ap_puff
Banned
Didnt they try to cancel cyberpunk for sexualizing trans people or something? I seem to remember a bit of hoopla over an ingame billboard with some man-chick with a penis bulge
Dragon Age: Veilguard releases with over 70k concurrent players on Steam and 'Mixed Reviews'
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Kotaro
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Chuds held strong second day 
As I suspected Europeans drove most of the momentum. The gain occurred during EU afternoon and evening hours, but as soon as they went to bed, the momentum wore off. North American momentum wasn't enough to compensate
To me this is already chuds victory as I use DD2 as the barometer and it won't come close to DD2 number (same type of game, same size, same genre, same year released, etc) ...... BUT if the number stays below 100K Saturday, then it's going to be massive victory for us
As I suspected Europeans drove most of the momentum. The gain occurred during EU afternoon and evening hours, but as soon as they went to bed, the momentum wore off. North American momentum wasn't enough to compensate
To me this is already chuds victory as I use DD2 as the barometer and it won't come close to DD2 number (same type of game, same size, same genre, same year released, etc) ...... BUT if the number stays below 100K Saturday, then it's going to be massive victory for us
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Are they? Right now most of the top threads from r/dragonage are somewhat critical and they are still up and open.
Kacho
Gold Member
"B-b-bu why are you guys so intolerant?"
Because this shit is obnoxious you oblivious fucks
lmimmfn
Member
Reddit should rename itself to "hardcore leftist shithole"
Raven117
Member
Man, I wouldn't view it like this. Just view it as a data point. That's what gaming companies are doing.Chuds held strong second day
As I suspected Europeans drove most of the momentum. The gain occurred during EU afternoon and evening hours, but as soon as they went to bed, the momentum wore off. North American momentum wasn't enough to compensate
To me this is already chuds victory as I use DD2 as the barometer and it won't come close to DD2 number (same type of game, same size, same genre, same year released, etc) ...... BUT if the number stays below 100K Saturday, then it's going to be massive victory for us
Keep in mind this. The problem isn't "woke" being in games. The issue is that when it's shoehorned in there to make up for an average or worse game. (Compare BG3 to Concord).
Mistake
Member
anything outside of that yeah, like r/gaming. Give it time I guess. Honestly, I think the biggest shame out of all of this is how all the characters so.....similar. In DA1 the races were well established. Isn't that the point of RPGs?
Sharius
Member
lmao, like how they pretend that correction article for BMW mistranslation didn't exist, and it's okay to talk about covid situation in gaming review?
Banjo64
cumsessed
Dragon Age: The Veilguard Reviews
Unite the Veilguard and defy the gods in Dragon Age: The Veilguard, an immersive single-player RPG where you become the leader others believe in. When a pair of corrupt ancient gods break free from centuries of darkness, the vibrant land of Thedas needs someone they can count on. Rise as Rook...
www.metacritic.com
2.5 user score with over 1300 reviews.
I've seen some clips, the writing isn't even befitting of a 3/10 game.
Yesterday I saw this tweet by Switch Up which surprised me a little, as they are very laid back.
In the X feed Hookshot clarify that they aren't owned by ZDM, but that ZDM do have a minority shareholding.
That aside, it's still an interesting rabbit hole.
Western governments need to get a grip on legacy media. The larger companies who have their tendrils in everything present 5 fingers of the same hand as separate entities. They are trying to condition you.
SidViscous
Member
Played a couple of hours and it seems…fine.
It's a step up from mass effect andromeda, but the writing still has a long way to go before it's back to classic BioWare levels. It's sort of on par with a Spiders game at this point in terms of jank and rough edges.
Graphically it has its moments, I think this is the best hair I've seen in a game!
Worth picking up when it's 50% off, but it's not worth the current asking price on consoles.
It's a step up from mass effect andromeda, but the writing still has a long way to go before it's back to classic BioWare levels. It's sort of on par with a Spiders game at this point in terms of jank and rough edges.
Graphically it has its moments, I think this is the best hair I've seen in a game!
Worth picking up when it's 50% off, but it's not worth the current asking price on consoles.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
if we use these the percentage increase between the release player numbers and their peak numbers for these games:
CP2077 0%
Wukong 8%
Wizard Game 21%
Dragons Dogma 2 12%
Methapor 39%
and use a 20% increase average. From 80,000 lunch players to its peak CCU, the result is about 96,000.... and the peak concurrency usually occurs between days 2-4.
so...i dunno man. maybe Game Developer at Resetera knows something we don't.
