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[SLoco]

You guys took guy from video way to serious,he was only trying to go viral and it worked,video hit like 20 milion views in day.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

You guys took guy from video way to serious,he was only trying to go viral and it worked,video hit like 20 milion views in day.

To be fair his videos are consistently well watched. I think his stuff's very good. Counter says 2m not 20 though.

 

[gaming_again]

Still reeling from one option on a menu 8 hours later? What a crybaby. I bet he tells people that want to be represented in this tiny way that they're being unreasonable.



Nah, it's not just something you see on twitter. I see it in email signatures quite often now. It affects my life not one jot. It is just pronouns. If someone you care about ever comes out as trans, it might take you a little while to adjust to the idea, but they're still the person you cared about, and presumably you'd be able to handle substituting a word if they asked to be called "They" instead of "She."
I'm glad that Bethesda made this TINY gesture to make their game slightly more enjoyable for people who are often overlooked and if people think one option of a thousand on a menu shatters their immersion, well, tough because this is going to be the default pretty soon. If your sense of immersion is so fragile, wait until you see that there's a pause screen, that you can die and be resurrected, reload to a moment earlier in your life, or eat an apple without chewing, the game will be ruined.

At its most sinister it’s a dangerous political ideology and it’s most naïve a load of attention-seeking bollocks. If somebody I knew decided to start demanding I call them ‘they’ instead of a singular pronoun I’d cease to be friends with them.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

At its most sinister it’s a dangerous political ideology and it’s most naïve a load of attention-seeking bollocks. If somebody I knew decided to start demanding I call them ‘they’ instead of a singular pronoun I’d cease to be friends with them.

Shame.

 

[DareDaniel]

Nah, it's not just something you see on twitter. I see it in email signatures quite often now. It affects my life not one jot. It is just pronouns. If someone you care about ever comes out as trans, it might take you a little while to adjust to the idea, but they're still the person you cared about, and presumably you'd be able to handle substituting a word if they asked to be called "They" instead of "She."
I'm glad that Bethesda made this TINY gesture to make their game slightly more enjoyable for people who are often overlooked and if people think one option of a thousand on a menu shatters their immersion, well, tough because this is going to be the default pretty soon. If your sense of immersion is so fragile, wait until you see that there's a pause screen, that you can die and be resurrected, reload to a moment earlier in your life, or eat an apple without chewing, the game will be ruined.

Most people in the world are not even aware of this new concept of infinite pronouns to even think about putting such nonsense in their working email signatures.
It might not affect your life but that is how many detransitioners fell into the gender ideology rabbit hole. That is why biological men are smashing records in women sports. Etc etc.
Is cat a gender? Is helicopter a gender? How many genders there are?
Them/them pronouns don't even exist in my language. I don't give a shit about my colleagues' gender, we all work under the same goal despite our differences.
All those things don't remind me of twitter.

 

[March Climber]

"It's just pronouns" is an argument that doesn't work either, it shuts down any conversation. You give an inch to the woke mob and in Elder Scrolls VI you'll be given options to bark and meow.

…how would that change your own personal experience if you never select the option?

I think actually Saints Row 3 or 4 or some other game with humor, had an option where your character would speak like an idiot the entire game if you selected it. Would you be the type of guy who picked that option and then got mad at THQ Nordic like they forced your hand to feel idiotic or something?

The reason it’s perceived as more annoying in real life is because the people who care will correct you and attempt to steer you to say what they perceive as the correct thing to say.

In a video game, that awkwardness and annoyance doesn’t exist, because once you choose your initial option the game just changes a singular thing and moves on. There would be no need to spend tons of development resources creating scenarios where you are constantly corrected in an RPG because you said ‘her’ instead of ‘him’. That’s a complete waste of money.

In terms of video games, this is literally a boogeyman case.

 

[AJUMP23]

I like that the game says my name. 10/10.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Ehhh, as for the guy in the intro, this is one of those cases like "Christians are freaking out about Starbucks Christmas cups." By which I mean: it's a bit manufactured. The Starbucks bit was one random pastor who was seeking controversy and engagement, and actual Christians rolled their eyes at Starbucks but didn't care to create videos or generate hits over it.

