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[Duallusion]

Waiting a month or two is being "fucked"? Lol.

If it was between september and december, sure, no problem. But november or december vs. february? Holidays and days off work/school vs. some fucking february?! These months can feel ages apart, especially when people from other regions will be creaming over their new toys around here. First world problems etc.

 

[Salsa]

broadcasting bit is great

 

[Trogdor1123]

Will Gaikai give Playstation Plus members access to ALL PLAYSTATION GAMES EVER?

I highly doubt it...

 

[TGO]

Man, 2014 for Europe. Highly disappointing. Why do Europe and PAL regions always get screwed? This is unfair.

Cuz Sony will probably sell all stock for US & Japan in a day if they allocated it to Europe, Europe needs more consoles at launch
I bet MS will probably do a world-wide release with small supply, which helps them get a "sold out" head line
A lot of folks will go without, I'm sure Sony wants the numbers + sold out

 

[gofreak]

Will Gaikai give Playstation Plus members access to ALL PLAYSTATION GAMES EVER?

Nah. Cloud gaming will have to fall under some separate payment scheme/business model. $50/year to play any Playstation game ever, unlimited? Yeah...PS+ is good, but not that good

 

[NoctisXIII]

Well, we will see what will be announced that day.

All those rumors about Edge and everything... They must be happy with the buzz but this doesn't mean it's real.

Don't expect too much or you might be disapointed.

Just wait and see.

 

[luca1980]

Waiting a month or two is being "fucked"? Lol.

Waiting from years for everything.
Not once. Years. And everything

Can't wait to see if it has games.

This post nails it perfectly

 

[Krabardaf]

Yeah, but why the stacked DDR3 is only 1600Mt/s, eventhough it's GB/s figure is higher than GDDR5's?

Or does the bolded below answer that?

Yes it does, Stacked DDR3 could have a 1024bits bus, 4 times larger than the one i took for example, effectively quadrupling the bandwidth at the same frequency (transfers/s).

Simply put bandwidth /s = transfers/second * bus width.
There are other parameters to take into account (DDR or SDR notably) but it's basically that.

 

[i-Lo]

Homo-sapiens expecting 8GB GDDR5 are setting themselves up for a disappointment. 3.5B GDDR5 (for games) is great as it is. Add in newer and better techniques in streaming and you are all set for next gen.

 

[artist]

8 GB GDDR? Bwahahaha! Forums at it again : Constructing wild figures only to express disappointement and sorrow!
4 GB of that RAM would be a blessing.
Either the article is bogus; or Sony's been intent on using solwer RAM from the get-go; or it is to be understood that the rumor concerns the end results, not the capacity.
Otherwise, still not sold on the notion that Orbis is the more powerful of the two. I made a 100$ bet that Durango would come up on top...The way the author phrases his piece suggests that he doesn't know much about Durango (GPU from unknown source...lol!).

Are you still taking such bets?

 

[Krabardaf]

Yeah 8GB GDDR5 is not happening guys. It would most likely be useless before years anyway.

 

[JB1981]

Nah. Cloud gaming will have to fall under some separate payment scheme/business model. $50/year to play any Playstation game ever, unlimited? Yeah...PS+ is good, but not that good

Should be a validation process whereby the system is able to validate that you purchased the game after inserting the disc into the console. Purchased games should be free unlocks via Gakai. The Vudu movie service does this.

 

[TheLegendary]

8 GB gddr5? I have a hard time believing that. Would be amazingly awesome though if true.

Glad you're skeptical. If not, I wouldn't doubt if you'd believe a report that said Jay Cutler can play through an injury without crying and pouting on the sideline.

Ambiguous by Edge though...I wonder if that was on purpose. There's no way they have more than 4 GB GDDR5

 

[ii Stryker]

the first console platform to support the Oculus Rift wins my monies period.

 

[90TilInfinity]

The xbox is closer to the PS3 in europe than the PS3 is to the 360 in the US - MS could have done better in europe this time round to be sure, but to argue that they haven't made any gains at all from the xbox 1 days is facile.

Do you have any figures or is that an assumption? Genuine question. I'd be interested in seeing them.

 

[B.O.O.M]

Honestly the match the Durango Ram comment sounds more like the rumored 2GB to 4GB of GDDR5 RAM move from Sony. You don't need 8GB of GDDR5 to match the Durango RAM afaik

 

[lordfroakie]

I'm on board for Orbis next gen. Been with Sony since PS1, but skipped ps3. I hope the game prices are reasonible.

 

[Reiko]

Honestly the match the Durango Ram comment sounds more like the rumored 2GB to 4GB of GDDR5 RAM move from Sony. You don't need 8GB of GDDR5 to match the Durango RAM afaik

Yeah. Because it's slow as hell without ESRAM.

 

[Wynnebeck]

the first console platform to support the Oculus Rift wins my monies period.

Guess you'll be going with PC this gen.

 

[Number45]

I'm on board for Orbis next gen. Been with Sony since PS1, but skipped ps3. I hope the game prices are reasonible.

I can't see the prices coming down at all. Wonder if we'll have the usual bump that we get when a new console releases before prices normalise (I get the impression this is more of a UK thing)?

 

[Dark_AnNiaLatOr]

Guess you'll be going with PC this gen.

Console Platform.

 

[KillerMan91]

Do you have any figures or is that an assumption? Genuine question. I'd be interested in seeing them.

Well PS3 was launched one and half year later in EU so it really isn't that surprising. If you align the launches PS3 is probably more ahead of X360 in EU than X360 is ahead of PS3 in US.