CP2077 0%
Wukong 8%
Wizard Game 21%
Dragons Dogma 2 12%
Methapor 39%
and use a 20% increase average. From 80,000 lunch players to its peak CCU, the result is about 96,000...
. and the peak concurrency usually occurs between days 2-4.so...i dunno man. maybe Game Developer at Resetera knows something we don't.
FunkMiller
Banned
Here's the opposite of some of the idiotic anti-woke crap we've got in this forum about this game:
They want this game to be a success just to 'stick it to the right wing culture war idiots'.
Well, congratulations, you're as fucking stupid as everyone who wants to see it fail just to own the left wingers.
A game's success or otherwise should be down to how good it is. Not what politics it supports. And it looks like this is going to be yet another aggressively average 7/10 game, which will be somewhat enjoyed by those who don't care about this stupid 'conflict', and will make the culture war idiots on both sides rage into their echo chambers because it does neither side any good.
Can we go back to the console wars please? That seems positively intelligent by comparison.
They want this game to be a success just to 'stick it to the right wing culture war idiots'.
Well, congratulations, you're as fucking stupid as everyone who wants to see it fail just to own the left wingers.
A game's success or otherwise should be down to how good it is. Not what politics it supports. And it looks like this is going to be yet another aggressively average 7/10 game, which will be somewhat enjoyed by those who don't care about this stupid 'conflict', and will make the culture war idiots on both sides rage into their echo chambers because it does neither side any good.
Can we go back to the console wars please? That seems positively intelligent by comparison.
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Agent_Nobody
Banned
Yeah!!! More console wars!!!Here's the opposite of some of the idiotic anti-woke crap we've got in this forum about this game:
They want this game to be a success just to 'stick it to the right wing culture war idiots'.
Well, congratulations, you're as fucking stupid as everyone who wants to see it fail just to own the left wingers.
A game's success or otherwise should be down to how good it is. Not what politics it supports. And it looks like this is going to be yet another aggressively average 7/10 game, which will be somewhat enjoyed by those who don't care about this stupid 'conflict', and will make the culture war idiots on both sides rage into their echo chambers because it does neither side any good.
Can we go back to the console wars please? That seems positively intelligent by comparison.
lmimmfn
Member
Dragon Age: The Veilguard Reviews
Unite the Veilguard and defy the gods in Dragon Age: The Veilguard, an immersive single-player RPG where you become the leader others believe in. When a pair of corrupt ancient gods break free from centuries of darkness, the vibrant land of Thedas needs someone they can count on. Rise as Rook...
2.5 user score with over 1300 reviews.
I've seen some clips, the writing isn't even befitting of a 3/10 game.
Yesterday I saw this tweet by Switch Up which surprised me a little, as they are very laid back.
In the X feed Hookshot clarify that they aren't owned by ZDM, but that ZDM do have a minority shareholding.
That aside, it's still an interesting rabbit hole.
Western governments need to get a grip on legacy media. The larger companies who have their tendrils in everything present 5 fingers of the same hand as separate entities. They are trying to condition you.
It's not just gaming media being consolidated and pretending to be multiple outlets with different opinions. National media has huge government funding to pursue the government message.
Media is in a really sad state.
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Damageinc103
Member
KD2 will probably blow Dragon Age numbers away which is insane if you think about it.
Nothing excites me as much as seeing old literature PERFECTLY encapsulate modern events....we are such repetitive, cyclical creatures
TrebleShot
Member
BigBeauford
Member
You know what the best part of being a chud is? Being a chud costs nothing!Here's the opposite of some of the idiotic anti-woke crap we've got in this forum about this game:
They want this game to be a success just to 'stick it to the right wing culture war idiots'.
Well, congratulations, you're as fucking stupid as everyone who wants to see it fail just to own the left wingers.
A game's success or otherwise should be down to how good it is. Not what politics it supports. And it looks like this is going to be yet another aggressively average 7/10 game, which will be somewhat enjoyed by those who don't care about this stupid 'conflict', and will make the culture war idiots on both sides rage into their echo chambers because it does neither side any good.
Can we go back to the console wars please? That seems positively intelligent by comparison.
