mean? Because when I think of binary, I generally think of numerical or a system of numbers.
 
I have no personal aminus against anyone and how they identify. You can do as you please, as long as you are not hurting others. Odd and quirky people have existed throughout human civilization, this nothing new.

But what does nonbinary actually mean? Because when I think of binary, I generally think of numerical or a system of numbers.
The binary gender options are either male or female which come with associated gender roles depending on your culture. Non-binary refers to choosing some other option besides those two primary default options and choosing not to fit into one of those two gender roles. People try to enforce the binary way of thinking by saying no, you're either male or female and you can't be anything else. They confuse sex and gender, even though sex is also not strictly binary. Some people are happy to fit into these binary roles, great! Some people want to be something else, also great as long as they're not hurting anyone!
 
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Kotaro

Member
Is it discounted internationally already on Steam?

I'm currently in Bali, and here's the price listed for Veilguard. That's roughly less than $42 USD

Even Life is Strange is more expensive than that


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xenosys

Neo Member
Bill Nye erased his old Science Guy episode about chromosomes and Joe Rogan tells people space isn’t real. Science is replaced with idiocracy.

Joe Rogan absolutely believes in Space. He has astronomers and physicists on all the time and nods along to the all the shit they say. He had Brian Cox on the other day. It's his buddies Eddie Bravo and Brendan Schaub that are the flat-earth bottom feeders.
 

strike670

Member
The binary gender options are either male or female which come with associated gender roles depending on your culture. Non-binary refers to choosing some other option besides those two primary default options and choosing not to fit into one of those two gender roles. People try to enforce the binary way of thinking by saying no, you're either male or female and you can't be anything else. They confuse sex and gender, even though sex is also not strictly binary. Some people are happy to fit into these binary roles, great! Some people want to be something else, also great as long as they're not hurting anyone!

Maybe I am just too old being a late stage Gen Xer. But how can you identify as anything beyond male or female? I am not really following. I mean if you choose to not identify as male or female then you are non-binary? I assume that is what you mean. I just don't follow how one comes to that conclusion and why. To escape gender roles? I am trying to understand.
 

Mister Wolf

Gold Member
Maybe I am just too old being a late stage Gen Xer. But how can you identify as anything beyond male or female? I am not really following. I mean if you choose to not identify as male or female then you are non-binary? I assume that is what you mean. I just don't follow how one comes to that conclusion and why. To escape gender roles? I am trying to understand.

Delusion mixed with entitlement.
 
Maybe I am just too old being a late stage Gen Xer. But how can you identify as anything beyond male or female? I am not really following. I mean if you choose to not identify as male or female then you are non-binary? I assume that is what you mean. I just don't follow how one comes to that conclusion and why. To escape gender roles? I am trying to understand.
Essentially yes, that's my understanding. I think in days past you might have called yourself a tomboy.
 
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Maybe I am just too old being a late stage Gen Xer. But how can you identify as anything beyond male or female? I am not really following. I mean if you choose to not identify as male or female then you are non-binary? I assume that is what you mean. I just don't follow how one comes to that conclusion and why. To escape gender roles? I am trying to understand.
Remember that time in school when people were peer pressuring you to try drugs? Just say no.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
Joe Rogan absolutely believes in Space. He has astronomers and physicists on all the time and nods along to the all the shit they say. He had Brian Cox on the other day. It's his buddies Eddie Bravo and Brendan Schaub that are the flat-earth bottom feeders.

Haven't listened to this yet, but I'd hope Brian set Joe straight on whatever bullshit he still might believe about the moon landings being faked. Good to see him back on it though. Rogan needs to listen to people like |Brian as much as possible - as do his audience.
 
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There will be multiple forensic ways to identify the sex of someone's bones (shape, proportion, density, residual DNA, etc). Gender can be assumed to be the same as the sex, since it most likely was, unless there are other lifestyle clues or a biography or diary or something, that suggests otherwise.
A man who dresses like a woman and wears make up is still a man.
 

Dazraell

Member
Is it discounted internationally already on Steam?

I'm currently in Bali, and here's the price listed for Veilguard. That's roughly less than $42 USD

Even Life is Strange is more expensive than that


aQ3Kqoc.jpeg
It's probably a side effect of currency rates Steam suggests to devs. You most likely should be able to see the prices in other countries on SteamDB, in the price history tab. They have this neat thing that allows you to compare how the price in your region is comparable to other countries in the world
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Joe Rogan absolutely believes in Space. He has astronomers and physicists on all the time and nods along to the all the shit they say. He had Brian Cox on the other day. It's his buddies Eddie Bravo and Brendan Schaub that are the flat-earth bottom feeders.

He believes in space, but doesn't think we went to the moon. It's wild.
 

