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Dungeons of Dredmor |OT| it's roguelike, it has graphics, it's funny and it's $4.49
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picklecannon
Member
Here's the build I got:
Swords
Archery
Dual Wielding
Artful Dodger
Vampirism
Smithing
Tinkering
It looks like a really solid build. Time to take it for a ride!
EDIT 1:
I couldn't resist the allure of an evil box that was in the second room. I kept telling myself "What if that box contains the best sword you'll find for the rest of the game!"
EDIT 2: Just had my second death at 380 points. I lost about 10 hp trying to open a door and with vampirism I couldn't really do much about it. =P
Swords
Archery
Dual Wielding
Artful Dodger
Vampirism
Smithing
Tinkering
It looks like a really solid build. Time to take it for a ride!
EDIT 1:
I couldn't resist the allure of an evil box that was in the second room. I kept telling myself "What if that box contains the best sword you'll find for the rest of the game!"
EDIT 2: Just had my second death at 380 points. I lost about 10 hp trying to open a door and with vampirism I couldn't really do much about it. =P
Well, I'm just wrapping up the first floor on my first shot at this build.
Surprised to see so many melee/warrior builds, for some reason. You guys should play more mages, they are quite a lot easier.
I went straight up to Smithing 5 with my levels on floor 1. Also... I found three pieces of chalk. Boom. I have like 8 steel right now I need to craft, an artifact axe and mace, and sweet armor already. Smithing seems quite powerful.
Oh, and there is some ridiculous weapons in my level 1 shops. Look at this business:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Wallach/screenshot/541774443067285407
Uh huh. The one on the left is still awesome too, and I might come back up to buy that one (~8,000 zorkmids or so) if I don't find anything useful on floor 2. Not sure I need it though with how fast I'm getting stuff from Smithing.
My big worry is the zoo on floor 2 right now. I have dick all for AoE and I'm not sure I have enough food/healing to sit and grind it out in a choke yet.
Surprised to see so many melee/warrior builds, for some reason. You guys should play more mages, they are quite a lot easier.
I went straight up to Smithing 5 with my levels on floor 1. Also... I found three pieces of chalk. Boom. I have like 8 steel right now I need to craft, an artifact axe and mace, and sweet armor already. Smithing seems quite powerful.
Oh, and there is some ridiculous weapons in my level 1 shops. Look at this business:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Wallach/screenshot/541774443067285407
Uh huh. The one on the left is still awesome too, and I might come back up to buy that one (~8,000 zorkmids or so) if I don't find anything useful on floor 2. Not sure I need it though with how fast I'm getting stuff from Smithing.
My big worry is the zoo on floor 2 right now. I have dick all for AoE and I'm not sure I have enough food/healing to sit and grind it out in a choke yet.
KrayzeeGloo
Neo Member
Well, my set-up should be interesting; pretty much entirely skills I've never worked with!
Let's hope I can actually learn these skills quickly.
Let's hope I can actually learn these skills quickly.
Ooccoo
Member
I just purchased this game and it's really great. I was killed during my first run after eating the ear of a demon or something, and my character wouldn't stop spawning everywhere on the map and shooting AOE spells that ultimately killed me. My second try was really quick : I opened an evil chest, and the monster inside quickly killed me. Now on my third run things are going really nice for me.
I think I'm one of the few people who's running a rogue though. It's great to see all the traps and disarm them easily - saves me a lot of health. And being able to crit and stun monsters is very valuable. So far so good, I'm only on floor 2 though (level 6) and met the effin' zoo but closed all doors near it and found another way around the map.
It's addicting though I didn't notice a way to sell all my numerous items yet. Also, first post.
I think I'm one of the few people who's running a rogue though. It's great to see all the traps and disarm them easily - saves me a lot of health. And being able to crit and stun monsters is very valuable. So far so good, I'm only on floor 2 though (level 6) and met the effin' zoo but closed all doors near it and found another way around the map.
It's addicting though I didn't notice a way to sell all my numerous items yet. Also, first post.