I'm not sure I want to see a politically correct, toned down, nerfed Commander Shepperd preaching real world issues to me.
I miss when making a good game without some agenda (any agenda) was the most important and ONLY thing, even chasing profits and securing corporate profits to give developers jobs.
Thank god for old consoles.
I miss when making a good game without some agenda (any agenda) was the most important and ONLY thing, even chasing profits and securing corporate profits to give developers jobs.
Thank god for old consoles.
Alebrije
Member
Dragon Age: The Veilguard Reviews
Unite the Veilguard and defy the gods in Dragon Age: The Veilguard, an immersive single-player RPG where you become the leader others believe in. When a pair of corrupt ancient gods break free from centuries of darkness, the vibrant land of Thedas needs someone they can count on. Rise as Rook...
2.5 user score with over 1300 reviews.
I've seen some clips, the writing isn't even befitting of a 3/10 game.
Yesterday I saw this tweet by Switch Up which surprised me a little, as they are very laid back.
In the X feed Hookshot clarify that they aren't owned by ZDM, but that ZDM do have a minority shareholding.
That aside, it's still an interesting rabbit hole.
Western governments need to get a grip on legacy media. The larger companies who have their tendrils in everything present 5 fingers of the same hand as separate entities. They are trying to condition you.
That is why I only rely on My own criteria and sometimes on this forum.
We the older ones from another videogame era before internet at much had magazines and the rest of info was from Friends that owned a Game or tv ads.
Saddly new generations rely a Lot on internet...we are talking about videogames not rocket science , we don't need influencers opinions to get an idea if a game is for us or not.
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I agree. It's more cheering for the removal of overt ideological messaging altogether but it just happens that in recent games the messaging pretty much centers around one side's agenda.
I doubt the people acting indifferent to the messaging or actively cheering for it to be included would have the same attitude if the messages being promoted came from the opposite side of the ideological spectrum. I'd wager they'd also start cheering for the removal of it.
Kacho
Gold Member
Abso-fucking-lutely
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DaciaJC
Gold Member
I'm pretty confident the sequel is going to blow Veilguard's numbers out of the water come February, and it will be delicious to watch.
Superkewl
Member
Looks bad, but as one of the commenters mentioned, that is total refund requests for all of Steam, not DA:V
Kacho
Gold Member
Yeah it's fake news.
PeteBull
Member
As a guy who doesnt like to bite his tongue + non native english speaker- fk that shit, fk talking like u gonna get put infront of firing squad if u say one word too much or too lil
Unknown Soldier
Member
Ironically you censored your own use of the word fuck in this postAs a guy who doesnt like to bite his tongue + non native english speaker- fk that shit, fk talking like u gonna get put infront of firing squad if u say one word too much or too lil
Kotaro
Gold Member
Here's the opposite of some of the idiotic anti-woke crap we've got in this forum about this game:
They want this game to be a success just to 'stick it to the right wing culture war idiots'.
Well, congratulations, you're as fucking stupid as everyone who wants to see it fail just to own the left wingers.
A game's success or otherwise should be down to how good it is. Not what politics it supports. And it looks like this is going to be yet another aggressively average 7/10 game, which will be somewhat enjoyed by those who don't care about this stupid 'conflict', and will make the culture war idiots on both sides rage into their echo chambers because it does neither side any good.
Can we go back to the console wars please? That seems positively intelligent by comparison.
Fuck console wars!!!
All gamers (except the extreme left) better be united against this stupid woke shit
FunkMiller
Banned
But 'woke' shit can be financially viable. Baldur's Gate 3. But that was a game that integrated progressive values in an effective manner, with good writing and characterisation.
See the point here? Anyone screaming for something to fail just because it features inclusivity and diversity is as big an asshat as anyone who roots for the same thing to succeed for the same reason.
The desire to see something fail should be because it is bad. Bad inclusivity and diversity is the problem we have right now.
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PeteBull
Member
Im a lazy as fk typer
PeteBull
Member
BG3 did it the right way- aka game's quality was still put as top priority, and pushing agenda wasnt in ur face, it was exactly opposite to what DA:V did.
Kacho
Gold Member
Baldur's Gate 3 was good and not obnoxiously woke.
Dragon Age Veilguard is bad and is obnoxiously woke.
