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Dynasty Warriors 7 |OT| - GODDAMIT NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN!
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robotzombie
Member
Attack You said:
I absolutely hated the slowness and crappy gameplay of SW3 so bad I actually returned it and I am completely loving the shit out of DW7
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
15fps in heavy action was pretty much the standard for this game (I used to pretend this was a "feature", slow-mo action and all!) so if it actually holds at 30fps isn't that a step-up?
Game is awesome, played like 10 hours today online with a buddy just doing Conquest Mode.
Kiryogi, how did you find your game time? I couldn't find it anywhere.
Also riding a Bear into battle is hilarious. It's fairly useless for actual battle, but it's goddamn hilarious. I really want to get the Panda Bear, since according to the battle it will heal you as well as fight along side you!
Kiryogi, how did you find your game time? I couldn't find it anywhere.
Also riding a Bear into battle is hilarious. It's fairly useless for actual battle, but it's goddamn hilarious. I really want to get the Panda Bear, since according to the battle it will heal you as well as fight along side you!
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
So is Dynasty Warriors like the CoD of Asia?
Kudos on OP review section, DW is also some good fun, especially in Co-op.
Kudos on OP review section, DW is also some good fun, especially in Co-op.
pancakesandsex
Member
I am really upset at the framerate.
Also why is there no install?
Also why is there no install?
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Even with the framerate I'm still playing the crap out of this game.
Finished Wei's campaign, did a bunch of Conquest mode, awesome stuff.
Finished Wei's campaign, did a bunch of Conquest mode, awesome stuff.
Attack You
Member
What's the install size come out to? I'm always treading on dangerously low space on my PS3's HDD.
pancakesandsex
Member
Mithel said:
That's the standard objective complete cheer.... Also importers owned.
I've been playing the Wu story since yesterday and my god this is awesome. Story mode is what i've wanted in dynasty warriors for the longest and never realized it. I thought not being able to choose characters would blow but it's actually pretty cool. 10000x times better than dynasty warriors 6.
Girl wants to buy it but I'm peeved that Wei drew the short straw.
Fuck it. She won't let me take DW6 back to retail either though she was no hard ass about me taking SW3 back after we smashed through it.
Fuck it. She won't let me take DW6 back to retail either though she was no hard ass about me taking SW3 back after we smashed through it.
That's all I'm showing her! I got a family to feed!!Kaizer said:
Haeleos
Member
Been playing it for a couple days now so I will give some first impressions.
Likes
- The Story Mode has a lot of great new ideas in it, and it seems like they really focused on that aspect of the game this time. The interwoven cutscenes, the character switching, and the narration and level introductions being done during the loading screens all help to present a clearer story than the single character "what if" campaigns of the past games. You get a much better concept of what the relationships between all the characters are and what their roles were in the story.
- The renbu system is completely gone. The combat system is very close to Samurai Warriors 2 style where you have launchers/stuns/AoE attacks depending on when you hit the Strong Attack in your combo. There are character/weapon dependent combos as well where each character seems to have a longer combo string with their iconic weapon. The weapon switching gives the combat a bit more variation as well.
- The graphics are the best they have ever been in a Warriors game. Haven't had problems with the framerate, especially compared to past games. While you can certainly notice drops, it never goes to a level where they have to attempt to mask it as some kind of slow mo effect. Also the alternate costumes are just as detailed as the originals, and there is a lot of variation between them.
Dislikes
- Weapon switching would have been a great system if the "Compatibility" system didn't go against everything it is trying to accomplish. Also, characters have special combo finishers that are only available with their iconic weapon, which is another system in place to dissuade you from choosing a different primary weapon. The game tries to simply penalize you because you want to pick a certain character/weapon combination. The seals that you unlock off of various weapons in DW7 seem to be in place to encourage you to use different weapons, but you can simply store them at a Blacksmith where they will level up on their own...