Here as well, I agree "in principle" with the guy that pronouns in games are political insertion that signals everything I need to know about the developers. I will never pay money to the companies who do this, it's a simple principle and easy to follow given how many games there are still left to play.

But screaming in that histrionic, intentionally exaggerated manner on youtube is clearly fishing for interaction and views, and that's the absolute worst. So I hate that guy on principle about as much as we both hate the pronoun bullshit. But like the Starbucks cup, his video would have disappeared into the aether in minutes, if it didn't fit the agenda of the other side to try and find this kind of thing to make the absurd argument, "see, anyone who opposes the new HR-speak is crazy." F- off with that.

 

[BattleScar]

You give an inch to the woke mob and in Elder Scrolls VI you'll be given options to bark and meow.

What the hell does this mean? Pronouns are so innocuous it doesn't even fucking matter.

Also did you forget that you could literally play a cat-person in Skyrim? Oh no, someone playing a Khajit might want to meow, woe betide me - the world is ending!

 

[JackMcGunns]

lol.....that was hilarious. 6:54 was my favorite part

Same

 

[Drizzlehell]

I hate this guy. He's the kind of youtuber who makes the gaming community such a toxic cesspool.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I hate this guy. He's the kind of youtuber who makes the gaming community such a toxic cesspool.

 

[Drizzlehell]

Maybe I'm missing something about him that appeals to his fans, but every time I watched one of his videos about a brand new game, it was basically a highlight reel of some funny moments and him claiming that the game is trash because of bugs or whatever (which is often very misrepresentative of an actual experience for an average person), and the only time I ever saw him being remotely positive about something is if it was some 20 year old game that he played as a kid. Combined with the comments sections under his videos, it feels like a one big circle jerk that's committed to making fun of any new video game just because it's new.

Also, that fucking voice...

 

[StueyDuck]

Look the pronouns thing is pandering cringe. But that babyboy face or whatever his name is looked like a proper chop.

Getting ridiculous and emotional is exactly what he says the people in opposition do, so acting hypocritical isn't going to create any meaningful discussion is it.

 

[StueyDuck]

Maybe I'm missing something about him that appeals to his fans, but every time I watched one of his videos about a brand new game, it was basically a highlight reel of some funny moments and him claiming that the game is trash because of bugs or whatever (which is often very misrepresentative of an actual experience for an average person), and the only time I ever saw him being remotely positive about something is if it was some 20 year old game that he played as a kid. Combined with the comments sections under his videos, it feels like a one big circle jerk that's committed to making fun of any new video game just because it's new.

Also, that fucking voice...

He's a game publisher now so It's possible he's taking a different approach to game reviewing than he previously did

 

[SmokedMeat]

You give an inch to the woke mob and in Elder Scrolls VI you'll be given options to bark and meow.

It would make more sense for the Khajiit to meow.

 

[darrylgorn]

More pronounce guy please.

 

[Raven117]

Maybe I'm missing something about him that appeals to his fans, but every time I watched one of his videos about a brand new game, it was basically a highlight reel of some funny moments and him claiming that the game is trash because of bugs or whatever (which is often very misrepresentative of an actual experience for an average person), and the only time I ever saw him being remotely positive about something is if it was some 20 year old game that he played as a kid. Combined with the comments sections under his videos, it feels like a one big circle jerk that's committed to making fun of any new video game just because it's new.

Also, that fucking voice...

Umm, that’s the schtic

 

[KaiserBecks]

I give this review two thumbs up, because I love Parappa the Rapper.

 

[Drizzlehell]

Umm, that’s the schtic

Yeah, I get it but there's something awful cynical about this whole persona.

 

[Raven117]

Yeah, I get it but there's something awful cynical about this whole persona.

