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[imastalker co.]

I think the general problem is both screens combined on DS still don't reach the quality of the PSP screen.

how do you figure? as far as size or resolution goes, of course not. it's a nice screen for sure, but it doesn't make the DS screens any less adequate for gaming. besides, 2 screens gives developers more options right off the bat. so in that sense, you could easily argue that one big screen just doesn't reach the quality of having 2 screens as far as game design goes.

I believe they should have had one great beautiful screen on top and another regular DS-like touch screen on bottom. It really hurts them that they don't. As it is now the screen quality is not grand canyon leaps apart.

well, a bigger screen on top would've been nice obviously, but that's besides the point. the question was, what would you rather have, 2 adequate screens, or one big screen. not, "wouldn't it be cool if they had a big screen, and the touch screen to boot?" why im point that out, i have no idea, as im sure you realized what the question was, and were just giving your 2 cents, but yeah, just wanted to point out that screen size was besides the point.

 

[Legal Step]

What the hell are you doing posting positive Nintendo news here, today of all days?

The question is not rhetorical.

 

[aparisi2274]

Ok, so I want to just drop off my 2 cents on all this.

I am a huge, and when I say Huge, I mean as big as a skyscraper, Nintendo fan. You can ask John Tv for confirmation on that. Anyway, prior to the DS hitting the market, when everything was still rumor, and everyone thought the PSP was going to hit at likr $400 in Japan, and the DS was going to be $149, everyone just looked at the DS, because it was more attractive from a pricing perspective, but then the PSP was announced at like $185 in japan for the regular pack, and then like $240 for the Value Pack. Now all of a sudden it was a different ball game. The PSP, a system I had no intentions of ever getting, all of a sudden became really attractive, and I ended up getting it. I have had the DS since day 1 in the US, and I am happy with it, but as John mentioned way back on page 1, the lack of an analog stick really hurt it. I mean I am pretty sure that when NCL launched the N64 back in 96, they were the first console company to use a stick, now they leave it off their new system and expect us to play a game that basically made the analog stick what it is today, a necessity in 3-D gaming, and that game is Mario. So now we have to use our thumb or the d-pad, and that sucks, plain and simple. John also hit the nail on the head when he said that most of the games that really take advantage of the touch screen are gimmicky games at best, with no real substance. Anyway, I digress. When I got my PSP and I loaded up Ridge Racer, after just playing the DS version, I almost fell out of my chair. Here is a game done right. The visuals are amazing, the speed is consistant, there is never any slowdown, and there is a fucking analog stick to drive. I looked down at my DS RR and realized I never want to play it again. Its things like that that make me mad at Nintendo. Here is this once great company who constantly shoot themselves in the foot everytime they release a system. I mean the king of Handhelds, who own like 98% of the market are going to get F'ed in the A by a company who has never even made a handheld before. It really is a shame. I would love to get Reggie on the phone and ask for this list of names of asses he is kicking, because so far it looks like an empty sheet of paper. Ahhh How the once mighty have fallen.


PS. Wireless Ridge Racers is fucking awesome.

 

[monkeyrun]

you know ... if you get a GameGear and a Gameboy, you'll be amazed how much more advance GameGear is.

PSP has better visual than NDS -> FACT
NDS sold 2 Million -> FACT
PSP will F NDS in the A -> FACT ? I don't think so.

 

[norinrad21]

Ok, so I want to just drop off my 2 cents on all this.

