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Dragon Age Veilguard, Non Binary character

rm082e

Member
I don't care about the LGBTQ stuff. I'm more flabbergasted that they took a gritty fantasy series and nerfed every corner to turn it into a pixar-like safe space. I guess it make sense if the development team are far left activists, but I would have expected some business suits at EA to step in and put a stop to it...
 

digdug2

Member
When has this actually happened in reality?




I haven't seen any cases where it has actually happened yet, but they are 100% pushing for it.
 
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I haven't seen any cases where it has actually happened yet, but they are 100% pushing for it.
Don't forget this lil skirmish

 
Interesting. As a friend just pointed out to me, you could play as a non-binary character in Cyberpunk 2077. Just CDPR handled it so much more subtly than Bioware have.
Or it's a game that was highly desired from it's very inception so no one brought it up. People online often use things like this as just another way to bash a game / dev / publisher they don't like.
 
I don't care about the LGBTQ stuff. I'm more flabbergasted that they took a gritty fantasy series and nerfed every corner to turn it into a pixar-like safe space. I guess it make sense if the development team are far left activists, but I would have expected some business suits at EA to step in and put a stop to it...
They can't, or else they'd be accused of silencing minority voices, mansplaining, you name it. Once the trans dude secured the director job, criticism went out the fucking window, and it's toxic positivty all the way until launch.
 

Closer

Member
Oh no, one of they/them!

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StueyDuck

Member
Thank you. Yes, it can be informed by brain chemistry. Do you then agree that brain chemistry is a product of the brain, which is also a biological entity? And that there is a logical chain of complexity from biology to psychology?


I already answered that before. We don't know the specifics. We don't know a lot of great many things about the human psyche. It's very complicated.


Ehh, that was a yes or no question, and your answer was a lot of words that didn't include either a yes or no. But for simplicity's sake, I'm going to assume that you said yes, you trust the APA as a science based organization that is generally a valid resource regarding psych stuff.

If you search for "non binary" on the APA website, there are a lot of references that acknowledge non-binary as real thing that is considered when evaluating people.


In this resolution, for example, they talk about all sorts of issues relating to non binary and other identities. https://www.apa.org/about/policy/resolution-sexual-orientation-parents-children.pdf

There isn't any reason to talk about protecting people in these categories if these categories don't exist.


I think you're reading too much into what I did and didn't say. You're looking for some kind of blood test or cell marker? This topic is more complicated than that. Do you acknowledge the identity of gay people? Do you require some kind of cell marker test to prove to you with enough confidence that they are actually in fact gay?


That's not what I'm saying though, and if that's your summary of what you think I'm saying, that's not accurate.


Sorry to hear that you think it was a waste of time. I don't think so. Thank you for responding.
The brain is a biological entity, but we also know exactly what happens with the brain and emotions for example when we introduce certain stimuli. So I'm not gonna act like it's some sort of mystical presence, we can actually chemically/biologically map the brain and say for example, too much of X can cause a build up of Y that produces Z.

Just because an organization says something doesn't mean it's true or a leading authority, when you see "Worlds best cup of coffee" on the side of a window do you just automatically believe it.

I'll read the studies in my free time but i did skim the posted PDF and I'm not really seeing anything tangible still. Again it's a lot of theory... nothing more, I'll see if i can get through it all another time.

Well We can tell what binary is correct? or do you believe that you can't tell what a man is vs what a woman is? I can tell you that biologically we can very easily define those things, so yes i would like real world science behind non-binary.

Gay people and non-binary are not the same thing and shouldn't be considered the same. Sexual arousal and emotional connection to people are very tangible things that can be discerned. A gay person can't fake it, but there is nothing proving a non-binary person as being that, other than they said so. So quite frankly, you considering these two things to be similar or the same shows the problem with the theoretical thinking.
 
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PeteBull

Member
For real they punish you for doing so?
To not look far, guess what would happen if some1 voiced their opinion about this very game on particular rainbow forum that wasnt positive, it didnt have to be negative, just simply something like- game is not for me, sorry not gonna buy it- pretty sure insta ban, happened to many accounts before as we saw over the years when ppl post screenies of this shit :p
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
They have been designated a special category as there is such a large number of individuals who are choosing to self-identify as non-binary, likely as a result of social conditioning.

If you visit tribes in Africa, being non-binary or transgender would be considered an utterly insane concept.
Which ones?

Meanwhile, here are 6 actual cultures that have multiple gender expressions. The conclusion here is that human culture is complex, and that USA-centric modern western culture isn't the only example of human culture.


 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The problem here is that they are beating people over the head with it again. Needs more subtlety.

I kinda agree with this. I have no issue with LGBTQ+ content, looking forward to play Life is Strange, and even this.

But the screens people are posting, it's turning the gender identity into the focal point, a little too overt.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
On boring topic:

There’s nothing wrong with having non binary characters/trans people in a game.

Theres something very wrong with implementing those characters in a slab-handed, creatively bankrupt way that shows how terrible video gaming writing has become.

And there’s something equally wrong with not having the balls to point out that creative bankruptcy in reviews.
 
