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Easy Allies |EZOT2| Love & Respect
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LiquidSolid
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I have absolutely no clue who any of those baseball players are but I think comparing the two is a bit silly because 1. Baseball has a far longer history than videogames, so I'm guessing even with all the people already in it, there's still tons of players you could go back and comfortably induct and 2. the MLB Hall of Fame is presumably voted on by a shitload more than 9 (or 6) people, so any left field picks (like Don has for AC4) are drowned out.
I don't really think having a giant backlog of greats is a bad thing. Sure, Mario 3, OoT and FFVII will all get in there eventually but it's fun to see who picks them, what their argument is and whether the group votes for them that time. But I think we're taking this a bit too seriously, it's just a fun little idea Kyle came up with, not some big official thing.
I haven't watched Frame Trap yet (and might not till tomorrow, I want to start my RE7 Madhouse playthrough once I get home) but Persona 5, Mario Odyssey and Red Dead Redemption 2, son.
Besides, excluding Link Between Worlds (which by all accounts I've heard is an incredible Zelda game), what was the last Zelda that didn't have a post-release backlash anyway?
SweetJohnnyCage
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To be fair, the Hall of Fame was established in 1939 and they only JUST inducted Mike Piazza, who retired at the end of the 2007 season. He was eligible a few times since then. It happens.
Also, to correct Kyle, Pete Rose is NOT in the Baseball Hall of Fame. He's in the Cincinnati Reds Hall of Fame.
Scrotum Phillips
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Hah, i'm certainly taking it more seriously than it needs to be, i'll admit that.
Baseball has been around longer than videogames is true, but videogames have an insanely deep rich history as well. Plenty to draw from. The modern day baseball Hall of Fame (and most other sports Halls of Fame) mostly are inducting very recently eligible players or those that weren't shoe-ins. All of the old "greats" are already in. Also, I think Kyle mentioned this process was similar to how the NFL does their HoF(?), I'm not familiar with it being a Detroit Lions fan.
As to Don's vote, it was just nominated but didn't come close to getting in, which seems like the system worked if you didn't think it was a "great." Fun to get a different perspective, though.
I just think there's easily 12-18 games that are undeniably "great" and that means we're 2-3 years from getting into what I feel are the more interesting debates.
Scrotum Phillips
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That means they've roughly had 78ish classes then and they don't have a limit on the amount of players that can get in. I believe they need 75% of the vote to get in. While I'd like to think the Easy Allies Hall of Greats will one day be as prestigious as the baseball HoF, I think it would be smart to get the no-brain "greats" inducted and speed up the process.
While I believe Piazza should have been a 1st ballot Hall of Famer, he's certainly not one of the top 25 players in MLB history. Piazza deserves to be in the HoF, but being nominated against the Babe Ruth's and the Ken Griffey Jr's each ballot would mean he wouldn't get in for decades.
Goddamn, lol.
ALBW is definitely overrated, the way item system works in particular is totally broken. I think I liked Phantom Hourglass more. There you go.
The GOTY discussion in Frame Trap touched upon the subject of games only one of them is going to play. This is something that I brought up as a critique for their actual GOTY discussion last year. Not enough people had enough experience with variety of games. I really wish that all the games Ben listed and thought could be contenders, had atleast 2 of the allies playing those this year. Not only to give those games a chance, but also for better discussions. And I'd really like to see the crew to go bit out of their comfort zones regarding games, for example wasn't that holiday streaming by Damiani pretty much that? Playing likes of Doom and Uncharted, that aren't normally games he would be personally interested in.
ALBW is a fine game, its a bad Zelda game. The dungeons are so straightforward because they rely on a singular item, rather than the combination of items. It never builds on itself, which is a shame.
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Thats my opinion. I think Zelda's strength is when you get to use the items together to solve a puzzle. There is none of that in ALBW. The structure of the game prevents it.
I always know which item will solve the puzzle, the one used to open the dungeon.
Most Zeldas
Get an item > Learn to use it > Master it > Get a new item > Learn to use it > Learn to use it with other item > Master it > Etc.
ALBW:
Get an item > Learn to use it > Master it > Never use it again
They did it
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Very nice! I would just suggest that they zoom out a tiny bit and pan up some. I think it would look best if the torsos are in the center of the shot.
Much better, though!
I do agree it is much better when zelda use the items for more than just 1 puzzle, but dismissing all the other qualities of it just because of the item usage feels so wrong to me.
then, of course I didn't mean my post, it was just a joke, it's ok if you don't like it, I just absolutely love ALBW over a lot of other zeldas because of the creativity of it, of the world and how it just evolved more the 2D zelda style that was basically abandoned after the GBA
The overworld goes far beyond being a mere throwback to ALTTP, it becomes far too predictable, think The Force Awakens compared to A New Hope. You basically get all the items at once, so there's no progression and it costs just too little to rent them or buy them. You don't feel any pressure about dying and losing them.
The three main characters besides Link were interesting though, as was the wall mechanic. It's a great game, a good Zelda, but definitely not top tier.
Yeah, it just doesnt feel like an evolution. It feels like "lets try something different". Its still a very tight game with not a lot of filler, which I like, but I don't feel like it evolved. Evolution is more what I feel happened between Link's Awakening and Oracle, where oracle built off the groundwork layed by advancing the systems used. It feels like ALBW regresses that somewhat. You can tackle any dungeon at a certain point in the game, but because of that there's no skill progression, so dungeon 4 can't be more complicated than dungeon 8. Whereas looking at Dungeon one of any other Zelda game, and dungeon 5, there would be a massive difference.