I am a huge, and when I say Huge, I mean as big as a skyscraper, Nintendo fan. You can ask John Tv for confirmation on that. Anyway, prior to the DS hitting the market, when everything was still rumor, and everyone thought the PSP was going to hit at likr $400 in Japan, and the DS was going to be $149, everyone just looked at the DS, because it was more attractive from a pricing perspective, but then the PSP was announced at like $185 in japan for the regular pack, and then like $240 for the Value Pack. Now all of a sudden it was a different ball game. The PSP, a system I had no intentions of ever getting, all of a sudden became really attractive, and I ended up getting it. I have had the DS since day 1 in the US, and I am happy with it, but as John mentioned way back on page 1, the lack of an analog stick really hurt it. I mean I am pretty sure that when NCL launched the N64 back in 96, they were the first console company to use a stick, now they leave it off their new system and expect us to play a game that basically made the analog stick what it is today, a necessity in 3-D gaming, and that game is Mario. So now we have to use our thumb or the d-pad, and that sucks, plain and simple. John also hit the nail on the head when he said that most of the games that really take advantage of the touch screen are gimmicky games at best, with no real substance. Anyway, I digress. When I got my PSP and I loaded up Ridge Racer, after just playing the DS version, I almost fell out of my chair. Here is a game done right. The visuals are amazing, the speed is consistant, there is never any slowdown, and there is a fucking analog stick to drive. I looked down at my DS RR and realized I never want to play it again. Its things like that that make me mad at Nintendo. Here is this once great company who constantly shoot themselves in the foot everytime they release a system. I mean the king of Handhelds, who own like 98% of the market are going to get F'ed in the A by a company who has never even made a handheld before. It really is a shame. I would love to get Reggie on the phone and ask for this list of names of asses he is kicking, because so far it looks like an empty sheet of paper. Ahhh How the once mighty have fallen.


PS. Wireless Ridge Racers is fucking awesome.

Nice visuals, you are a grown man and deserve to look cool in the eyes of your peers, you don't need a company that some how forgot to grow up with you to do that.

The pokemon generation will also be crying on gaming forums a few years later about how cool Blinx is and how sucky Pika was back in the day.

 

[iyox]

When I got my PSP and I loaded up Ridge Racer, after just playing the DS version, I almost fell out of my chair. Here is a game done right. The visuals are amazing, the speed is consistant, there is never any slowdown, and there is a fucking analog stick to drive. I looked down at my DS RR and realized I never want to play it again.

I felt that way when I was about 10 and my friend had a Game Gear and I was stuck with my Fatboy sitting there fussing with the contrast knob. Unfortunately his game gear died after a couple hours and I was still messing with the contrast knob, but hey my GB was still on!!

 

[seismologist]

Im afraid you guys still hung up on the DS not having an analog stick are missing the point.
The DS isn't meant to be a system so you can play portable versions of your favorite console games. The goal is much more ambitious than that, and this is why people are drawn to it.

If you think Nintendo would be better off with one screen handheld with half the battery life and no touch screen, then I dont know what to say.

 

[Amir0x]

how do you figure? as far as size or resolution goes, of course not. it's a nice screen for sure, but it doesn't make the DS screens any less adequate for gaming. besides, 2 screens gives developers more options right off the bat. so in that sense, you could easily argue that one big screen just doesn't reach the quality of having 2 screens as far as game design goes.

"Adequacy" is not something you or I should be aiming for in the gaming industry. We need superiority. And, frankly, compared to the PSP screen the DS screens even collectively look like a turd shat out by Yamauchi after he ate too much cake at his daughter's birthday party. Yes, the DS screens are adequate. They're a step up from the GBA screens.

They're still not good, though. We've now been shown what "good" truly is here. As for 2 screens giving developers more options... well... that's shakey. But I do agree with you ever so slightly. That said, game design is neither improved nor made worse by including two screens. A great DS game will be just as good as a great PSP game. So in the end screen quality is certainly important - it's the window for which we view our portable gaming experience. It enhances immersiveness.

well, a bigger screen on top would've been nice obviously, but that's besides the point. the question was, what would you rather have, 2 adequate screens, or one big screen. not, "wouldn't it be cool if they had a big screen, and the touch screen to boot?" why im point that out, i have no idea, as im sure you realized what the question was, and were just giving your 2 cents, but yeah, just wanted to point out that screen size was besides the point.

Yeah, I did realize what the question is. Of course I'd go with the big screen because "adequate" is simply not enough. I strive for superiority.

 

[fse]

Sony might be selling more PSPs here later... but they'll also sell more batteries.

 

[ThongyDonk]

"All mouth as always"? Have you even read some of my essays? Obviously not!