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PeteBull

Member
Well, what if I told you that shit is already happening?
People are all fucked up. We need to bring sanity and reason back to the bargaining table.
No jokes i actually watched this american based dating podcast on yt, and in that particular episode one of the guests was girl that tried to make herself look like a cat but actually thought of herself as a dog, behaved like one too including being in relationship, thats how she looks like short clip- her own words btw- "im dressing as a cat, but im a dog, woof" ;D
 




I haven't seen any cases where it has actually happened yet, but they are 100% pushing for it.
Seem more about respecting the childs choice of pronoun, rather than rushing them to Dr Jekyll to slice off body parts and get hormone blockers.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
No jokes i actually watched this american based dating podcast on yt, and in that particular episode one of the guests was girl that tried to make herself look like a cat but actually thought of herself as a dog, behaved like one too including being in relationship, thats how she looks like short clip- her own words btw- "im dressing as a cat, but im a dog, woof" ;D

It's all valid though. We can't deny people their true selves! Lmao People like her would have been thrown in a loony bin not that long ago.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
Which ones?

Meanwhile, here are 6 actual cultures that have multiple gender expressions. The conclusion here is that human culture is complex, and that USA-centric modern western culture isn't the only example of human culture.


Six cultures out of thousands!? Damn. Let's get on that third gender bandwagon right now! They are surely on to something the rest of the world isn't!
 
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PeteBull

Member
I don't care about the LGBTQ stuff. I'm more flabbergasted that they took a gritty fantasy series and nerfed every corner to turn it into a pixar-like safe space. I guess it make sense if the development team are far left activists, but I would have expected some business suits at EA to step in and put a stop to it...
Thats the thing, woke games arent good games with few woke elements sprinkled on top making that game still good but tiny bit less so, nowadays they push that woke agenda down our throats so much that it became their sole priority, games quality is some distant and not very important goal.
Pubs thinking(and rightfully so, as we see over and over again by checking metacritic scores of bad games) - Worst comes to worst we can give free early review copies to few trusted professional journos, they will make sure even mid game gets high review scores :D
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
The brain is a biological entity,
Yup, thanks.

but we also know exactly what happens with the brain and emotions for example when we introduce certain stimuli.
For some simple processes, not all, and not exactly. There are a lot of things that we still don't know.

we can actually chemically/biologically map the brain and say for example, too much of X can cause a build up of Y that produces Z.
That's more helpful when figuring out why you have a headache or mood swings. Much harder when figuring out broader more complex human behavior.

Just because an organization says something doesn't mean it's true or a leading authority
True. Which is why I didn't ask you if you believe everything they tell you, rather I asked if you think they are a science-based and reputable institution.

Just because an organization says something doesn't mean it's true or a leading authority, when you see "Worlds best cup of coffee" on the side of a window do you just automatically believe it.
That's not a good analogy for this situation. I'm not discussing a situation in where you believe something just because they said so. I'm discussing a situation in which you don't have a reason to disregard their findings wholesale.

Well We can tell what binary is correct? or do you believe that you can't tell what a man is vs what a woman is? I can tell you that biologically we can very easily define those things, so yes i would like real world science behind non-binary.
Depends if you're talking about sex (physical) or gender (mental) which are two separate things that have a lot of overlap. For the vast majority of humans, biological sex is straightforward with common attributes like chromosomes, hormone distribution, and sex organ distribution. However nature is weird sometimes, and sometimes it's not that straightforward. There are 8 billion humans on the planet, and even if statistical outliers are only 0.1 percent of the population, that's still a lot of people you have to acknowledge and treat with respect regarding their unique circumstances.

Gay people and non-binary are not the same thing and shouldn't be considered the same. Sexual arousal and emotional connection to people are very tangible things that can be discerned. A gay person can't fake it, but there is nothing proving a non-binary person as being that, other than they said so. So quite frankly, you considering these two things to be similar or the same shows the problem with the theoretical thinking.
Yes, I know they're not the same, but that's not what I was suggesting. I'm employing another analogy based on the traits they share as it is relevant to the points of our conversation. I'm saying that a valid psychological evaluation from a trained professional is good enough for someone to confirm one's identity as non-binary, but you'd want some kind of chemical test to make sure. I'm also saying that a valid psychological evaluation from a trained professional is good enough for someone to confirm one's identity as gay, too, but I don't think you'd really bother for a chemical test in this circumstance, right? Gay and non-binary are not the same thing, but they're both part of human identity expression, and we should employ the tools equally amongst them.
 

Madonis

Member
Based on the reviews I've seen, the game has much bigger writing problems than a character being non-binary (which I don't really care about, either way).

Using the term like that is a bit weird, but there are fantasy or sci-fi settings where the concept of sex or gender does not apply to certain individuals or races.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Six cultures out of thousands!? Damn. Let's get on that third gender bandwagon right now! They are surely on to something the rest of the world isn't!
Yup, 6, and this isn't supposed to be an exhaustive list. You still haven't given me actual counterexamples to what I said other than hypothetical, and trying to downplay this evidence doesn't make your point any stronger.
 

ByWatterson

Member
"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author."

- JRR Tolkien
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
Yup, 6, and this isn't supposed to be an exhaustive list. You still haven't given me actual counterexamples to what I said other than hypothetical, and trying to downplay this evidence doesn't make your point any stronger.
I bet it is a comprehensive list. Even that wiki page you posted (lol) only list a handful. What am I downplaying? What counter examples do I need?
 
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Closer

Member
Yup, 6, and this isn't supposed to be an exhaustive list. You still haven't given me actual counterexamples to what I said other than hypothetical, and trying to downplay this evidence doesn't make your point any stronger.

The funny thing is that's not the poster you were talking to.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
You can laugh, but your big balls are cut from this game


I remember from Inquisition on here actually, there were loads of weirdos horny for Iron Bull because the dev or writer said he was pansexual
These are the same people who are furries. Of course they're horny for bull people. They're horny for all animal people. It's disgusting.
 
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