Working on floor 3 right now. Not sure yet how best to deal with AIs and their ilk, as they do a lot of piercing damage which (until next patch) isn't handled by armor at all. Otherwise things are going swell; I've got a 15 damage axe in one hand, a 10 damage mace in the other (which I can turn into a Magma Mace as soon as I find a ruby), full plate mail, and winged aluminum boots. Fairly well stocked on consumables as well. I can definitely see myself still running into trouble if I don't get to rank 4 maces soon (I'm either one or two levels away still), but things are snowballing nicely. Provided I don't hit floor 3's monster zoo before then I think I can get pretty far on my first run.
picklecannon
Member
Just had my third death for the contest:
Found a monster zoo and it was going fine and even killed a couple of named monsters, but then a named octo showed up and I was just testing the waters to see what he would hit me for. Ended up hitting me for 20 and finishing me off with magic as I desperately tried to run back to some stairs. That brings my total to 16472 points for the contest.
Found a monster zoo and it was going fine and even killed a couple of named monsters, but then a named octo showed up and I was just testing the waters to see what he would hit me for. Ended up hitting me for 20 and finishing me off with magic as I desperately tried to run back to some stairs. That brings my total to 16472 points for the contest.
My entry:
Had the following skills
Ran into a lot of enemies behind the first door, panicked and randomly teleported around the room until I died haha.
2nd Attempt - 5588
Was going along nicely with good equipment but then I met an gargoyle acid arrow trap, trapping me in after I went over it, typically I forgot I could teleport this time =/
3rd Attempt - 3044
Out of food and low on health you'd think I'd have been careful, sadly not as I walked over a dwarfen trap that was visible to me, it should have said killed by player on the gravestone instead.
Total = 8652
Only skill I hadn't used before was smithing and I really liked it, definitely will again. Also going to just carry on playing on going rogue now too, can't drop down =P
Had the following skills
1st Attempt - 20
Ran into a lot of enemies behind the first door, panicked and randomly teleported around the room until I died haha.
2nd Attempt - 5588
Was going along nicely with good equipment but then I met an gargoyle acid arrow trap, trapping me in after I went over it, typically I forgot I could teleport this time =/
3rd Attempt - 3044
Out of food and low on health you'd think I'd have been careful, sadly not as I walked over a dwarfen trap that was visible to me, it should have said killed by player on the gravestone instead.
Total = 8652
Only skill I hadn't used before was smithing and I really liked it, definitely will again. Also going to just carry on playing on going rogue now too, can't drop down =P
Wait, we have to add the points of the various runs?
I thought it was whoever has the single highest scoring run wins.
Oh god, my 108 points on the first one are gonna hurt then.
The second run is near the end of the second level and it's going fairly well.
I'm going very slowly because I don't want to kill myself like I always do and because I want to use my spores as often as possible and sometimes this requires me to wait in front of a corpse for the cooldown on the spores to finish.
Fungal arts is nonsense. I have stacks of nearly 40 shrooms of every type but the mana ones that I don't need and every stack is at least worth 1000 gold. With the ability to spawn multiple spores with higher ranks of the trees it makes the economy for the character easy to manage, without selling wands or valuable bolts. Having 35 invisibility shrooms makes me feel a bit safer, same goes for the healing ones.
Obviously to counteract this most of my loot has been quite mediocre thus far, but there are 3 or 4 10000 gold items in the level one shops that I want to take sooner or later, depending if I feel safe selling a chunk of my shroom stockpile or not.
This is also my first run with swords. The aoe skill is not that great because if I have my enemies in a line I have solved a lot of my problem, on the other hand the axes one is a good way of breaking a surround and the maces one has knock back which is very nice, on the same noite dwarven handshake is much better than the other 2 skills level 2 skills as far as I'm concerned. Thankfully the tree makes up for it with a pretty high number of counters, too bad Dual Wielding is bugged.
Armor mastery is doing its job even with the poor armor I have found up till now. Suit up is kind of boring too keep up, in particular now that I don't really have much endangering me but the later buffs seem worth it.