People want the obnoxious woke shit gone and they will stop complaining when it is. No one cares if you think they're asshats for that. You just disagree.
Raven117
Member
Good point
And the correct response
It's not about "woke" being in games. It's how it's done and at what cost.
Bg3. Masterclass across the board in great writing, and some "woke" if you wanted the route. Awesome. All for it.
Concord. Viciously mediocre and woke stuff done in a horrible manner.
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PeteBull
Member
1st- cant go back to console wars since ninny's new handheld is few months away from presentation/launch, ms has shit the bed so only sony is left as of now.Here's the opposite of some of the idiotic anti-woke crap we've got in this forum about this game:
They want this game to be a success just to 'stick it to the right wing culture war idiots'.
Well, congratulations, you're as fucking stupid as everyone who wants to see it fail just to own the left wingers.
A game's success or otherwise should be down to how good it is. Not what politics it supports. And it looks like this is going to be yet another aggressively average 7/10 game, which will be somewhat enjoyed by those who don't care about this stupid 'conflict', and will make the culture war idiots on both sides rage into their echo chambers because it does neither side any good.
Can we go back to the console wars please? That seems positively intelligent by comparison.
2nd- some1 tries to shove woke agenda and insane ideology(that is basically secular religion 2.0) which we dont wanna subscribe to like every person who has thoughtprocess, and they not only do it with some new IP's, they use old beloved IPs(coz new ones would get 0 sales- just like dustborn or concord) to hide this woke shit behind known titles ppl enjoyed- ofc we will be angry/annoyed/pissed off that our beloved game series gets low quality woke virus infested products instead of high quality games like before.
Just from last few years and we talking big AAA IPs that got taken hostage(pushing agenda+visible drop in quality):
Battlefront
Spiderman2
Saints Row
DA
Star Wars (talking Outlaws, the Jedi games from EA were great)
TLOU(2nd part woke af)
Alan Wake 2
Ass Creed
Fifa(yes, even Fifa where they gave fake high stats to female players), now called EA FC but w/e its basically same game.
I bet there are many more but its 3:30am my local time so cant think of anything else
My only conclusion is- if we dont react and dont stop it in time it will only keep spreading- do we really wanna see next Elder Scrolls, CoD or GTA on this path? Hopefully not(didnt see anything bad in gta trailer but we will know at launch, like always) and new elder scrolls game is easily next gen only so 2028+ so plenty time to course correct after bethesda gets the memo about bad sales of many woke games.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Since you said 2 to 4 days so 2 more days = 2 more chances to strike gold!if we use these the percentage increase between the release player numbers and their peak numbers for these games:
CP2077 0%
Wukong 8%
Wizard Game 21%
Dragons Dogma 2 12%
Methapor 39%
and use a 20% increase average. From 80,000 lunch players to its peak CCU, the result is about 96,000...
so...i dunno man. maybe Game Developer at Resetera knows something we don't.
Never played BG3 before but from what I've seen, it's not shoved in the face and you could make good looking characters at least.
Majority of the people or should I say almost everyone aren't racist just because they are against DEI. Majority of the people don't mind non white or even gay./lesbian characters in the game. In fact just because there's a person of color or a gay or lesbian character doesn't auto make a game DEI or WOKE in the first place anyway for games and movies. Plenty of awesome movies in the past especially from the 80s that have diverse casts. Like there's lgbt characters in New Vegas and Fallout 4 and you could choose perks for gay or lesbian type characters too in New Vegas. I think almost everyone would agree that actual racist folks that are in fact racists are bad and 99% of gamers won't agree with them. Majority of the people do not actually hate gays or lesbians and would treat them like how they treat anyone else anyway. Just don't shove some of the most twisted lgbt stuff on people and expect people to share the same views.
I do understand why some people are against wokeness even if it's small because if you give them a inch, then they'll start allowing and normalizing more and more insane stuff into things as time goes by and by then it'll be enforced or normalized already. Some of the most insane and normalized stuff out there shouldn't even be a fricken debate in the first place but yet here we are in 2024 where certain sides think the most twisted and insane things are normal and needs to be enforced.
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gow3isben
Member
LOL purple forum has turned form
"Haha suck it chuds!"
to
"Ok sales, definitely not bad but not too good either, I bet chuds will spin this as a failure for some reason"
Absolutely hilarious.