TheCowboyPoet
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I would agree that Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass are the worst handheld Zeldas (and probably the worst Zelda games period) but A Link Between Worlds is a very close third. It's nowhere near as a great as Link's Awakening, Oracle Ages, Oracle Seasons, or even The Minish Cap. The item system sucks the fun out of dungeons.
Kyle killed it unceremoniously on a whim. Now it lies still and abandoned on the cold table, replaced by "goals".
AwesomeSauce
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Those handheld hd camcorders aren't going to cut it as their main production camera. It's kind of a sidegrade to even their really old Sony EX1.
They'll have to invest in something better, if y'all need some guidance on that let me know. I got some camera connections in Los Angeles.
A quality camera will totally increase their production values alone IMO.
L&R
They'll have to invest in something better, if y'all need some guidance on that let me know. I got some camera connections in Los Angeles.
A quality camera will totally increase their production values alone IMO.
L&R
What exactly did they get?
I dont get hyperbolic statements like this.
Nothing hyperbolic about that, it's not like i wrote it as a bait.
Simply if i make a list of my fav Zelda games, this one sits at the bottom because i hardly liked it.
And a massive disappointment because i expected something more (what, i don't really know) when they said they wanted to take a fresh spin on the LttP formula.
Has A Link Between Worlds finally reached the point in Zelda cycle, where it becomes popular to dislike the game (compared to the other Zelda games, at least)? It happened a lot faster for Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.
For what it's worth, I don't think ALBW is amazing, but I think it's really good. I think it's in the better half of TLoZ games. The main problem I had with it was the recycled/remixed overworld.
For what it's worth, I don't think ALBW is amazing, but I think it's really good. I think it's in the better half of TLoZ games. The main problem I had with it was the recycled/remixed overworld.
AwesomeSauce
MagsMoonshine
I'm not sure on the exact Panasonic model, but Ian held up the box on this week's group stream. It seems fine enough for streams though. They'll just need to adjust color settings on the camera.
------edit im being dumb
They need a dedicated tech person, because yeah, I agree.
The Zelda cycle is totally false.
Only Zelda game I ever changed my opinion about is Wind Waker, which went from good to great in my book: after many years I noticed how innovative it was in comparison to all that came after it.
In no particular order:
Tier 1 - OoT, MM, WW, ALttP, MC
Tier 2 - OoA, TP, ALBW, PH, FSA
Tier 3 - OoS, LA, SS, LoZ, AoL, FS
Haven't played Tri Force Heroes yet.
Read what he actually wrote. Of Zelda games he/she played. And even than it is not far of a reach to assume he means mainline handheld/console Zeldas.
Missed that, apologies.
Kyle's gotta be reading these posts like "what have I done", lol
i'm surprised that people rate mario bros 3 over mario world. the levels are shorter. theres not as many secrets. the design is a lot more linear. no cape. no yoshi. no secret paths and levels. cant replay levels as you complete them. story presentation is not as good. not to say 3 isnt a classic but mario world just seems to me to be superior is so many ways.
Already Torn
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Picked up the original TCG game on eshop thanks to fun game Monday. This is better than most mainline Pokemon games.
I really want more combat I'm tabletop and I agree Hubers stalling is starting to annoy me, starting to hope pomper gets killed off and he can just play a hogger like character.
Already Torn
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It's pretty true to the character. Imagine if you died, wouldn't you do anything you could to bring yourself back?
Ultimadrago
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As before, while I agree that Pomper certainly has Law-isms (always did, of course), it just makes Tabletop Escapades. I don't want his character to stop, but every now and again it comes to rattle in my head a bit. The inflection in some of his ridiculous responses alone are something I'd never trade away and are alone worth the price of admission.
On the Frame Trap, in the first 20+ minutes and hearing Jones describe his love for Horizon and also the restraint with which he approached his experience for the conclusive review is awesome. It doesn't sound like a game I'd really be into, but his reasoning makes me more interested and also ensures to me again how sound the review on a whole was. It's always refreshing to hear upon expanded thoughts like that.
On the Frame Trap, in the first 20+ minutes and hearing Jones describe his love for Horizon and also the restraint with which he approached his experience for the conclusive review is awesome. It doesn't sound like a game I'd really be into, but his reasoning makes me more interested and also ensures to me again how sound the review on a whole was. It's always refreshing to hear upon expanded thoughts like that.
Hobbestetrician
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I hated the GOTY talk about 'slots' for certain types of games. Nearly every outlet (sometimes subconsciously) does it this way but why can't you just list the 10 best games regardless?
And for all the talk of 'slots', they still ended up with a list of games that are pretty single player driven.
And for all the talk of 'slots', they still ended up with a list of games that are pretty single player driven.
Ultimadrago
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I started with the most recent series (Tabletop Escapades) and was fine. If you didn't want to start from Episode 1, there's a video summary here from the gang. I'd recommend watching/listening through it, however, to get the bulk of the humorous improv. It starts slow, but once interactions start ramping up it gets better.
Agreed. The bit where Pomper (spoilered just in case)
asked Darius if he wanted to wrestle for the ten thousand
BlackBuzzard
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It really is, how it got a 93 is beyond me, it is one of the worst Zelda games.
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