On the other hand evasion and viking magic have been completely ignored. Being a melee character I have to be face to face with my enemies so I need good armor to reduce the damage, and good armor usually cuts both magic power and evasion. I have a MP of 4 and I don't see it rising anytime soon and evasion is close to that level.
Perception for now is part of this overlooked trio too, but I might put some points into it in later levels for the trap sight if I keep on not finding anything decent to replace it.
I thought it was whoever has the single highest scoring run wins.
Oh god, my 108 points on the first one are gonna hurt then.
The second run is near the end of the second level and it's going fairly well.
I'm going very slowly because I don't want to kill myself like I always do and because I want to use my spores as often as possible and sometimes this requires me to wait in front of a corpse for the cooldown on the spores to finish.
Fungal arts is nonsense. I have stacks of nearly 40 shrooms of every type but the mana ones that I don't need and every stack is at least worth 1000 gold. With the ability to spawn multiple spores with higher ranks of the trees it makes the economy for the character easy to manage, without selling wands or valuable bolts. Having 35 invisibility shrooms makes me feel a bit safer, same goes for the healing ones.
Obviously to counteract this most of my loot has been quite mediocre thus far, but there are 3 or 4 10000 gold items in the level one shops that I want to take sooner or later, depending if I feel safe selling a chunk of my shroom stockpile or not.
This is also my first run with swords. The aoe skill is not that great because if I have my enemies in a line I have solved a lot of my problem, on the other hand the axes one is a good way of breaking a surround and the maces one has knock back which is very nice, on the same noite dwarven handshake is much better than the other 2 skills level 2 skills as far as I'm concerned. Thankfully the tree makes up for it with a pretty high number of counters, too bad Dual Wielding is bugged.
Armor mastery is doing its job even with the poor armor I have found up till now. Suit up is kind of boring too keep up, in particular now that I don't really have much endangering me but the later buffs seem worth it.
On the other hand evasion and viking magic have been completely ignored. Being a melee character I have to be face to face with my enemies so I need good armor to reduce the damage, and good armor usually cuts both magic power and evasion. I have a MP of 4 and I don't see it rising anytime soon and evasion is close to that level.
Perception for now is part of this overlooked trio too, but I might put some points into it in later levels for the trap sight if I keep on not finding anything decent to replace it.
KittenMaster
Member
I got:
Swords
Dual Wielding
Berserker Rage
Master of Arms
Promethean Magic
Magic Training
Smithing
I'm gonna start my runs right away.
EDIT: I don't think anybody got the setup I sent in.
EDIT 1: First run ended with running into some traps. I'm used to Perception letting me avoid such stupidity.
EDIT 2: I thought I had cleared out a large room when I ran into a couple of Diggles that had come out into the open. -_-
Swords
Dual Wielding
Berserker Rage
Master of Arms
Promethean Magic
Magic Training
Smithing
I'm gonna start my runs right away.
EDIT: I don't think anybody got the setup I sent in.
EDIT 1: First run ended with running into some traps. I'm used to Perception letting me avoid such stupidity.
EDIT 2: I thought I had cleared out a large room when I ran into a couple of Diggles that had come out into the open. -_-
I'm on floor 5 now, but I don't see myself getting much further. This build isn't really viable to go that much deeper unless I start getting luckier with vending machines. Each monster zoo is worse than the last, and it mostly just comes down to losing the battle of attrition if you don't have enough high powered bolts to get through a zoo. I don't, currently. Were this in the upcoming patch I think it would be a lot more viable, but as it stands pierce damage pretty much ruins the potential of a pure-melee build working that well. Not really looking forward to run 2/3 with this build, really.
KittenMaster
Member
Lost any sort of motivation after how poorly game 2 went and after seeing how far Wallach had gotten.
I didn't really enjoy the build I was playing, but it was a good build. If I were to improve it I'd replace Berserker with Perception, because being able to see traps before tripping over them is nice and the stat bonuses are great, especially the ones from the buff at the end of the skill tree.