Meh, he clearly is joking around. People can tell jokes. You just don’t seem to find this funny. (It’s hit or miss for me)

 

[DeepEnigma]

Maybe I'm missing something about him that appeals to his fans, but every time I watched one of his videos about a brand new game, it was basically a highlight reel of some funny moments and him claiming that the game is trash because of bugs or whatever (which is often very misrepresentative of an actual experience for an average person), and the only time I ever saw him being remotely positive about something is if it was some 20 year old game that he played as a kid. Combined with the comments sections under his videos, it feels like a one big circle jerk that's committed to making fun of any new video game just because it's new.

Also, that fucking voice...

There's nothing toxic about what he does. He's satire.

I find platform makers, pubs, and devs far more toxic with their constant gaslighting of their communities and fanbases.

 

[DareDaniel]

…how would that change your own personal experience if you never select the option?

I think actually Saints Row 3 or 4 or some other game with humor, had an option where your character would speak like an idiot the entire game if you selected it. Would you be the type of guy who picked that option and then got mad at THQ Nordic like they forced your hand to feel idiotic or something?

The reason it’s perceived as more annoying in real life is because the people who care will correct you and attempt to steer you to say what they perceive as the correct thing to say.

In a video game, that awkwardness and annoyance doesn’t exist, because once you choose your initial option the game just changes a singular thing and moves on. There would be no need to spend tons of development resources creating scenarios where you are constantly corrected in an RPG because you said ‘her’ instead of ‘him’. That’s a complete waste of money.

In terms of video games, this is literally a boogeyman case.

If a game is trying to pander to a certain audience just to go after whatever the current snowflake trend is, yes it can break my immersion.
You are missing my point with those Saints Row examples.
The character creator could simply show male, female or even unknown next to the character's name. It's not innocent that they chose to put pronouns instead, most people will not even give a shit about it, but nothing wrong in calling out the game for pandering to a fraction of his audience. Sure it's just for 3 seconds but that's enough to spread the woke virus.

What the hell does this mean? Pronouns are so innocuous it doesn't even fucking matter.

Also did you forget that you could literally play a cat-person in Skyrim? Oh no, someone playing a Khajit might want to meow, woe betide me - the world is ending!

According to many detransitioners, pronouns were their entrance ticket to the gender ideology rabbit hole.
You didn't get my point. Read this first: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/19/school-children-identifying-as-animals-furries/
Now it's just pronouns but in 10 years the next big thing could be what animal you identify as and you might have to pick one in a job interview. The fact that elder scrolls is a fantasy game has nothing to do with my point.

 

[nowhat]

Sure it's just for 3 seconds but that's enough to spread the woke virus.

How do I protect myself from the woke virus? Is it airborne, are social distancing rules required? Is there a vaccine?

...or maybe those few seconds in character creation are just really inconsequential unless you want to get worked up over culture wars. Remind me again, which were the snowflakes?

 

[March Climber]

If a game is trying to pander to a certain audience just to go after whatever the current snowflake trend is, yes it can break my immersion.
You are missing my point with those Saints Row examples.
The character creator could simply show male, female or even unknown next to the character's name. It's not innocent that they chose to put pronouns instead, most people will not even give a shit about it, but nothing wrong in calling out the game for pandering to a fraction of his audience. Sure it's just for 3 seconds but that's enough to spread the woke virus.

Serious question for you: What do you think will happen once video games, as a whole, normalizes the selection of multiple genders in video games? I need to understand how you picture this potential future and what you picture the bad outcome to be, so that I can attempt to have a real conversation with you. And if you decide to answer, please, keep this only to video games if you can.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

He's one of those grifting dudes that constantly shits on Disney, the MCU and Star Wars. And yes, all of those mostly suck or are mediocre (today), but these dudes make a living off of constantly bashing it over and over again. Sometimes just feels like they get to the point of looking for the smallest things to get offended about.

Like, I don't give two shits about pronouns and think it's stupid personally, but I'd never risk an aneurysm or heart attack shouting about it in some rant. Just move on to literally anything else with your character and get on with the actual game.

That said, the glitches I've been seeing in this game are amazing and hilarious. Legit funny shit, all unintended. I kinda like all the jank for that reason alone.

I call it the Mauler Syndrome.