- Difficulty level is all over the place. On normal, after a couple hours and 6 levels conquered in Conquest Mode, I am having no problem killing almost any officer or named character with a single musou attack with most characters. On hard, it's the other way around: enemy health bars a mile long and they can musou you in one hit. There doesn't seem to be a good balanced difficulty level. (this is aside from the usual complaints for DW of regular enemies being absolutely nothing but fodder and officers not putting up a fight outside of being caught in one of their random musous)
- I'm a little disappointed in no story mode co-op. It doesn't really seem there is a good reason they couldn't have included it. The missions are much more varied in Story Mode than in Conquest Mode, and they could have just set the 2nd player to one of the other characters that are always around.
- Character roster, as always, is almost completely locked away. You can choose between two characters from each faction at the beginning of the game. I'd rather have more characters and had to unlock costumes, but it's a little easier to unlock them this time than past games.
Also, not really a complaint, but I wonder why they keep trying to look for a system to replace DW4's character progression system. I think the simple leveling system worked really well, and they still seem to be struggling with that aspect of the game, making it more convoluted than it is worth. DW7 seems to have a lot of systems that are at odds with each other... but it's a much, much better game than DW6 was so far.
Likes
- The Story Mode has a lot of great new ideas in it, and it seems like they really focused on that aspect of the game this time. The interwoven cutscenes, the character switching, and the narration and level introductions being done during the loading screens all help to present a clearer story than the single character "what if" campaigns of the past games. You get a much better concept of what the relationships between all the characters are and what their roles were in the story.
- The renbu system is completely gone. The combat system is very close to Samurai Warriors 2 style where you have launchers/stuns/AoE attacks depending on when you hit the Strong Attack in your combo. There are character/weapon dependent combos as well where each character seems to have a longer combo string with their iconic weapon. The weapon switching gives the combat a bit more variation as well.
- The graphics are the best they have ever been in a Warriors game. Haven't had problems with the framerate, especially compared to past games. While you can certainly notice drops, it never goes to a level where they have to attempt to mask it as some kind of slow mo effect. Also the alternate costumes are just as detailed as the originals, and there is a lot of variation between them.
Dislikes
- Weapon switching would have been a great system if the "Compatibility" system didn't go against everything it is trying to accomplish. Also, characters have special combo finishers that are only available with their iconic weapon, which is another system in place to dissuade you from choosing a different primary weapon. The game tries to simply penalize you because you want to pick a certain character/weapon combination. The seals that you unlock off of various weapons in DW7 seem to be in place to encourage you to use different weapons, but you can simply store them at a Blacksmith where they will level up on their own...
- Difficulty level is all over the place. On normal, after a couple hours and 6 levels conquered in Conquest Mode, I am having no problem killing almost any officer or named character with a single musou attack with most characters. On hard, it's the other way around: enemy health bars a mile long and they can musou you in one hit. There doesn't seem to be a good balanced difficulty level. (this is aside from the usual complaints for DW of regular enemies being absolutely nothing but fodder and officers not putting up a fight outside of being caught in one of their random musous)
- I'm a little disappointed in no story mode co-op. It doesn't really seem there is a good reason they couldn't have included it. The missions are much more varied in Story Mode than in Conquest Mode, and they could have just set the 2nd player to one of the other characters that are always around.
- Character roster, as always, is almost completely locked away. You can choose between two characters from each faction at the beginning of the game. I'd rather have more characters and had to unlock costumes, but it's a little easier to unlock them this time than past games.
Also, not really a complaint, but I wonder why they keep trying to look for a system to replace DW4's character progression system. I think the simple leveling system worked really well, and they still seem to be struggling with that aspect of the game, making it more convoluted than it is worth. DW7 seems to have a lot of systems that are at odds with each other... but it's a much, much better game than DW6 was so far.
Depends on the character, EX attacks aren't that big of a deal for me. Sun Quan's EX isn't that useful, for example, so I switched it for a weapon with longer reach. Clubs are terrible too IMO so I gave Huang Gai Spear with wind funnels and it's awesome.
Lian Shi's crossbow moveset is terrible in this game so I have no problem switching it with a better weapon.
I like the freedom to switch weapons around while characters still retains that shred of individuality from EX and Musou attacks.
Lian Shi's crossbow moveset is terrible in this game so I have no problem switching it with a better weapon.