My next game is gonna be the build I sent, because I was hoping to see how it would turn out for someone else but nobody got it.
I didn't really enjoy the build I was playing, but it was a good build. If I were to improve it I'd replace Berserker with Perception, because being able to see traps before tripping over them is nice and the stat bonuses are great, especially the ones from the buff at the end of the skill tree.
My next game is gonna be the build I sent, because I was hoping to see how it would turn out for someone else but nobody got it.
Just a suggestion for the next event if we do one -
When coming up with the skill set, I tried to go out of my way to make sure that the player on the receiving end wouldn't be boned. As a result, I picked some skills that I don't have any experience with simply because I thought they'd give enough survivability so the poor dood who got my build wouldn't hate me.
As a result(?) it seems like we have a lot of similar builds out there so I'd like to propose that for the next event we put out either A) the builds that we think are the best or B) the builds that we enjoy the most.
That way you're putting something out there that you probably have a crap load of experience with and we can see a bunch of new playstyles.
For example, my favorite build right now (though not really my "best") is a rogue / mage build with Astrology, Necromancy, Unarmed, Perception, Fungal Arts, + α. It's not even close to the build I submitted but I think it's a lot more interesting to play.
Later on, if we stick with the sort of competition we can come up with new categories like "pick your opponent's build" where you'll either submit something decent (in case you draft it yourself) or utter crap (to try and sabotage everyone else.)
Just some ideas.
When coming up with the skill set, I tried to go out of my way to make sure that the player on the receiving end wouldn't be boned. As a result, I picked some skills that I don't have any experience with simply because I thought they'd give enough survivability so the poor dood who got my build wouldn't hate me.
As a result(?) it seems like we have a lot of similar builds out there so I'd like to propose that for the next event we put out either A) the builds that we think are the best or B) the builds that we enjoy the most.
That way you're putting something out there that you probably have a crap load of experience with and we can see a bunch of new playstyles.
For example, my favorite build right now (though not really my "best") is a rogue / mage build with Astrology, Necromancy, Unarmed, Perception, Fungal Arts, + α. It's not even close to the build I submitted but I think it's a lot more interesting to play.
Later on, if we stick with the sort of competition we can come up with new categories like "pick your opponent's build" where you'll either submit something decent (in case you draft it yourself) or utter crap (to try and sabotage everyone else.)
Just some ideas.
Vampirism seems utterly worthless on going rogue difficulty. Maybe it's better later on when you are able to do some decent damage, but trying to get past over 4 rooms on level 1 with it is just impossible. Taking away food means you can't heal at all, and things hit you for more than you can do so early on.
platypotamus
Member
I think we should just start a game of the week or something. Winner of this contest posts a build, everyone plays with the same build, highest score wins and can post the next build.
KittenMaster
Member
Doesn't sound too bad. I'd look forward to next week's contest even if I failed miserably this time.
Welp, that took all of 15 minutes!
My build was:
Unarmed
Shield Bearer
Artful Dodger
Vampirism
Fleshsmithing
Burglary
Tinkering
DrinkingWater1 the Adventurer was killed by a Diggle on Level 1 - 60 points
DrinkingWater2 the Blood-drinker was killed from a buff wearing off on Level 1 - 796 (woo!)
DrinkingWater3 the Adventurer was killed from a buff wearing off on Level 1 - 248
for a grand total of 1104! I'm pleasantly surprised that I surpassed my prediction of less than 500 points. It was pretty tough with dealing low damage and lack of accessible healing. I managed to lockpick my way to a level-up on my second runthrough and immediately got the corpse feasting skill, but it was difficult killing things x_x Hoping I fare a bit better in the next challenge.
My build was:
Unarmed
Shield Bearer
Artful Dodger
Vampirism
Fleshsmithing
Burglary
Tinkering
DrinkingWater1 the Adventurer was killed by a Diggle on Level 1 - 60 points
DrinkingWater2 the Blood-drinker was killed from a buff wearing off on Level 1 - 796 (woo!)