Yeah and they are boring.

Here's the problems with your statement:



How is he a loser for preferring the PSP after he played it, or suggesting it's so good he can see massive sales?

for sitting at home on his PC declaring the PSP will sell 20million, and then getting upset as people tell him they won't, and for you defending his statement BASED ON HIS OWN ASSUMPTIONS

Really!? You mean people want Gameboy Advance games. 60 million people can't be wrong, that's for damn sure. But this is a new generation. The Nintendo DS is not the next "Gameboy", according to Nintendo. It's one of the three pillars in their strategy. We do not yet know if Nintendo's handheld appeal will translate onto the DS. Sales of it (and PSP, for that matter) can be attributed largely to fanboy adoption. And using backward compatibility is irrelevant here; you lose a major aspect of the games in the conversion so it's not a "end all be all alternative for GBA SP."

No i think you'll find that the DS is being purchased by previous non handheld buyers e.g ME. I am living proof of what something new and different can do. Sell me a console

Similarly, you forget the most major point: Nintendo has always BEEN #1. There has never truly been a viable alternative to the Gameboy system. Ever. All the pointless comparrisons to Game Gear, to LYNX, to NOMAD... to anything... they're worthless and wrong. There has absolutely never been as dangerous a competitor to the market as the PSP is about to become. We will soon know just how much people "need" GBA games or the Gameboy brand.

Sorry but at the time SEGA was probably bigger than Nintendo in sales of Home COnsoles with the Mega Drive, and yet the Game Gear Bombed. The n-Gage bombed, Like people link Sony to homes, they link Gameboy to handheld.

The logical fallacy here is that you assume that people stop buying things when the experience is not unique. This has been proven categorically false on every single occassion we've had such an ordeal. The thing it comes down to is games. Have we ever been able to have a portable experience like PSP before? No. This is the key fact. The bullshit argument about how the PSP is "just a portable PS2" proves you miss the point entirely.

First, this is a PORTABLE. You realize what that means, right? It means that you bring it places you CAN'T drag your 40" Plasma's to. I've heard this argument spouted before and it is STILL as hilarious as ever.

And the portable offers me nothing i can't get at home. A nice looking game!! WHOOPEE DOOO. The DS offers new ways of playing. Deny that and you are silly.

Secondly, you're still buying unique titles. The PSP is not simply a system where you toss in your PS2 discs and go. Their are unique, "exclusive" titles that are coming to PSP in the future and some have even made an appearance at launch, such as Lumines. I can't play Lumines on PS2. For that matter, I can't even play Ridge Racers on PS2. Technically these games are possible, but the fact is they DON'T exist yet on other platforms. They make the GAMING experience - the place where it counts - unique. As was proven undeniably by the DS launch it doesn't matter how "innovative" your input scheme is... the games can still suck just as hard.

OH WOW LUMINES. Ridge Racer. Whoopee Doo (Again).
Show me games Wario Ware, yoshi touch and go, Nintendogs, feel the magic. Games which ARE DIFFERENT. Games which offer me new ways of playing. In saying you can play them at home i wasn't stating i can get Lumines at home. I was stating the gameplay offered by the PSP i can get at home. Simple as.
I don't want a system which has a main selling point of Movies/MP3. Then have to go out and spend £210 for a memory stick big enough for a few songs, or £15 for a UMD of Spiderman i have at home already!

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

how do you figure? as far as size or resolution goes, of course not.

Actually, I think I once calculated that as far as size the combination of the two DS screens and the PSP screen were very close. I believe I came to the conclusion that I couldn't come to the conclusion of which would really give the greater area since it got down to such a small difference. Resolution on the other hand, yeah, PSP wins. 256x192x2 vs 480x272; PSP has a 32.8% advantage.

Of course, some people will say that since one screen will usually be used for the main view that's what should be compared, in which case the PSP will have twice the screen area and 165.6% more pixels.

 

[mumu]

I found this pic of PSP vs DS, and the PSP screen actually appears to be smaller than the 2 DS screens combined (i know it is not)?