I like the freedom to switch weapons around while characters still retains that shred of individuality from EX and Musou attacks.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Shadow780 said:
Some EX attacks are on the verge of being broken, though. Zhuge Liang's EX is so powerful and has such a wide AOE it's damn near ridiculous. Basically ensures I'll never use anything but the War Fan with him.
Attack You
Member
A couple of hours in, DW7 is already leaving a better impression on me than SW3-Wii and DW6. This is indeed the hotness.
Having to re-invite players after every battle in Conquest is a bit cumbersome. So, now I'm left wondering if I should buy this on 360 instead to utilize Party Chat between missions. PS3-GAF should consider setting up a text chat for DW7.
Having to re-invite players after every battle in Conquest is a bit cumbersome. So, now I'm left wondering if I should buy this on 360 instead to utilize Party Chat between missions. PS3-GAF should consider setting up a text chat for DW7.
pancakesandsex
Member
Brandon F said:
SW3 is a solid 30fps on wii. That's the sole issue with it.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
MoxManiac said:
Really? I mean the PS2 games would have crazy slowdown if you activated your special attack in a large crowd. It seriously lagged the game out.
What I was saying is that I would prefer a steady 30 fps under any circumstance versus 60 fps with huge system slowdown happening from time to time.
edit: Just started playing, this game is pretty awesome. I can definitely feel the upgrades that they've incorporated since DW6. It's pretty epic how you can fight a "phase" of a battle that previously used to be it's own map and then after viewing a very short cut scene it just opens up into the next phase! Conquest mode looks pretty robust as well. I'm really interested in seeing how they handle the "Jin" era stuff. It'll probably kinda sadden me since I'm such a Shu fanboy (like Koei).
Augemitbutter
Member
Shadow780 said:
uh oh, i might have to get this sooner than originally planned....
razgriz417
Member
sdornan said:
$49.99 at Kmart if you have one around
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
So I've put about 12 hours into this so far, and...I don't know. I guess I don't hate it. It's definitely a HUGE step up from DW6/DW6E. But it feels like for every good thing Koei did with DW7, they did something bad as well. I love the return of the Charge system, the greatly expanded Story Mode, and the return of several elements from DW4, which is my favorite in the series. However I feel like a lot of the changes were made at the expense of replayability. From what I've played of Conquest Mode so far (which, admittedly, isn't a whole lot), it just doesn't do for the replayability of the game what Free Mode and the freedom to select your character in Story Mode did in previous games.
The weapon and seal system also seems a bit mishandled. I played through Shu's Kingdom Mode first, then started Wu's. And now with Wu, I have all the ridiculously powerful weapons and seals I had acquired with Shu. So now I'm absolutely plowing through stages with no trouble at all with Sun Jian/Sun Quan due to having swords that are far stronger than the ones I SHOULD be using at that point, not to mention having seals like Attack Up +++ and Defense Up ++. I mean, I can do a single Musou and obliterate four officers at once. And while that does feel awesome, it also makes things disappointingly easy. Honestly I think I'm going to be sorta forced to play Wei's Kingdom Mode on Hard once I get around to it.
I also think that they should have made you earn Seals separately for each character. By the time I finished Shu's Kingdom Mode, I had Seals like Attack/Defense Up ++. Yet I DIDN'T have Attack/Defense Up +. But since I already have ++ (and +++, where Attack is concerned), what's my motivation, aside from a trophy, to get the less powerful ones? The Seal system, overall, is almost identical to Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2's Skill system. Certain mobile suits would give your pilot certain skills when used, which encouraged you to use multiple MS'. However, these skills didn't carry over to other pilots, so you'd have to get them again if you changed pilots, which I think did a lot to add to replayability.
Seals also sorta seem to have made your characters stats completely unimportant. It almost feels like, who cares if your character has a relatively low attack skill, or lower speed. Just throw an Attack Up +++ or Walking Speed Up seal on them and go to town. Or in the case of attack power, just give them a stupidly powerful weapon. It kinda makes the Attack/Defense Up items you get from fallen officers feel needless.