DrinkingWater3 the Adventurer was killed from a buff wearing off on Level 1 - 248
for a grand total of 1104! I'm pleasantly surprised that I surpassed my prediction of less than 500 points. It was pretty tough with dealing low damage and lack of accessible healing. I managed to lockpick my way to a level-up on my second runthrough and immediately got the corpse feasting skill, but it was difficult killing things x_x Hoping I fare a bit better in the next challenge.
jayTOH said:
How did Vampirism and Fleshsmithing work out for you? I tinkered around with it a little bit, but found that Vampires couldn't take advantage of the increased regeneration rates that the tier one skill offers. Seems like the heal spell would be useful (rank 3 or 4?) but staying alive long enough to get it would be hard...
KittenMaster
Member
Yeah, this wasn't my build at all.
Who ended up with my build, if anyone at all?
It was:
Vampirism
Dual-wielding
Staves
Axes
Golemancy
Psionics
Assassin
KuroNeeko said:
From a Going Rogue noob's perspective, I found that Vampirism in general is tough to start out with if you're doing face-to-face combat. With Fleshsmithing's first tier skill, it makes it slightly more bearable, but I think you'd have to choose your battles extremely wisely, or just get plain lucky. I died twice to having my meatshield wear off, and that was after making sure I was only doing one-on-one battles (Burglary helped so much with this since I never had to kick down doors and was able to close them if there were too many Diggles/bats to deal with). It's hard to depend on Vampirism when you only get one health per hit when you start out, unless you start with skills or gear that up your Magic Power to four already. Again, this is from someone whose played only on DM up until now. I probably, and most likely, could've played the Vamp+Flesh build better, but I didn't know how =/
I pretty much decided to just plow forward and die so I can get on with my other two attempts. Would have taken too much grinding and wandering for food vendors to continue much further properly.
I don't see myself getting beyond floor 5 with this build unless I have amazing luck as far as bolts.
I don't see myself getting beyond floor 5 with this build unless I have amazing luck as far as bolts.
TheBez said:
I am strongly for this idea, btw how long do we got for the current challenge?
First Try: 40, Death by opening the first door, Encounter with 4 Diggles.
KittenMaster
Member
I just tried my own build on GR+P. It was actually working out very well on the first floor for a Vampirism set. Crystal Healing is perfect for a vampire, I think, because you can get back to full HP easily especially after you ended up triggering some traps. Sword/Axe/Mace + Staves seem like a great combination too to build up magic while still having damage. Assassin and Staff effect attack stack.
The only reason my playthrough ended was because I got way too lazy and ended up fighting a Quest monster 1 on 1.
I wonder what others think. They would have to learn to use very non-direct spells (your spinning blade is the damage spell in this setup), but I think it has a great start at least. I don't know about late game.
The only reason my playthrough ended was because I got way too lazy and ended up fighting a Quest monster 1 on 1.
I wonder what others think. They would have to learn to use very non-direct spells (your spinning blade is the damage spell in this setup), but I think it has a great start at least. I don't know about late game.
jayTOH said:
That is the build i sent
I knew it would be tricky.Haven't tried but my main strategy would be equipping 2 mage shields and pumping up unarmed with vampirism. And burglary-tinkering combo to lock-pick and then close gates, putting down traps etc. Still, a hard opening awaits, i guess.
KittenMaster
Member
Man. I'm so disappointed that my build didn't fall into anyone's hands. it's turning out to be amazing, at least as far as the contest is concerned (I don't know if it can win the game yet, but I have 37,896 points with it so far).
I'm running vampire and haven't even needed to get corpse eating yet.
I'm running vampire and haven't even needed to get corpse eating yet.
My Contest Build:
I. Run: 12788
II. Run: 316
III. Run: 5748
TOTAL: 18852
Playing with this build, i learnt how to use vampirism correctly. Third run was going smooth until i decided to pull off a lutefisk cube explosion for the achievement... just near Brax :lol
The winner decides the next week's build thing is going to be great and really good for our skills.