 

[Amir0x]

Welcome to Amir0x's owning round, starring ThongyDonk!

Yeah and they are boring.

Thanks for your input but that's not what you said.

for sitting at home on his PC declaring the PSP will sell 20million, and then getting upset as people tell him they won't, and for you defending his statement BASED ON HIS OWN ASSUMPTIONS

I'm sorry, every assertion we're making here is speculation/assumptions/predictions.

Guess that makes you a loser.

No i think you'll find that the DS is being purchased by previous non handheld buyers e.g ME. I am living proof of what something new and different can do. Sell me a console

Hi, my name is ThongyDonk! I believe that anecdotal evidence is irrefutable proof of a trend! My avatar does not expose the truth about me at all! Here is my best friend:

Sorry but at the time SEGA was probably bigger than Nintendo in sales of Home COnsoles with the Mega Drive, and yet the Game Gear Bombed. The n-Gage bombed, Like people link Sony to homes, they link Gameboy to handheld.

Wow, you really have no clue about the vast differences between every previous entry into the handheld industry and this. Wow. We can discuss everything from how the DS is not yet established as the new handheld brand to get or how PSP is coming out almost around the same time as that system limiting it's absurd head start, or how the PSP doesn't even have an ounce of the limitations those other systems had, or hell - we can discuss anything!

Your entire statement here exposes that you know nothing about how the industry works. Which will make the inevitable crow eating all the more satisfying! Now I can't wait!

And the portable offers me nothing i can't get at home. A nice looking game!! WHOOPEE DOOO. The DS offers new ways of playing. Deny that and you are silly.

And the GB/GBA offered me nothing I couldn't play at home, and eighteen generations ago to boot. Don't be dense. Having a new method of input is not indicative of success. There are about a trillion other things that are for more telling, and you choose the weakest one.

And no, there have been touch screen games MANY times in the past. The DS is just the first time it has been supported by such a prominent company in the handheld industry. Dual screen is a more innovative prospect and we already know just how "new" the experiences we have been playing here. Sure, it has the potential to offer "new" experiences. But the problem here is that new experiences are not fundamentally better experiences. To wit: A great DS game will be just as great as a great PSP game. No amount of functionality is going to change that.

As for the portable offering you nothing you can get at home - wrong. It offers portability. It also offers games you can't buy at home. Therefore, your entire assertion is false. And, further to the point, your definition of unique is flawed and hilariously misguided.

OH WOW LUMINES. Ridge Racer. Whoopee Doo (Again).

That's cool that you're not interested in them. Please note this is not at all what we're discussing. If you keep wearing your heart on your sleeve you're easily exposed and your points are easily torn apart, as I am doing here.

Show me games Wario Ware, yoshi touch and go, Nintendogs, feel the magic. Games which ARE DIFFERENT. Games which offer me new ways of playing. In saying you can play them at home i wasn't stating i can get Lumines at home. I was stating the gameplay offered by the PSP i can get at home. Simple as.

Wrong road to go down. We'll come back to this when the DS actually offers a single game that even remotely takes advantage of its unique functionality. We have Feel the Magic XY/XX and Wario Ware, both of which are essentially mini-game compilations. And don't forget, we have Wario Ware on a home console already. That console is called Gamecube.

And again, please note that it doesn't matter whether or not you want to have games that follow similar gameplay patterns as consoles. That's so utterly irrelevant to this discussion that, again, it's easily exposed.

The point is it has been demonstrated clearly time and time again that people do want similar gaming experiences. In the absence of viable alternatives, though, they will settle for less. The PSP is the first ever TRUE viable alternative. This goes to my previous point about how you fail to grasp the industry. Not Game Gear, not Atari Lynx, not even nGAGE offered viable alternatives. Game Gear was a joke that was such an expensive proposition due to constant battery replacement that most normal family couldn't support such horribly designed drek. The Atari Lynx was supported by a horrific marketing campaign among other problems. The PSP has already raped it on every level in this direction. And the nGAGE came into the market priced at 299 - effectively ending its chances at any sort of handheld dominance.