An eloquent (most of the time) and set personality with decent production values lulling you into thinking they're some kind of enlightened pedagogue only to realize after wading through hours of commentary, that the dude is just kind of building tunnels for his hot air to pass through because he's so fucking long winded.

A good 80% of the vocal fandom reconciles the fact that The Last Jedi was overdrawn, largely pointless, feeling-driven unconcerned with continuity that better served as a couple of episodes of old school Star Trek than it did as a main Star Wars title. That's sensible enough, if relative.

Then there's making an hour long apiece eight part series about how much it sucks, with shit like "Finn's inflection in the reading of this line runs contrary to his history of being raised in a Stormtrooper program, the emphasis should clearly be on Rey in the sentence, and not on Where is," like shit, dude. Make sure you don't trip and die on that neckbeard.

 

[DareDaniel]

How do I protect myself from the woke virus? Is it airborne, are social distancing rules required? Is there a vaccine?

...or maybe those few seconds in character creation are just really inconsequential unless you want to get worked up over culture wars. Remind me again, which were the snowflakes?

A single mosquito can kill you in 3 seconds. How do you protect yourself from it? You avoid it. Hope I could help!
You're also unintentionally getting into the culture war by complaining about those who complain.

Serious question for you: What do you think will happen once video games, as a whole, normalizes the selection of multiple genders in video games? I need to understand how you picture this potential future and what you picture the bad outcome to be, so that I can attempt to have a real conversation with you. And if you decide to answer, please, keep this only to video games if you can.

If multiple genders become a thing in games, I wouldn't want to play a game about a character who identifies as a dinosaur fighting a bad guy who identifies as the moon but first he needs to pick a weapon from the character who identifies as an helicopter.

 

[nowhat]

A single mosquito can kill you in 3 seconds

Reference please.

 

[DareDaniel]

Reference please.

Whatever makes you happy. I used chatgpt for reference.

can a mosquito spread a disease with a single bite?

"Yes, a mosquito can potentially spread a disease with a single bite if it is carrying a pathogen (such as a virus or parasite) responsible for the disease and if the conditions are right. Mosquitoes are vectors for many diseases, and their ability to transmit these diseases is a well-known mechanism. (...)"

how long does a mosquito bite take?

"A mosquito bite itself is a brief event that typically lasts for just a few seconds. (...)"

 

[Tomofdahook17]

Starfied? More like modfield.
My gamepass expires sep 13. Will play until that period, then hold out for mods on steam.
I hoped for epic bethesda game. Guess, it will be ES6. Bethesda are bad outside of fantasy medieval rpg.

But what are you getting in ES6 that you're not getting in this? I don't understand. It's just going to be this but Medieval.

The only difference I see is that the planets have random terrain generation.

From the quests and jobs I've done, they are fantastic, classic Bethesda in terms of writing and being interesting.

 

[nowhat]

"Yes, a mosquito can potentially spread a disease with a single bite if it is carrying a pathogen (such as a virus or parasite) responsible for the disease and if the conditions are right. Mosquitoes are vectors for many diseases, and their ability to transmit these diseases is a well-known mechanism. (...)"

Yes. And do those pathogens kill you in three seconds? No. Malaria is treatable with proper medication (and is not that lethal). Diseases like ebola or HIV are not transmitted via mosquitoes (and when it comes to the latter, with modern medication you can live a pretty normal life).

 

[feynoob]

But what are you getting in ES6 that you're not getting in this? I don't understand. It's just going to be this but Medieval.

The only difference I see is that the planets have random terrain generation.

From the quests and jobs I've done, they are fantastic, classic Bethesda in terms of writing and being interesting.

The difference is that ES6 would be 1 map, instead of several divided cells.
The issue with starfield is that engine cant accommodate all these spaces, hence why you see alot of loading screen.

 

[Tomofdahook17]

The difference is that ES6 would be 1 map, instead of several divided cells.
The issue with starfield is that engine cant accommodate all these spaces, hence why you see alot of loading screen.

Right, the loading screens are the biggest set back for this game, I agree with that.

