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[OmegaSupreme]

I'm not concerned about if it was studied or not. I'm concerned about the confirmation. I'm surprised you haven't realized that.

"not studies" "Or even suggest it's a possibility" They clearly did think it was a a possibility. Hence the studies that actually exist that you weren't aware of.

 

[StueyDuck]

Long story short is that you summarized what I wrote in a wrong way to fit your own preconceived conclusions.


Apples and oranges. I'm not talking about the existence of studies themselves. I'm talking about studies that confirm the existence of the object of discussion. There are not studies as far as I'm aware, that confirm telepathy or telekinesis, or even suggest that it's a possibility. There are lots of studies that acknowledge non-binary as part of human psychology.

You also still haven't addressed the part about yourself not answering the questions that I ask you. I have been very consistent in answering your questions fully.

It's Oranges to Oranges, all you have been able to tell me so far is that humans think things and technically that is biology.

So why is a person thinking they can read minds any different from a person thinking they are non-binary?

All i want is for you to lead me to the data so I can see for myself that we've done it, we've officially proven it biologically and chemically by judging the chemistry of the human brain.

 

[Fabieter]

Its not even that, its being "moral" according to their insane sick degenerate views, normal traditional views are looked down upon

For real they punish you for doing so?

 

[EN250]

It's a discussion forum, nobody's day is ruined.

OP's seems pretty pissed tho

Everyone is free to discuss this non-news, just don't feed the grifters, idiots like Grumz live for this stuff even though we all knew this stuff was in the game for months already

These are imo the last ditch efforts to push this nonsense in games, it failed with Concord, Strong Independent Star Wars woman and the other one that was too on the nose to be "satire" and can't remember the name

 

[TheChadOfGaming]

 

[SF Kosmo]

Woah woah woah, a role playing game that lets you define your character's identity however the player wants?

I am frankly disgusted by this.

 

[Jinxed]

I would love a thread with our own custom response to her telling us this.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Where else does consciousness come from, if not the brain?

All tests done so far establish this link very substantially. If we alter the brain, we most likely alter the conscious experience of that person that brain belongs to.

Yes, we can make observations that seem to indicate that. There are also observations which seem to go against that notion. It is a mystery to mankind for at least 2500 years now, which is when the Greek philosophers started debating the origin of consciousness and the related, famous mind-body problem that goes along with it. The most important questions in human history don't have any definite answers. This is why to some, the whole realm of empirical studies is rather boring: if you can easily infer an answer to a question by simply applying the empirical method (observing nature with the instruments available to us and identifying patterns or rules), it is seen as rather trivial in nature.

 

[Rentahamster]

"Or even suggest it's a possibility" They clearly did. Enough to do experiments about it.

The results of the research did not conclude that ESP is a realistic possibility.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Lmaooo think this is fake and a edit. Although I'm not surprised if it wasn't in today's age. Not buying this game either way as none of the things I've seen interest me.

 

[Fabieter]

OP's seems pretty pissed tho

Everyone is free to discuss this non-news, just don't feed the grifters, idiots like Grumz live for this stuff even though we all knew this stuff was in the game for months already

These are imo the last ditch efforts to push this nonsense in games, it failed with Concord, Strong Independent Star Wars woman and the other one that was too on the nose to be "satire" and can't remember the name

Why would you still release it with the DEI garbage?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

The results of the research did not conclude that ESP is a realistic possibility.

I edited my post but you were saying there were no studies to begin with. Which is not true. I just wanted to point that out. Otherwise, I'm not getting involved in this silly shit. I found the fact that they did this quite entertaining. We've come a long way.

 

[delfrickintree]

The results of the research did not conclude that ESP is a realistic possibility.

Looks like your bullshit is catching up uo with you. Time to call it a day and tag in another dei pusher teammate?

 

[Killer8]

So the reaction seems to be: "it's an RPG, you can be whatever you want". That's all well and good.

But i'm betting that when a character announces they're trans, this 'RPG' will suddenly become mighty railroaded in how you engage with that information.

Player agency will stop at nodding sagely in agreement.

 

[DeepEnigma]

OP's seems pretty pissed tho

Everyone is free to discuss this non-news, just don't feed the grifters, idiots like Grumz live for this stuff even though we all knew this stuff was in the game for months already

These are imo the last ditch efforts to push this nonsense in games, it failed with Concord, Strong Independent Star Wars woman and the other one that was too on the nose to be "satire" and can't remember the name

The top grifters are the media shills.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Woah woah woah, a role playing game that lets you define your character's identity however the player wants?

I am frankly disgusted by this.

No deerkin no buy.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Woah woah woah, a role playing game that lets you define your character's identity however the player wants?

I am frankly disgusted by this.

Masterful gaslighting.

 

[Rentahamster]

It's Oranges to Oranges, all you have been able to tell me so far is that humans think things and technically that is biology.

Or you could actually quote the questions that I asked you directly, and then answer them directly, instead of wrongly paraphrasing them.