I don't want a system which has a main selling point of Movies/MP3. Then have to go out and spend £210 for a memory stick big enough for a few songs, or £15 for a UMD of Spiderman i have at home already!

The main selling point of PSP is the games, jack. But thanks for playing! You can get your ticket at the door. Oh, also you can already start purchasing movies for less than 4 bucks for the PSP memory stick starting next week.

I found this pic of PSP vs DS, and the PSP screen actually appears to be smaller than the 2 DS screens combined (i know it is not)?

Both DS screens combined are slightly larger than one single PSP screen. The total pixels the single PSP screen has though is, as expressed earlier, over 30% more than DS. And that's when you combine both screens together. A single screen on DS has 60% less pixels than the PSP screen. That's the type of gap we're talking about in quality.

 

[Date of Lies]

Both DS screens combined are slightly larger than one single PSP screen. The total pixels the single PSP screen has though is, as expressed earlier, over 30% more than DS. And that's when you combine both screens together. A single screen on DS has 60% less pixels than the PSP screen. That's the type of gap we're talking about in quality.

Yeah but how many of them pixels are dead? :lol

 

[Amir0x]

Yeah but how many of them pixels are dead? :lol

I don't know, how many pixels are dead on the DS screens?

A lot?

 

[ThongyDonk]

amir0x

Again you reply with your own presumptions and believe them to be right.

You did not pick me apart, more so corrected me to your way of thinking.

You are just like a preacher to the public, preaching about a god that does not exist, and getting angry because we will not believe what you believe to be true.

Go get a Quaffee and chill. And realise there is more to life. Anyway i'm off to arrange more stuff for my wedding, moving home and Xmas.
IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE!!

 

[Odnetnin]

amir0x

Again you reply with your own presumptions and believe them to be right.

You did not pick me apart, more so corrected me to your way of thinking.

You are just like a preacher to the public, preaching about a god that does not exist, and getting angry because we will not believe what you believe to be true.

Go get a Quaffee and chill. And realise there is more to life. Anyway i'm off to arrange more stuff for my wedding, moving home and Xmas.
IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE!!

Tritoid?

 

[Amir0x]

amir0x

Again you reply with your own presumptions and believe them to be right.

You did not pick me apart, more so corrected me to your way of thinking.

You are just like a preacher to the public, preaching about a god that does not exist, and getting angry because we will not believe what you believe to be true.

Go get a Quaffee and chill. And realise there is more to life. Anyway i'm off to arrange more stuff for my wedding, moving home and Xmas.
IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE!!

:lol :lol

Brilliant!

 

[ThongyDonk]

:lol :lol

Brilliant!

!! I suppose if laughter and trying to belittle me is your way of self pleasuring/reassurement then you crack on there.

 

[Amir0x]

!! I suppose if laughter and trying to belittle me is your way of self pleasuring/reassurement then you crack on there.

Why do you interpret laughter as a way to belittle you? Do you have horrible memories of people laughing or something?

Anyway, heh, I don't need any reassurement. Your "brilliant" response made my day. As you can tell my day was very boring. The whole "public preacher" speaking about a "God that doesn't exist" bit, though... wow. That was so perfectly melodramatic that I could almost taste it. It tasted like strawberry filled chocolates.

 

[captainbiotch]

children, children, don't forget that this is a gaming message board on the internet.

 

[explodet]

children, children, don't forget that this is a gaming message board on the internet.

Actually it's a GAMING MESSAGE BOARD ON THE INTERNET.

Easy mistake to make.

 

[Amir0x]

children, children, don't forget that this is a gaming message board on the internet.

THE INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!1

 

[ThongyDonk]

As the great Elvis once said.

"Love me tender. Love me do.
I really couldn't give a fcuk about you"

No hard feelings fella, you are the best here's to celebrating a happy and fulfilling life, filled with Sony Goodness. ooooooh WOW.

 

[Amir0x]

As the great Elvis once said.