But other than that, I meant what about the actaul gameplay, writing, quests, etc, is going to be any better or different?

If you just play the quests in Starfield and ignore the mostly optional random planet generation, it essentially plays like ES or Fallout.

I spent like 4 hours in New Atlas alone one night. It literally felt like Fallout.

 

[March Climber]

If multiple genders become a thing in games, I wouldn't want to play a game about a character who identifies as a dinosaur fighting a bad guy who identifies as the moon but first he needs to pick a weapon from the character who identifies as a helicopter.

What you've just described sounds more creative than a lot of ideas out there, especially if the characters in question attempt to act out what they identify as, or better yet, announce their special moves using the identifier(example: someone shouting "Moon blade!" and doing special circular blade motion or doing a dinosaur-style roar to give an intimidation debuff).

However, even if the special move thing weren't the case, what incentive would the creator of the game have to make any character constantly point out their own identifier to when addressed and when fighting the character?

Edit: Actually, the only time I've ever seen any type of constant identification is in Japanese games, usually of the anime variety, where they will constantly state -kun or -san after a name as a constant identifier of gender. However, no one in the west will claim this is 'woke' culture because it has been ingrained in Japanese culture for generations.

Also, what applicable negatives will your examples have on actual gameplay?

 

[feynoob]

Right, the loading screens are the biggest set back for this game, I agree with that.

But other than that, I meant what about the actaul gameplay, writing, quests, etc, is going to be any better or different?

If you just play the quests in Starfield and ignore the mostly optional random planet generation, it essentially plays like ES or Fallout.

I spent like 4 hours in New Atlas alone one night. It literally felt like Fallout.

Bethesda usually do good with fantasy rpg.
Marrowind, oblivion, and Skyrim.
They are bad with fallout and starfield as those are grounded.
With fantasy, you can create all type of quest and you aren't grounded with reality.

 

[Wildebeest]

Bethesda usually do good with fantasy rpg.
Marrowind, oblivion, and Skyrim.
They are bad with fallout and starfield as those are grounded.
With fantasy, you can create all type of quest and you aren't grounded with reality.

Why do you think with each elder scrolls they went more "grounded" and why they haven't touched elder scrolls for well over a decade? Why is a franchise known for black comedy and crazy comic book plots like Fallout having a literal "more serious than cancer but also cancer" main plot?

 

[Tomofdahook17]

That's subjective really. I'd say anyone writing a fantasy plot would obviously have more leeway to make something creative and unique.

But for example, other than the main quest in Fallout 4 I had no real problems with the side quests.

 

[Wildebeest]

That's subjective really. I'd say anyone writing a fantasy plot would obviously have more leeway to make something creative and unique.

But for example, other than the main quest in Fallout 4 I had no real problems with the side quests.

With science fiction, you can do literally anything and have it work. The real heavy lifting is to keep a consistent universe that ring fences and highlights what is really creative and unique to the setting. To stop it drifting away into a generic mush made from a pastiche of popular films and TV shows. Something that BGS totally failed to do with Fallout.

 

[saintjules]

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[March Climber]

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You're too late

 

[feynoob]

Why do you think with each elder scrolls they went more "grounded" and why they haven't touched elder scrolls for well over a decade? Why is a franchise known for black comedy and crazy comic book plots like Fallout having a literal "more serious than cancer but also cancer" main plot?

Because one has magic and dragon, while the other is mutation of a virus.
As for not touching the elder scrolls, they are like rockstars.
Rockstar is going to release GTA6 after 10+ years.
Both companies can only work on 1 franchise at a time, considering how big games are these days.
If Bethesda hadn't done starfield, we would have tes6 by now.
Same with Rockstar (RD2).

 

[ReBurn]

Because one has magic and dragon, while the other is mutation of a virus.
As for not touching the elder scrolls, they are like rockstars.
Rockstar is going to release GTA6 after 10+ years.
Both companies can only work on 1 franchise at a time, considering how big games are these days.
If Bethesda hadn't done starfield, we would have tes6 by now.
Same with Rockstar (RD2).