As for the whole "cloned characters" debate...honestly I don't mind it nearly as much as I thought I would. The unique Musou attacks and (mostly) unique EX attacks do a lot to differentiate the characters. And even though any character can use any weapon, I really haven't felt the need to use anything other than a character's EX weapon. Hell, I barely even use secondary weapons. I know you're sorta supposed to, to get the most out of the combat system, but really I haven't felt any need to. So far, things have been easy enough with just the main weapons. Maybe once I start playing on higher difficulty levels I'll take advantage of the system more often.
Then there's the online play. It's...not really that great, honestly. I played a few stages with dragonflys545 from GAF and there were HUGE sync issues. Simply put, what you see your partner doing on your screen is in NO WAY representative of what's actually happening. In several instances, I'd defeat an officer only to be told that dragonflys545 defeated him, even though on my screen, he was halfway down the field from where I was. I usually really hate the stigma that Japanese developers just can't implement online play well, but in this case it's unfortunately true.
Really, I'm a bit torn on how to feel about DW7. I'm honestly having great fun with Kingdom Mode. It's nice to see the story of the Three Kingdoms play out properly, instead of having things like Sun Jian being alive through the entire conflict happening. But once I finish all four Kingdom Modes and maybe go through Conquest Mode once, I don't know how often I'll come back to the game. Granted, clearing all four KM scenarios and unlocking the full map in CM is probably going to take quite a long time, but there's something to be said for just having the comfort of knowing that if I wanted to do something like take Xing Cai through Hulao and Sishui Gate, or play through Story Mode with a friend, I could. For the most part, I like what we got, but I greatly miss what we lost.
(Wow, that was really long. Guess I had a lot more to say about DW7 than I thought. :lol)
The weapon and seal system also seems a bit mishandled. I played through Shu's Kingdom Mode first, then started Wu's. And now with Wu, I have all the ridiculously powerful weapons and seals I had acquired with Shu. So now I'm absolutely plowing through stages with no trouble at all with Sun Jian/Sun Quan due to having swords that are far stronger than the ones I SHOULD be using at that point, not to mention having seals like Attack Up +++ and Defense Up ++. I mean, I can do a single Musou and obliterate four officers at once. And while that does feel awesome, it also makes things disappointingly easy. Honestly I think I'm going to be sorta forced to play Wei's Kingdom Mode on Hard once I get around to it.
I also think that they should have made you earn Seals separately for each character. By the time I finished Shu's Kingdom Mode, I had Seals like Attack/Defense Up ++. Yet I DIDN'T have Attack/Defense Up +. But since I already have ++ (and +++, where Attack is concerned), what's my motivation, aside from a trophy, to get the less powerful ones? The Seal system, overall, is almost identical to Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2's Skill system. Certain mobile suits would give your pilot certain skills when used, which encouraged you to use multiple MS'. However, these skills didn't carry over to other pilots, so you'd have to get them again if you changed pilots, which I think did a lot to add to replayability.
Seals also sorta seem to have made your characters stats completely unimportant. It almost feels like, who cares if your character has a relatively low attack skill, or lower speed. Just throw an Attack Up +++ or Walking Speed Up seal on them and go to town. Or in the case of attack power, just give them a stupidly powerful weapon. It kinda makes the Attack/Defense Up items you get from fallen officers feel needless.
As for the whole "cloned characters" debate...honestly I don't mind it nearly as much as I thought I would. The unique Musou attacks and (mostly) unique EX attacks do a lot to differentiate the characters. And even though any character can use any weapon, I really haven't felt the need to use anything other than a character's EX weapon. Hell, I barely even use secondary weapons. I know you're sorta supposed to, to get the most out of the combat system, but really I haven't felt any need to. So far, things have been easy enough with just the main weapons. Maybe once I start playing on higher difficulty levels I'll take advantage of the system more often.
Then there's the online play. It's...not really that great, honestly. I played a few stages with dragonflys545 from GAF and there were HUGE sync issues. Simply put, what you see your partner doing on your screen is in NO WAY representative of what's actually happening. In several instances, I'd defeat an officer only to be told that dragonflys545 defeated him, even though on my screen, he was halfway down the field from where I was. I usually really hate the stigma that Japanese developers just can't implement online play well, but in this case it's unfortunately true.