So why is a person thinking they can read minds any different from a person thinking they are non-binary?

Because mind reading can't be demonstrated to work, and a non-binary self identity can be reasonably established via a psychological evaluation.

All i want is for you to lead me to the data so I can see for myself that we've done it, we've officially proven it biologically and chemically by judging the chemistry of the human brain.

Do you find the American Psychological Association (APA) to be a reputable organization regarding the most up to date and science based findings on human psychology?

 

[geary]

I'm surprised one fo the characters isn't vegan.

Maybe in DLC

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

So the reaction seems to be: "it's an RPG, you can be whatever you want". That's all well and good.

But i'm betting that when a character announces they're trans, this 'RPG' will suddenly become mighty railroaded in how you engage with that information.

Player agency will stop at nodding sagely in agreement.

Some of the videos so far have said as much - Matty Plays had a bit where he'd mentioned that you can't really disagree with certain characters, even if you choose the "mean" options in dialogue trees.

 

[Rentahamster]

I edited my post but you were saying there were no studies to begin with. Which is not true. I just wanted to point that out. Otherwise, I'm not getting involved in this silly shit. I found the fact that they did this quite entertaining. We've come a long way.

This is what I said, "There are not studies as far as I'm aware, that confirm telepathy or telekinesis, or even suggest that it's a possibility."

Did the conclusions of the government research suggest that mind reading is a possibility, or did they scrap the entire project in 1995?

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

No, that's not accurate. Rocks aren't rooted in biology.

Unless you're talking about limestone.

We aren't talking about rocks. We are talking about human behaviour.

 

[darrylgorn]

There are a ton of criticisms about the quality of this game that many of the professional gaming sites have simply waved off. I don't think this is going to age well for them.

 

[DeepEnigma]

We aren't talking about rocks. We are talking about human behaviour.

Which some just so happen to be as dense as a rock.

 

[EN250]

Why would you still release it with the DEI garbage?

Because they're stupid self-righteous morons who think their way is the correct way and try to lecture the plebs, but money is not an infinite resource and soon enough this crap will dwindle and disappear because the consumer has the power in his purchase and this crap don't appeal to the general public

 

[SF Kosmo]

Masterful gaslighting.

Lol, next thing you know games will let you choose to have homosexual relationships. The DEI! The DEI! It burns my alabaster skin!

Just don't play an enby if you don't want to play an enby, who the fuck could possibly care about this?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

This is what I said, "There are not studies as far as I'm aware, that confirm telepathy or telekinesis, or even suggest that it's a possibility."

Did the conclusions of the government research suggest that mind reading is a possibility, or did they scrap the entire project in 1995?

My mistake for misunderstanding your position. There's also no reason to get worked up over this my guy. Were you aware of these studies though?

 

[StueyDuck]

Or you could actually quote the questions that I asked you directly, and then answer them directly, instead of wrongly paraphrasing them.


Because mind reading can't be demonstrated to work, and a non-binary self identity can be reasonably established via a psychological evaluation.



Do you find the American Psychological Association (APA) to be a reputable organization regarding the most up to date and science based findings on human psychology?

Ok, how can Non-binary be reasonably established via a psychological evaluation. How do you Scientific declare someone as non-binary vs someone who may be faking it?

What are the APAs findings? what data do they have, I'll trust their organization if they have some data for us to read and see what the outcomes are.

 

[A2una1]

i had a genuine curiosity because the user said there was like tangible research and evidence.

I mean wouldn't that be an interesting read, that people with a larger part of X in the brain are chemically proven to be Non-Binary, i feel that would shake up everything

But more scientificly, not in the context for the game. And I'm a little upset, that the main deciding factor if a game is good or bad seems to be if there are only straight characters in the game...

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Lol, next thing you know games will let you choose to have homosexual relationships. The DEI! The DEI! It burns my alabaster skin!

That's the difference. It looks like you're non-binary propaganda companion isn't a choice. You must take them along and you can't react negatively towards them when it comes to their identity.

 

[Party McHardy]

This definitely puts an end to the small amount of interest I had in this game. You just don’t have to support this ideology with your money, it’s pretty simple.

 

[Rentahamster]

We aren't talking about rocks. We are talking about human behaviour.

If you noticed, so was I. The example about rocks is a counterpoint to what he said about "everything" being rooted in biology. I'm showing that no, not everything is rooted in biology, and to paraphrase my statements that reductively is to miss the point. If you're thinking that any part of my main point is supported by rocks, then go back and read the conversation chain again.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Lol, next thing you know games will let you choose to have homosexual relationships. The DEI! The DEI! It burns my alabaster skin!

Just don't play an enby if you don't want to play an enby, who the fuck could possibly care about this?

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Lol, next thing you know games will let you choose to have homosexual relationships. The DEI! The DEI! It burns my alabaster skin!

Just don't play an enby if you don't want to play an enby, who the fuck could possibly care about this?

Bioware Dev?

