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Dragon's Crown |OT| Knock down the crown
- Thread starter Caerith
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I played Guardian Heroes recently. I found the art to be atrocious, actually. I found the lore a snoozefest. I found the characters irritating. The music was an assault on my ears. I have no history with the title that would otherwise blind me to its blemishes.
I had fun with it, but I don't think it's somehow untouchable as a beat 'em up.
Leveling and locked skills aren't a lesser form of replay value. At all. Nor is a loot system, something completely absent in Guardian Heroes. And there's the persistent level-up system that was also oddly absent from Guardian Heroes. The only thing that Guardian Heroes had that was impressive to me was : 1) the locked two plane approach to combat, 2) interesting combos, 3) variety of characters (that for some reason can't be used in the campaign). Everything else was just okay, and not compelling enough to make me keep playing it.
So its kind of like Diablo 1 in that most of the locations are inside an area.
EDIT: It isnt perfect by any means, but GH gameplay is pretty well done and the soundtrack still beats out any other swords & sorcery beat em up...so far. I havent heard anything from Dragon's Crown, but Sakimoto always delivers.
Going to be playing Amazon and my girlfriend will be Elf. Can't wait
But...but then what will I play as?
But...but then what will I play as?
We should have an all Elf run. Would be fun.
CrazyTank940
Member
OT's looking great, nice job Caerith!
Also heads up, but there will be two changes to the player list in the coming weeks, both of which due to timing since the game will be out by those points so one of the fields will soon become nearly pointless (what region your game is, since that was mainly there to give Japanese game owners a head start in the co-op), and another will be changed since at that point most people in the list should have played enough where I can change the poll (from "What class do you plan on using first" to "What is your most used class")
All of that out of the way, I seriously can't wait for this game to release, so excited
oh also, since this seems to be the new thing to do...
#TeamTooLazyToNameATeam
Also heads up, but there will be two changes to the player list in the coming weeks, both of which due to timing since the game will be out by those points so one of the fields will soon become nearly pointless (what region your game is, since that was mainly there to give Japanese game owners a head start in the co-op), and another will be changed since at that point most people in the list should have played enough where I can change the poll (from "What class do you plan on using first" to "What is your most used class")
All of that out of the way, I seriously can't wait for this game to release, so excited
oh also, since this seems to be the new thing to do...
#TeamTooLazyToNameATeam
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Yeah, it's certainly a part of the game, and an artist surely knows WHAT they're getting themselves into when they have designs like that put up for a commercial work. But it's the overall body of work that proves the full intent, and actually getting to play it / see gameplay from streams of JP release seems to have leveled the conversation field finally, to Kamitani's intended levels of design priority.
It is always cool to get to see one man's creative vision made without compromise. That in itself speaks volumes, just on a personal level, and I'm quite happy for him, that he finally got to get this idea out of his mind, and into a game. Just on a pure artist-to-artist level, that's awesome, haha.
I always have to admit though, I often feel like an artist can be their own worse enemy, towards making their works have as wide-reaching an impact as they should, commercially and otherwise. A little bit of restriction can nurture a lot of creativity too, which is something I feel is often given no credit in the "100% artistic freedom is BEST!" debates.
Ultimadrago
Member
D'oh! I came late to the thread party.
Nice OT, Caerith!
Nice OT, Caerith!
It's okay, I am too. Let's be fashionably late together~
Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't change the OP, it was just the "people who post about that will say more about themselves than the game" part that rubbed me the wrong way a little, as an admirer of the designs.
Amazon rocks!
Awesome graphic! Amazon all the way.
Oh crap I still gotta finish SMT4. Stupid speedrun marathon!
Anyways, I've wanted to play the dwarf ever since I saw his roll attack. Predator Hunter was always my favorite character in my favorite beat 'em up (AVP CPS2), and he has a move just like that. Plus I always played the dwarf in every beat 'em up where you could be a dwarf, so there's that.
Anyways, I've wanted to play the dwarf ever since I saw his roll attack. Predator Hunter was always my favorite character in my favorite beat 'em up (AVP CPS2), and he has a move just like that. Plus I always played the dwarf in every beat 'em up where you could be a dwarf, so there's that.
The JP version allowed pre-downloading, and I think they said it's a few hundred megs less of 2 gigs, varying a bit between Vita and PS3.