"Love me tender. Love me do.
I really couldn't give a fcuk about you"

No hard feelings fella, you are the best here's to celebrating a happy and fulfilling life, filled with Sony Goodness. ooooooh WOW.

I do hope you mean filled with Videogame goodness. I could not care less about what company it's from.

 

[gamergirly]

I don't know, how many pixels are dead on the DS screens?

A lot?

None. No matter how long you stay away from GAF, its always the same when you come back.......along with Amirsux

 

[Amir0x]

None. No matter how long you stay away from GAF, its always the same when you come back.......along with Amirsux

I think you missed the point.

The DS has had many, many reports of dead pixels. The same is true of PSP.

Similarly, I'm sure you can think up more clever insults than "Amirsux." I understand you don't appreciate constantly being owned by me on a daily basis but clearly you can't have been shafted so much that the best you can think up is "Amirsux." I mean, really? That's all?

 

[lexi]

I've got the day off tommorow, Ami, I'll be sure to dedicate some time to creating innovative and clever misspellings of your name. For the community.

 

[Amir0x]

I've got the day off tommorow, Ami, I'll be sure to dedicate some time to creating innovative and clever misspellings of your name. For the community.

It is a difficult task but one that will be very rewarding.

 

[-SRV-]

you know ... if you get a GameGear and a Gameboy, you'll be amazed how much more advance GameGear is.

PSP has better visual than NDS -> FACT
NDS sold 2 Million -> FACT
PSP will F NDS in the A -> FACT ? I don't think so.

IAWTP

 

[bigNman]

I think the DS has two major problems which are putting me off buying - the lack of texture filtering & no analouge stick. You cant really deny that. Any 3rd person 3d games will be difficult to control. All 3d games will suffer in the visuals department. If Nintendo had fixed these things I could see the DS fighting neck and neck with the PSP. But the fact is the PSP one ups the DS on these two points and that is going to be very obvious to the general public. Im a huge Nintendo fan (look at my username) but I see no way in hell the possibilty of the DS outselling the PSP. At least the DS doesnt carry the gameboy name, otherwise it would be a bleak situation.

 

[Amir0x]

the lack of texture filtering

As someone who owns a DS I can say with all honesty that the lack of texture filtering is not something that is really a big issue on the smaller screen. You can notice it certainly if you're trying to be picky but games still look fantastic when done right. Feel the Magic XY/XX looks very good. Metroid Hunters looks spectacular, frankly. And Super Mario 64 DS looks better than its N64 counterpart. So this alone is not something that should persuade you.

Unless, of course, you've already had experience with DS and it has annoyed you. I can't say it is an issue for me

 

[luxsol]

I see no way in hell the possibilty of the DS outselling the PSP.

It already is and it will even when the PSP comes out in the US because Sony is limiting the numbers manufactured and released until... 2006?

 

[Amir0x]

It already is and it will when it comes out in the US because Sony is limiting the numbers manufactured and released until... 2006?

You should expect a PSP manufacturing boom by next Christmas. They will take full advantage of that time.


Then we'll be able to guage who is on top.

 

[kitchenmotors]

You should expect a PSP manufacturing boom by next Christmas. They will take full advantage of that time.


Then we'll be able to guage who is on top.

Next Christmas is a long ways off, If Sony really plans to hold back on production they will never catch up to the DS. The DS is going to sell like hotcakes no matter if the PSP is on the market or not, the question is will the PSP be able to outsell the DS and surpass it.

 

[duderon]

After reading impressions here i do believe the PSP has the edge on the DS in terms of "wow" factor and the ability to pick up new handheld users. The only thing holding Sony back now is the rate at which they can pump out new consoles. As already brought up in this thread they are taking huge losses on each system, so they may not be able to match Nintendo's DS output.

This is the main reason i believe the DS will have the sales edge over PSP, now. If Sony can match Nintendo's output in time for next christmas, i speculate the PSP will be neck in neck, or possibly surpass the DS in sales.

 

[Amir0x]

Next Christmas is a long ways off, If Sony really plans to hold back on production they will never catch up to the DS.