I. Run: 12788
II. Run: 316
III. Run: 5748
TOTAL: 18852
Playing with this build, i learnt how to use vampirism correctly. Third run was going smooth until i decided to pull off a lutefisk cube explosion for the achievement... just near Brax :lol
The winner decides the next week's build thing is going to be great and really good for our skills.
picklecannon
Member
Wallach said:
From what I remember floor 5 was much worse than floor 6, so I'd suggest trying to go down to 6 and seeing if it's any easier for you.
KittenMaster
Member
That was a good GR+P run. My setup made the game feel much more like Dwarven Moderation after the initial survival stage. Got 74.036 points.
Again, it's:
Vampirism - The center of this setup, and an attempt to make Vampirism suck even more (see what I did there?)
Dual-Wielding - To allow double equipping of axes + staves both.
Axes - Just because. Can be Swords or Maces too.
Staves - To benefit from the magic boosting effects for draining HP while Dual-wielding still allows for serious warrior weapons.
Golemancy - Spells compliment Melee well and allows vampire to eat his own pet. Swarm spell is amazing in this line.
Psionics - Healing spell solves Vampire's problems completely when no enemies are around.
Assassin - To OHKO enemies.
This build will probably be much weaker in the next patch once Haywire gets removed from Vampirism.
Again, it's:
Vampirism - The center of this setup, and an attempt to make Vampirism suck even more (see what I did there?)
Dual-Wielding - To allow double equipping of axes + staves both.
Axes - Just because. Can be Swords or Maces too.
Staves - To benefit from the magic boosting effects for draining HP while Dual-wielding still allows for serious warrior weapons.
Golemancy - Spells compliment Melee well and allows vampire to eat his own pet. Swarm spell is amazing in this line.
Psionics - Healing spell solves Vampire's problems completely when no enemies are around.
Assassin - To OHKO enemies.
This build will probably be much weaker in the next patch once Haywire gets removed from Vampirism.
Conciliator
Banned
Crashed on Floor 4 Happened when I was attaking a blobby. Not sure of any other special circumstances. I really hope they get this stuff worked out...crashing is pretty much a deal breaker in a roguelike.
Happened when I was attaking a blobby. Not sure of any other special circumstances. I really hope they get this stuff worked out...crashing is pretty much a deal breaker in a roguelike.Berksy said:That is the build i sent
Haven't tried but my main strategy would be equipping 2 mage shields and pumping up unarmed with vampirism. And burglary-tinkering combo to lock-pick and then close gates, putting down traps etc. Still, a hard opening awaits, i guess.
That's exactly what I was doing and thinking, so I thought it looked extremely promising at first, too. But like you said, it's a very hard opening. I got lucky and managed to find a cracked orb at the entrance in my second game and took full advantage of being able to open and close everything + utilized traps, but it still wasn't enough.
I think Tinkering needs to be buffed somehow in future patches. I don't think it's very viable alone without Smithing or Alchemy, IMO. As far as traps go, the output you get for the ingredients needed is ass, even if you pick up every trap you see. The skill set I submitted
And speaking of Tinkering and crafting, does anyone know if it's possible to craft black powder?
KittenMaster
Member
The trick to GR early game I find is to abuse traps on the floor to kill grounded enemies. You have to use personal resources to kill battys safely though.
I think Alchemy can.
Houston3000
Member
jayTOH said:
Yep, it's Alchemy.KittenMaster said:
Brimstone + Saltpeter (or it might be chalk) + Coal
You can kill the bats using the dart traps. If the bats are on the line of fire of the dart shooter when you step on the trap, the dart will hit them. Considering that their movement pattern is pretty predictable it's not that hard to use this to your advantage.KittenMaster said:
I am still on my second round. I am around the middle of level 4 having just cleared the Monster Zoo. I'm goind very slowly because my luck with equipment has been abysmal. My highest damaging sword does 10 damage, the other does only 5, which is ridicolous at this stage.