In a few days when it shows to have absolutely 0 legs it will be fun seeing their cope.
I say this as someone who will buy this game but I really want EA to put their foot down if it means keeping Mass Effect clean.
1/3rd the peak ccu of Dragons Dogma 2 a sequel to a niche title is absolutely atrocious. Considering how long and how costly this project was doubly so.
"Haha suck it chuds!"
to
"Ok sales, definitely not bad but not too good either, I bet chuds will spin this as a failure for some reason"
Absolutely hilarious.
In a few days when it shows to have absolutely 0 legs it will be fun seeing their cope.
I say this as someone who will buy this game but I really want EA to put their foot down if it means keeping Mass Effect clean.
1/3rd the peak ccu of Dragons Dogma 2 a sequel to a niche title is absolutely atrocious. Considering how long and how costly this project was doubly so.
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Having diversity, gay relationships, and inclusivity in a game is not what defines something as woke, and speaking for myself, I don't want them removed from games, media or anywhere else.
However, preaching idealogy to the audience and/or shoehorning in identity politics as a pillar of a product is what's considered "woke" in the context of games. This is the "bad inclusivity and diversity" you mentioned being a problem and it's what people are rooting to fail. Most people don't consider Baldur's Gate 3 woke at all despite the game integrating "progressive values" because they aren't beat over the head with it.
Unfortunately, there are often knee-jerk reactions towards what might be perceived as woke because we're in a time where people have grown hyper-sensitive and biases are getting out of hand. But to be honest, I haven't seen much people on GAF screaming for products to fail just for featuring inclusion and diversity(although I'm sure there are some people here biting their tongues).
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FunkMiller
Banned
It's very much delivery, not message.
Yeah, I think that's what it boils down to.
I don't think gamers as a whole are a bunch of bigots, it's just that they don't like feeling they're being preached at during their fun/escapism.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
sometimes the tweeter timeline is funny.
Kotaro
Gold Member
yep, they're coping hard. Their game is cooked, and they know that. This game is a financial disaster written all over it
Let's say by any luck, CCU reach 150K by Saturday-Sunday. I've read it somewhere that you can extrapolate lifetime Steam sales number from 8-10X peak CCU, so in this case DA: Veilguard will get 1.5M sales on Steam. And it will get another 1.5M from consoles. So that's 3M lifetime sales which is bad for AAA Western game.
But let see if it can hit 85K-100K first, even Metaphor and Granblue Fantasy can hit those numbers
Guilty_AI
Member
JayK47
Member
I feel like we are going about this the wrong way. The developers chose to participate in the culture war by adding certain content to the game. Content that was not in previous games in the series and content that clearly does not belong in the series. They made their choice. The best we can do is not to buy it and to tell others what it is so they can make an informed decision. If you read every post, it may seem tiresome to hear the same shit over and over. But while I am reading too many posts on this, I am still seeing newcomers joining in the conversation and seeing what is in the game and realizing they should pass on it. So all the complaining is working. Bioware could have easily stuck with the tried and true formula and kept modern politics out of the game, but then it wouldn't be a modern fucking game now would it. It is crazy how quickly they hired all the blue haired nuts and chased out the old guard and sucked all the life out of these developers and game series. They made it political. If you want the bitching to stop, tell these developers to keep politics out of these fucking games.Here's the opposite of some of the idiotic anti-woke crap we've got in this forum about this game:
They want this game to be a success just to 'stick it to the right wing culture war idiots'.
Well, congratulations, you're as fucking stupid as everyone who wants to see it fail just to own the left wingers.
A game's success or otherwise should be down to how good it is. Not what politics it supports. And it looks like this is going to be yet another aggressively average 7/10 game, which will be somewhat enjoyed by those who don't care about this stupid 'conflict', and will make the culture war idiots on both sides rage into their echo chambers because it does neither side any good.
Can we go back to the console wars please? That seems positively intelligent by comparison.
Hero_Select
Member
You're obsessed lmfao, and that's not even half of your posts on this.
I implore you, go touch some grass
Cyberpunkd
Member
It won't have legs because people forget that AAA games market is very much front loaded, majority of sales are done in the first week or two, then it gets drown with other releases.
Kotaro
Gold Member
it will die soon, and it's already heavily discounted in other countries, so they can't even use full Steam price $60 to calculate revenue