It helps to have played it upon time of release, surely. Even back then, the blocky pixel graphics were eye-maddening to some; even my mom wondered why the game looked so blocky, lol. But I'm not blind to it's blemishes (or DCs), they just don't don't detract from it's triumphs, to me.
Personally, I'll always find clumping 60 skills of meager usefulness onto one character, a lesser way of encouraging variety, than having 4 characters of 15 useful skills each, but I can't say which way DC leans to yet.
Loot sounds kinda meh in DC, from many reports; I await experiencing this myself too, but it sounds like it's the "Toss a bunch at them, never let them get attached to great finds" type, which is cool for aesthetics, but does little for gameplay...
Persistent leveling, I'm always glad it wasn't in GH. It made each play-through feel like it's own story, rather than OP Hero VS weaklings for the first 6 stages. I loved having different builds each time, was part of what made the game replayable.
The characters couldn't be used in campaign, because the game valued it's story. Every character had their own lines to say to events (with 1P taking priority most of the time), and some paths even had character-specific reasons to following them (Sword-Han, the past relationships between Serena and Katarina, etc). I DO wish they offered a story-less stage-run arcade mode, that let you play whomever you want, however. Though I'd love a "every character reacts to everything!" story mode, because seeing why a wolf would try and stop the return of the magic kingdom would be quite funny...
But anyway.. for one who holds GH in high regard, especially if they fell in love with it upon release {when it clearly outdid a lot of comparable console-only releases in the genre), equaling what it did well is hard, and surpassing isn't even in the cards (because DC doesn't even attempt at some of the things it did, which I would have LOVED for it to have tried...)
DC is definitely it's own game, however, and I think it'll clearly surpass GH for some players like yourself, because it's much more "modern".
SlasherJPC
Banned
Yes most locations are inside. As for the soundtrack, while I enjoyed it, nothing stood out to me at all. Oddly enough. I think it stems from being purely in the background, perhaps because some tracks seem more about atmosphere and not catchy riffs.
Wow, just noticed this. I don't quite understand the restrictions, especially for local co-op on Vita.....let alone the fact the game is pretty much based around multiplayer. Heck, I don't understand having to unlock multiplayer period. Luigi's Mansion did it & while that was more focused on single player, I still found it weird.
Posted in the impressions thread, but just in case people jumped that ship for this one:
Is this game any fun single player? I don't have time for bro op gaming in my life currently.
I'm worried that when played single player the shortcomings of the genre (basically becoming mind numbingly repetitive without bros to play with) will shine through.
Does the game keep things fresh in terms of enemy and level design throughout? Does playing as the different classes significantly change the experience? Is there enough hidden shit to keep things interesting on multiple playthroughs?
Be honest...
Is this game any fun single player? I don't have time for bro op gaming in my life currently.
I'm worried that when played single player the shortcomings of the genre (basically becoming mind numbingly repetitive without bros to play with) will shine through.
Does the game keep things fresh in terms of enemy and level design throughout? Does playing as the different classes significantly change the experience? Is there enough hidden shit to keep things interesting on multiple playthroughs?
Be honest...
ROBOKITTYZILLA
Member
Great job on the thread. I can't wait until next week!
I love pixelart. The issues I had with artstyle wasn't the pixels. I found the source art from which the pixelart was created to be hideous.
The "any character" story mode is exactly what I'm referring to. If you're going to add in 40 some odd characters, why limit them to a pvp mode? The same goes for persistent leveling. This should have been an option or a separate mode.
But I'm not ignorant of the fact that GH was a game from another time, where these options may not have been the norm.
How "modern" a game is doesn't concern me, but the focus of GH and the style by which is implements this focus are largely uninteresting to me. I have no issue with playing old school games at all, but I simply don't see GH as some unsurpassable milestone.
The entire game felt like a weird contradiction, like it didn't know what it wanted to do. No persistent leveling or different characters in campaign, but encourage multiple playthroughs. Focus on serious story-telling, but have no serious characters. Have multiple endings, but have them all pretty much end in the same two ways.
Chauncy Talon
Member
You can add me on the Vita. PSN=ChauncyTalon
I can't decide between the Archer or the Wizard.
I can't decide between the Archer or the Wizard.