Listen....we don't have a choice if were playing and we see it like this:

That is where your gaslighting, straw man bullshit falls apart.

 

[Rentahamster]

There's also no reason to get worked up over this my guy.

How are you concluding that I'm worked up over this? I'm responding to what you told me, and I did not insult you, use harsh language, or all caps.

 

[TGO]

 

[Kacho]

Veilguard is getting ripped to shreds everywhere.

Congrats BioWare. You made a product so absurd you have people legitimately asking if the screenshots they see are real. Fucking dumbasses, man.

 

[Fabieter]

Lol, next thing you know games will let you choose to have homosexual relationships. The DEI! The DEI! It burns my alabaster skin!

Just don't play an enby if you don't want to play an enby, who the fuck could possibly care about this?

It's poorly written on a character base at least. Non toxic and non binary makes this shit unnecessary and we can make people aware if we shit on it.

 

[Dr_Ifto]

Its an RPG. Its possible to never ever encounter this on your playthrough, but lets be outraged. The first game let you be gay all you wanted.

 

[ComputerBlue]

Nothing like that modern day bullshit to destroy any and all immersion.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Its an RPG. Its possible to never ever encounter this on your playthrough, but lets be outraged.

Is it? Is that companion completely optional?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

and a non-binary self identity can be reasonably established via a psychological evaluation.

...that doesn't mean anything though, anything can be "established via psychological evaluation", like religious identity, that doesn't mean whatever is in this identity is actually real.
Unless you can point to some actual peer reviewed and thus scientifically verified chemical properties that indeed make a person without a doubt "non binary", then this identity is no different than religious dogma.

 

[SF Kosmo]

That's the difference. It looks like you're non-binary propaganda companion isn't a choice. You must take them along and you can't react negatively towards them when it comes to their identity.

I assumed that this was about the player character because of the screenshot with the player choosing a trans identity below it, but if I was wrong about that fine.

It's still a silly thing to get upset about. What do you people do if you have an NB coworker, like are you really going to quit or get fired just because you're threatened by their pronouns? Or do you just keep it to yourself and maintain basic respectful behavior like a professional?

 

[Fabieter]

Its an RPG. Its possible to never ever encounter this on your playthrough, but lets be outraged. The first game let you be gay all you wanted.

No its not.

 

[TransTrender]

Lol, next thing you know games will let you choose to have homosexual relationships.

This has been a thing for a long time and was in the first Dragon Age game.
It's fine, aside from how cringe they went about it.

I'm sure BG3 has a much more nuanced and interesting approach.

 

[Krathoon]

What I don't get is that they are using a real world term in a fantasy game.

They put no fantasy spin on it at all.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I assumed that this was about the player character because of the screenshot with the player choosing a trans identity below it, but if I was wrong about that fine.

It's still a silly thing to get upset about. What do you people do if you have an NB coworker, like are you really going to quit or get fired just because you're threatened by their pronouns? Or do you just keep it to yourself and maintain basic respectful behavior like a professional?

Personally i'm not in any way upset about it. It's just silly mental illness that the kids dig these days so they're going to include it. My girlfriend identifies as non-binary. I'm more upset that your people think that breasts beyond a b cup are scary and must not be included lol.

 

[SF Kosmo]

What I don't get is that they are using a real world term in a fantasy game.

They put no fantasy spin on it at all.

Fair criticism, I can think of how they handle these things on Dragon Prince, like it's there but they don't just use modern vernacular for it they explain it in their own idiot.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Personally i'm not in any way upset about it. It's just silly mental illness that the kids dig these days so they're going to include it. My girlfriend identifies as non-binary. I'm more upset that your people think that breasts beyond a b cup are scary and must not be included lol.

You mean your Theyfriend?

I am just having trouble understanding how this is any different than a person with a different religion or whatever, like I might think believing Moronism is stupid but I'm not going to yell at Mormons on the street. And Mormons are probably way more interested in recruiting your kids haha. But people get really threatened by this in ways that don't make sense to me.

 

[Rentahamster]

Ok, how can Non-binary be reasonably established via a psychological evaluation. How do you Scientific declare someone as non-binary vs someone who may be faking it?

What are the APAs findings? what data do they have, I'll trust their organization if they have some data for us to read and see what the outcomes are.

Do you remember what I said about please answering my questions before asking a bunch of your own? This isn't how discussions work. I'm answering your questions as deliberately and respectfully as possible, and only once doing so do I then produce follow-up questions. You're moving on to follow-up questions without any of us agreeing or disagreeing on the stuff that came beforehand.

Here, I'll go back in the thread and pull them up for you, so you don't have to.

Behavior is informed by brain chemistry. Do you agree or not agree?

Do you find the American Psychological Association (APA) to be a reputable organization regarding the most up to date and science based findings on human psychology?

Yes they're a legit source or no they're a bunch of hack frauds.
Just answer the questions directly without trying to qualify them based on what you think I'm going to say in response. This isn't Modern Day Debates. It's a video game forum.