Really, I'm a bit torn on how to feel about DW7. I'm honestly having great fun with Kingdom Mode. It's nice to see the story of the Three Kingdoms play out properly, instead of having things like Sun Jian being alive through the entire conflict happening. But once I finish all four Kingdom Modes and maybe go through Conquest Mode once, I don't know how often I'll come back to the game. Granted, clearing all four KM scenarios and unlocking the full map in CM is probably going to take quite a long time, but there's something to be said for just having the comfort of knowing that if I wanted to do something like take Xing Cai through Hulao and Sishui Gate, or play through Story Mode with a friend, I could. For the most part, I like what we got, but I greatly miss what we lost.
(Wow, that was really long. Guess I had a lot more to say about DW7 than I thought. :lol)
AdawgDaFAB
Member
More DLC announced.
Free
BGM Pack 4
DW4 Outfits
Paid
武器追加セット「爆弾」 （100円）
武器追加セット「短戟」 （100円）
武器追加セット「狼牙棒」 （100円）
「黄巾」シナリオ（『真・三國無双』編） （200円）
「虎牢関」シナリオ（『真・三國無双』編） （200円）
オリジナルシナリオ「三江城」 （200円）
According to Google Translate
100 Yen Weapon DLC
"explosive Tan" (DW5 Huang Gai?)
Duanji (?)
Mace (DW6 Xiahou Dun?)
200 Yen Stage DLC
Yellow Turban Rebellion, Hu Lao Gate and "Sanjiang castle"
Free
BGM Pack 4
DW4 Outfits
Paid
武器追加セット「爆弾」 （100円）
武器追加セット「短戟」 （100円）
武器追加セット「狼牙棒」 （100円）
「黄巾」シナリオ（『真・三國無双』編） （200円）
「虎牢関」シナリオ（『真・三國無双』編） （200円）
オリジナルシナリオ「三江城」 （200円）
According to Google Translate
100 Yen Weapon DLC
"explosive Tan" (DW5 Huang Gai?)
Duanji (?)
Mace (DW6 Xiahou Dun?)
200 Yen Stage DLC
Yellow Turban Rebellion, Hu Lao Gate and "Sanjiang castle"
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
AdawgDaFAB said:
Hmm...wonder if this means they're going to eventually release all/most of the KM stages as CM stages. Still, VERY good news. Will buy the hell out of all the DLC.
AdawgDaFAB
Member
From what I've heard, those might be the YTR / HLG from DW2 ... O_O! Not sure if that is accurate or not.
Anyways
O__O Liu Bei gets his facial hair back in his DW5 DLC outfit!
Anyways
O__O Liu Bei gets his facial hair back in his DW5 DLC outfit!
AdawgDaFAB
Member
Haeleos said:
Conquest. They added a DLC Hex when the Dagger Axe / Scythe weapon was released with a battle to get the 7th weapon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5e01ORMnZI#t=5m00s
shaowebb
Member
Anyone notice how people hate dynasty warriors games until you replace the cast with a licensed list of characters or something?
Fist of the Northstar, Gundam...hell even Sengoku is a Dynasty Warriors clone that was originally released as Devil Kings over here in the states. Sure combos were bigger but the game was 9/10 the same.
Folks didn't give a shit about it until they were told Japan loved it under its original name and they started releasing more installments of it over here under that name.
Fickle brainwashed people need to just stop reading reviews and admit when they have fun with a game sometimes, because Dynasty Warriors is still fun.
Fist of the Northstar, Gundam...hell even Sengoku is a Dynasty Warriors clone that was originally released as Devil Kings over here in the states. Sure combos were bigger but the game was 9/10 the same.
Folks didn't give a shit about it until they were told Japan loved it under its original name and they started releasing more installments of it over here under that name.
Fickle brainwashed people need to just stop reading reviews and admit when they have fun with a game sometimes, because Dynasty Warriors is still fun.
Bay Maximus
Banned
Haven't played DW in quite a bit. Can you finally shoot arrows while riding a horse? Is the netcode any good?