I think it has been demonstrated many times that having a headstart does not necessarily mean superior sales. The DC had a headstart on PS2 and yet the second PS2 came out it began to outsell the DC in droves. The PSP is not even out worldwide yet, so any speculation on what kind of effect a headstart has is pretty silly.

We can sum it up pretty easily, though. A headstart does not and never will equal success.

The DS is going to sell like hotcakes no matter if the PSP is on the market or not,

This remains to be seen. The DS, like the PSP, is selling largely to their early fanbase no matter the buzz surrounding them. The early adopters are overwhelmingly fanboys/gadget adopters/tech whores. We will not see what type of long life DS or PSP have until late 2005. Clearly the market can support both but your assumption here is based on nothing other than hopeful fellating.

the question is will the PSP be able to outsell the DS and surpass it.

The question is this indeed. I guess we'll see the trends starting Christmas season 2005.

 

[bryanbr]

You should expect a PSP manufacturing boom by next Christmas. They will take full advantage of that time.


Then we'll be able to guage who is on top.

By next Christmas the PSP will all but be pulled from the US market.

Amir0x, you are living in a fantasy world. There are not enough people out there who will spend the 249.00 on a PSP to support the sale of software on it. Developers can't survive on a total user base of around 4 million technophile who will be buying it.

And the GBA crowd that bought their handhelds at 69 to 99 won't be buying the PSP. The PSP is doomed.

 

[Amir0x]

By next Christmas the PSP will all but be pulled from the US market.

No, there's not even a one percent possibility of this happening. Zero. Zilch. Nadda. None. Zip. No possibility.

In all the time I have seen trolling and dellusions at GAF this is by far the most hilarious example.

Amir0x, you are living in a fantasy world. There are not enough people out there who will spend the 249.00 on a PSP to support the sale of software on it. Developers can't survive on a total user base of around 4 million technophile who will be buying it.

Yes, and the DS costs 189.99 with a game.

Nein, the PSP costs 194 dollars by current exchange rates and no amount of ballerina-esque posting is going to change that fact.

And you're right, developers can't survive with a total user base of 4 million. It's a good thing that the possibility of the PSP userbase maxing at 4mil is about as likely as Saddam Hussein coordinating a nuclear attack from his prison cell in southern Iraq.

But man, "[Amir0x is] living in a fantasy world". Comedy Platinum. :lol :lol You always make my day, bryanbr.

And the GBA crowd that bought their handhelds at 69 to 99 won't be buying the PSP. The PSP is doomed.

The part in bold is a bannable offense.

 

[bryanbr]

Clearly the market can support both but your assumption here is based on nothing other than hopeful fellating.

Wrong. Wrong. and Wrong.

There is no substantial market for playing cutdown versions of PS2 games on a 249.00 handheld gaming device.

We know that the vast majority of kids of bought GBAs at 69 to 99 won't be getting the PSP. And those kids are the vast majority of the handheld gaming market.

So explain to use why literally tens of millions of current PS2 owners who don't have the time or the interest in handheld gaming will be forking over 249.00?

Yeah, that's right. You can't.

The market for the NDS is equally unproven, but more substantial. It is selling to people who still want to play their existing GBA library and the occasional new fangled NDS title.

 

[ThongyDonk]

We can sum it up pretty easily, though. A headstart does not and never will equal success.
.

Tell that to Sony, with their 1 yr headstart over Microsoft and Nintendo with the PS2

 

[AniHawk]

So explain to use why literally tens of millions of current PS2 owners who don't have the time or the interest in handheld gaming will be forking over 249.00?

Don't have the time? The PS2 sales ratio of software to hardware is the highest among consoles. There are about 25 million of the systems in the US... I'm sure at least 5-10% of them are probably really hardcore and interested in a PSP with some games, and have the money to support it early on. They'll start the word of mouth and when the system can be made cheaper, it should take off (thinking maybe this time next year at the latest).

 

[AniHawk]

Tell that to Sony, with their 1 yr headstart over Microsoft and Nintendo with the PS2

Sony didn't really have a headstart. They're the market dominator, and basically decided when the gen began. The DC had a headstart and died, and the GC and Xbox were latecomers.