PeteBull

Member
If they identify as men, sure. They're cross dressers and they're fabulous.
Thats the problem here, u think same rules apply to white guy who identifies black? Ofc not, so just apply the same logic here. Same way like u cant tell ppl u identify as black when u are snowbunny same way there is with sex, there are only 2 sexes and it was like that for milenia, reality and biology didnt change even if few clowns decided it should :)
Guys with chopped off penises were known tru history for a vely long time, they even could be found in ancient china, they werent called women back then either- they were eunuchs.
 
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Pey.

Gold Member
I bring you the good stuff. I recorded all sequences from the Qunari non-binary companion, Taash. Spoilers are a given (unless you don't care about her story).

 
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Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
I bring you the good stuff. I recorded all sequences from the Qunari non-binary companion, Taash. Spoilers are a given (unless you don't care about her story).



It's all so stupid. The writing, the subject matter, the delivery - it almost feels intentionally bad.

Fake edit: I only watched like 5 minutes of it. I'm sure it gets much better.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
Haven't listened to this yet, but I'd hope Brian set Joe straight on whatever bullshit he still might believe about the moon landings being faked. Good to see him back on it though. Rogan needs to listen to people like |Brian as much as possible - as do his audience.
Wait a minute my man Brian Cox is back on Joe Rogan!? hopefully he addresses the sheer amount of bollocks i've heard joe come off with in a few podcasts about humans can't get through the van allen radiation belt and other such ffs Joe quips..
 
I bring you the good stuff. I recorded all sequences from the Qunari non-binary companion, Taash. Spoilers are a given (unless you don't care about her story).


Damn, it's like watching a soap opera. Isn't the world burning or something? Don't we have pressing matters at hand?

I wouldn't last 10 minutes in this game..
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
I bring you the good stuff. I recorded all sequences from the Qunari non-binary companion, Taash. Spoilers are a given (unless you don't care about her story).



Jesus i just skipped through that, i didn't realize it was that bad, listen i get what they are trying to do here but fuck me, to put it in a mainstream game for the worldwide masses....

Bold Strategy Cotton GIF by MOODMAN
/her/they/them
 

GulfCoastZilla

Gold Member
imagine being an adult upset by this.
🖕This
It’s not going to make you gay or whatever weird fear people maybe having just because one character is not straight.

Acting like the world and realms of the games we play are only filled with straight people is weird. You really need to seek therapy and talk to a psychiatrist if you get this mad over something so minor. I’m being serious, get a grip.

Did ya’ll have a fucking crisis when Harry Potter came out. “We want to own the libs and support the game, but there is a trans character in the game that has the audacity to help the player, what do I do? “

You buy the game and enjoy it. That’s what you do. If you’re letting ONE character ruin a whole game for you, then you have big problems.
 
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I still ain't got a clue wtf non-binary is supposed to be, so is it someone who hates binary code or some shit like that ??
It's a cultural phenomenon where individuals create solutions for problems that don't exist.

You can choose to behave in any way you see fit - as long as you are not harming others or forcing these opinions as a fact upon others.
Just don't demand others to put you on a special pedestal because you're a weird narcissistic mentally deficient cunt.
 
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SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Sure, and at an individual level, its usually pretty easy to accomodate folks that feel this way. BUUUUUT that doesn't mean we should be rewriting our language and instituting laws over it, nor getting lectures about it in our video games (or at least we shouldn't be called bigots if we don't like it).
Language is rewritten constantly over far less. That's a losing battle.

I think tone matters in how people talk about it and a hectoring tone probably doesn't convince anyone, so I will agree with that.

"I'm non-binary. Which swim team should I be on and which locker room can I change in? Which bathroom should I use? What roommate can I have and if they are uncomfortable with my external genitalia are they a horrible bigot?
These have all always been a choice, man. I mentioned above I used to work in an office with a butch lesbian who was more comfortable using the men's room and no one ever thought to complain. There were never been laws governing bathroom use, women use men's rooms all the time for reasons as simple as the line being too long.

Which gender can I punch in the head for sport?"
That's not how it works. Non-binary people can't choose what gender to represent in sport based on identity alone. That's just not a thing.

When trans people (again not the same thing as NB) have been allowed to compete, it's because they have medically transitioned and tested with hormone levels consistent with the gender they're competing with. I recognize that's still controversial for some perfectly legitimate reasons, and that birth sex can, in some cases, lead to disparities beyond hormone level, but it's a different conversation than NB, and also doesn't at all work how you seem to think.
 
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Dazraell

Member
I bring you the good stuff. I recorded all sequences from the Qunari non-binary companion, Taash. Spoilers are a given (unless you don't care about her story).


Fucking hell, Taash's arc feels like self-insert projecting their own problems instead of making a character whose arc comes off naturally from the story
 
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