Isn't Starfield the third game Bethesda has released this year? Or are you talking about something else?

 

[DareDaniel]

What you've just described sounds more creative than a lot of ideas out there, especially if the characters in question attempt to act out what they identify as, or better yet, announce their special moves using the identifier(example: someone shouting "Moon blade!" and doing special circular blade motion or doing a dinosaur-style roar to give an intimidation debuff).

However, even if the special move thing weren't the case, what incentive would the creator of the game have to make any character constantly point out their own identifier to when addressed and when fighting the character?

Edit: Actually, the only time I've ever seen any type of constant identification is in Japanese games, usually of the anime variety, where they will constantly state -kun or -san after a name as a constant identifier of gender. However, no one in the west will claim this is 'woke' culture because it has been ingrained in Japanese culture for generations.

Also, what applicable negatives will your examples have on actual gameplay?

Mental gymnastics.
That isn't even the purpose of those words. If you introduce yourself to a japanese person and you tell them what your name is followed by kun/chan they'll just laugh at you.

 

[Toots]

I used to like dunkey's antics moderately, but then i saw his face and started to hate him with passion !

 

[GymWolf]

Serious question for you: What do you think will happen once video games, as a whole, normalizes the selection of multiple genders in video games? I need to understand how you picture this potential future and what you picture the bad outcome to be, so that I can attempt to have a real conversation with you. And if you decide to answer, please, keep this only to video games if you can.

Hopefully the planet is gonna catch a second wind of mental sanity before pronouns become the norm.

Fake dicks crossed.

 

[Filben]

The video is great!

But that first dude... man. Imagine getting this mad over pronouns. Annoyance, I could understand maybe. But damn, you guys wanna die early or what? Seeing this guy's latent tendency for obesity and anger he probably dies in his late 50s. This shit is killing you either by heart attack or ass cancer. Chill guys and you'll live longer. Can't keep getting worked up over shit.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

Hopefully the planet is gonna catch a second wind of mental sanity before pronouns become the norm.

Fake dicks crossed.

I think it’s hilarious people are complaining about “pronouns” now. I take it that the target is unconventional pronouns like they/them, or masculine presenting people identifying as she/her etc, but people are just saying “pronouns” It sounds like people are upset about basic English grammar.

You know what grinds my gears? Fucking adverbs, are they claiming to identify as both adjectives and verbs? Adjectives can’t just decide to be verbs, that’s basic lexicology. Bunch of mentally ill parts of speech, pick a lane.

 

[Elysium44]

I think it’s hilarious people are complaining about “pronouns” now. I take it that the target is unconventional pronouns like they/them, or masculine presenting people identifying as she/her etc, but people are just saying “pronouns” It sounds like people are upset about basic English grammar.

You know what grinds my gears? Fucking adverbs, are they claiming to identify as both adjectives and verbs? Adjectives can’t just decide to be verbs, that’s basic lexicology. Bunch of mentally ill parts of speech, pick a lane.

You're taking it too literally, it's obvious what people mean when they complain about pronouns nowadays.

'Pronouns' in the context people complain about is a modern cultural issue where we're expected to call someone who is, for example, obviously a man, 'she' because they tell you to. Most people of course think that's ridiculous.

 

[DareDaniel]

You're taking it too literally, it's obvious what people mean when they complain about pronouns nowadays.

'Pronouns' in the context people complain about is a modern cultural issue where we're expected to call someone who is, for example, obviously a man, 'she' because they tell you to. Most people of course think that's ridiculous.

Exactly. People complaining about pronouns are complaining about the all nonsense that comes along it, such as infinite pronouns/ infinite genders.

Btw, if the pronouns are sooooo irrelevant why is nexus banning mods that remove them from the game?

 

[hyperbertha]

Is it out of context? Giant baby seems so attacked by the idea that someone might want to select their pronouns that he's shouting "PRONOUNS!!" into a camera broadcasting tot he internet.


No need to defend that.

He's playing to his audience. And you guys wonder how he has 350k subs . Being ridiculous entertains many people. It's angry joe's whole thing.