Play King of Dragons!
Ahh, I remember that game. Elf and Wizard all the way.
please someone confirm that,
R1 can play with R2 with R3 with R4!
AKA region wide multiplayer?
saw the R1 Vita version, but decided not to buy as the main menu has "online store" which will most likely be locked when playing on my R3 account..
but certainly hope that when i got the R3, i could play with my R1 friends
R1 can play with R2 with R3 with R4!
AKA region wide multiplayer?
saw the R1 Vita version, but decided not to buy as the main menu has "online store" which will most likely be locked when playing on my R3 account..
but certainly hope that when i got the R3, i could play with my R1 friends
Wizard and Cleric
I can see your point, but what's the point of a #team hometown pic without an hometown in it?
Anyway i really don't like the lower half of the amazon in that pic, it's really really really bad imo.
What about these then?
This is one of the reasons why I don't want to put my PSN ID on the list. Or any list for that matter.Someone typed over my PSN ID in the player list with nonsense, bah. Fixed it now
Oh yeah, forgot about the Cleric. I would use him every now and again. Didn't care for the Fighter or Dwarf.
CrazyTank940
Member
Yeah ever since one day when apparently someone made a few edits (and it got fixed somehow, thank goodness) I decided to make a private locked backup copy, I tend to update that frequently to avoid any problems (to anyone reading this wondering why they see some cells being highlighted in clusters to be copied when viewing the list, this is why I've been doing that). I have been considering the idea of making the list viewable but only I can edit it to just flat out avoid this problem and people could PM me the info for the fields, but I'm not sure how smoothly that'll go, so I'm holding onto that idea for now in the concept of the private backup.
Yes, Atlus confirmed a while ago that it's cross-region.
Yeah, that's fine. Han's art isn't for everyone, same as Kamitani's here.
One step at a time! Just having EVERYTHING playable was enough of a boon at the time, and the GBA sequel actually did allow you to play anyone (might have been some exceptions) through the story mode (explained as your PC being a spirit that took on the form of fallen heroes.)
Phantom Breaker Battlegrounds also has limited characters for story, but then allows any of the bonus characters to be played in Arcade of Co-Op modes. It had some help from members of the GH team, too, so I'm sure they'd have added such a feature, if it were to be made now...
"Modern" was just a way to try not to type another paragraph for me, lol. (Brevity, how do you work!) But I often find the things people dislike in GH are due to games growing in a different direction since then, if you know what I mean.
The only reason I find GH unsurpassable... is because no one else tried to do much of what I listed about it anymore. And when they do, it's generally a "catch up" to what it did, as opposed to meeting it, and then fleshing it out. This is largely due to the fact that games in the genre are limited to sub-20 buck downloadables; GH was a full retail release, and it embraced the idea of bring arcade-focused gameplay to a console level of replay-ability and depth.
And that's mostly because games are now console first, arcade-y second. Persistent leveling, hours-of-gameplay as a marketing tool.. these are console-speak. This is online friendly, and part of making a game feel like it's worth $50 / $60 from a fact sheet, as opposed to making it feel like it's worth your endless quarters, because of the rush you got in that first credit.
I get the idea DC is going to scratch my Monster Hunter / PSO V2 Gamecube itch, more than my Guardian Heroes itch, personally. I really hope it's successful enough to get people to give retail-resource Beat-em-ups a go again, though.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
This will be the best game released so far this entire year!
SolidSnakex
Member
I'm guessing that this is the launch trailer
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/d...crown-gets-action-packed-feature-trailer.aspx
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/d...crown-gets-action-packed-feature-trailer.aspx
CyberpunkGod
Member
I hope so too, there looks to be a decent amount of Vita players on the list at least.
Ultimadrago
Member
Thank you. It's a part of the reason I'm picking it up, so this is good news.
darkjedi187
Member
Great OT! Had both version preordered, but had to pick one and went with the Vita. I'm thinking Elf or Wizard to start.
Rodney McKay
Member
If you play this game single player, do you get an AI buddy to fight with you or does the number/difficulty of enemies scale based on the number of players?
You should keep posting more examples.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Yep you get to find warriors bones while playing, ressurect them, and you can have up to 3 other ai. If you don't want them, don't take them and in the tavern set it to no join.
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