 

[Catchpenny]

In all the time I have seen trolling and dellusions at GAF this is by far the most hilarious example.

I've seen much worse in the way of trolling and "dellusions", actually.

</Amir0x>

 

[Amir0x]

There is no substantial market for playing cutdown versions of PS2 games on a 249.00 handheld gaming device.

It's 194, once again, and the statement preceding that is an assumption based on hot air. Similarly, although this hardly needs to be said since you're clearly trolling and baiting, the PSP plays many games the PS2 does not. And it will only increase as time goes on.

We know that the vast majority of kids of bought GBAs at 69 to 99 won't be getting the PSP. And those kids are the vast majority of the handheld gaming market.

No, "we" don't know that. "You" assume that. "You" are, as always, incredibly misguided. In fact it's fair to say that "you" know nothing about what the gaming market wants. Or what "most" kids want, for that matter.

So explain to use why literally tens of millions of current PS2 owners who don't have the time or the interest in handheld gaming will be forking over 249.00?

Yeah, that's right. You can't.

It's 194.

And, again, this is hopeless trolling and baiting on your part but I'll entertain this because it's still the most hilarious assertion made by any fanboy.

The PSP is a portable device. The reason any given person will buy it is because it offers a portable alternative for gaming. Period. Even if it was just a "PS2 Portable", which it's not, you cannot drag your 40" plasma screen with you on the go. So the appeal of such a system is obvious.

This of course ignores the plethora of other factors such as the ability to play games you cannot find anywhere on PS2 and the other various media functionalities and the billion other facts we have... but that's for naught. Clearly your tragic sensibilities removes your ability to think coherently.

The market for the NDS is equally unproven, but more substantial. It is selling to people who still want to play their existing GBA library and the occasional new fangled NDS title.

I'm sorry, but in order for the 60,000,000 GBA/GBASP owners to want to upgrade there has to be real motivation. The real question is this: Will someone who has purchased a GBA or GBA SP find that it's worth upgrading to another Nintendo handheld right away JUST so they can play GBA games again? Is it worth this despite the fact that now you're stripped of the multiplayer aspect of your favorite GBA titles? This is a more substantial question.

People who are going to invest in another handheld are going to do so now because they want a relevant upgrade in technology and gaming experiences. Both DS and PSP offer their respective advantages.

 

[jarrod]

We can sum it up pretty easily, though. A headstart does not and never will equal success.

I dunno... it's worked out pretty well for Sega and Sony before. It'll probably be a good advantage for Microsoft next year also.

A headstart can definietly be a large contributing factor at the least... though I don't think it really applies here (DS vs PSP) as there isn't enough of a headstart to be of use really. Sony's having problems getting manufacturing up to speed but that'll likely be rectified in the next 3-6 months, which really isn't enough time for DS to attain an insurmountable lead (though a healthy lead is possible). Both machines have notable software and engaging hardware, the winner here is going to be decided by market strategy (pricing, promotion, brand, media, etc).

 

[mashoutposse]

By next Christmas the PSP will all but be pulled from the US market.

Amir0x, you are living in a fantasy world.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Amir0x]

I've seen much worse in the way of trolling and "dellusions", actually.

</Amir0x>

No "you" haven't. And I know it's spelled "delusions." I was just typing too fast. I have a tendancy to write out things out they sound when I'm not paying attention.

Anyway, feel free to defend his stupidity if you want. You'll only drag yourself down. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to do here.

 

[AniHawk]

Nein, the PSP costs 194 dollars by current exchange rates and no amount of ballerina-esque posting is going to change that fact.

True, the system itself does, but a memory stick is required (I think) to save games. It's like how with the PS2/GC/DC, you're not just buying the system, you pretty much have to spend another 20-30 bucks for a memory device. Then after tax, you're looking at probably 250ish if the system is $199.99 in the States.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Amir0x, you are living in a fantasy world.

We live in our world, we just play in Sony's.