 

[itsgreen]

the first console platform to support the Oculus Rift wins my monies period.

If PS3 is a benchmark it should'nt be a problem on PS4, knowing MS it's more the case of Oculus Rift supporting 720 rather than 720 supporting the Rift... (MS wants a few bucks to make it play nice with the console)

 

[mrklaw]

PS3 launched very expensive, and 18 months late in Europe. If PS4 is 3 months late (eg by Easter) and the same price it won't be the end of the world. MS will most likely still be supply constrained by then anyway

still want it this year though.

 

[TriGen]

absolutely and you'll be pleased to hear that it sounds like it will be a feature at the OS level on both orbis and durango.

this is something I've wanted for years, I'm still having trouble believing it's actually going to be a feature next gen and at an OS level no less.

That feature does sound great. You could theoretically record a whole walkthrough in 15 min episodes. Or even do an LP, if you were allowed to edit in your own audio later, on PC. Obvously the most common and simple use will be short highlights, but it potentially could go beyond that.

 

[FoxSpirit]

8 GB gddr5? I have a hard time believing that. Would be amazingly awesome though if true.

Does anyone have actual prices for the chips aside from "GDDR5 is expensive"??

 

[Wynnebeck]

Console Platform.

 

[itsgreen]

Does anyone have actual prices for the chips aside from "GDDR5 is expensive"??

I read in some Beyond3D post from mid last year that 1GB GDDR5 was 15$, But I have no clue myself...

 

[Pistolero]

I read somewhere that Sony wasn't trying to confront Microsoft on the hardware level. An insider apparently told some journalist that it wasn't their main concern, and that efforts have been made to ensure a smooth experience and a succesful launch.
My two cents : Sony is well aware that their machine isn't that competitive from a hardware pov. Consequently, them taking the initiative to reveal earlier is a great decision, imo.

 

[AgentP]

Does anyone have actual prices for the chips aside from "GDDR5 is expensive"??

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 OC 4GB GDDR5 $579 MSRP

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 OC 2GB GDDR5 $549 MSRP

So $30 retail for 2GB? Sounds low, but that is what I see.

Edit: So $15/GB like itsgreen said.

 

[Spongebob]

8GB GDDR5 = $599 USD

 

[pharmboy044]

Why even launch this in Japan? You gotta go where the market is and It's NA and EU.

Sony, don't make a mistake of not launching in EU until March 2014 because they won't be there to save your ass again.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Why even launch this in Japan? You gotta go where the market is and It's NA and EU.

Sony, don't make a mistake of not launching in EU until March 2014 because they won't be there to save your ass again.

People it's a FEW MONTHS. Good lord, if you really can't wait, import the shit. Holy fuck.

 

[ii Stryker]

This coming gen should be really interesting for Sony.

This will be the first console gen where they're not trying to push their hardware agenda and win a format war..

PS1~CD's
PS2~DVD
PS3~Bluray

PS4~Games and services(about time)

If they can design the controller to have offset analog sticks and implement cross game parties with chat, MS needs to be concerned.

 

[i-Lo]

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 OC 4GB GDDR5 $579 MSRP

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 OC 2GB GDDR5 $549 MSRP

So $30 retail for 2GB? Sounds low, but that is what I see.

Edit: So $15/GB like itsgreen said.

Here is an "old" chart. I am seeing the same price as you are. Keep in mind that the GDDR5 clock speed affects the price as well. Give that PS4 is alleged to have dropped their target from 192 to 176GB/sec (down clocked) I would align my guess with $15/GB and it may even be cheaper with contract of bulk purchase.

 

[IllumiNate]

Excitement...and a healthy dose of beer. But I intend on fulfilling my moral obligation, or, even better, getting the cash.
Honestly, it makes no sense to me that Microsoft could release something less powerful, even by a slight margin. Let's wait for both reveals then...

You mind upping the stakes? How about a $50 Giftcard to xbl or Psn?

 

[pharmboy044]

People it's a FEW MONTHS. Good lord, if you really can't wait, import the shit. Holy fuck.

That's not the point. It's how Sony perceives the region. Just because their a Japanese company that doesn't mean they have to launch in JP before EU.
The JP market has moved on from console gaming and Media Create/Famitsu numbers show it. They need to launch with their competitor. One sale of a competitors product could be one less sale of the next Playstation.

 

[Deuterium]

You know, I do not have a "dog in the fight", when it comes to the game platform. I own both a PS3 and a 360, and love them both.

I find it so very humorous that people here are rooting for one platform, at the expense of another. I find it even more humorous that many people are taking RUMORS and non-confirmed "Leaks" as gosphel.

At the end of the day, anyone who thinks the PS4 is going to be significantly more powerful then the next Xbox (of vice versa)...or that rumored paper specs will translate into improved graphics and gameplay...well, I feel they will be sorely dissapointed.

This next generation will be a re-boot of the current generation. Each platform will have it's niche, and each will feature games that highlight the capabilities of the particular system. I suspect that cross platform / 3rd party titles will look and play almost identically.

The biggest advantage will go to the manufacturer who puts out the best development tools, and makes it the easiest to code for.

 

[iceatcs]

I don't think the cost is the problem if 8GB GDDR5, the heat is the problem but Sony is really good at custom heatsink and fan. We will see if it is actually true then it will be crazy.

 

[shinra-bansho]

8GB GDDR5 seems a bit of a pipe dream. Maybe they're referring to stacking of DDR3 and trying to achieve the same bandwidth?

European delay sucks if true. It would probably be better to skip Japan considering there's no way the next XBOX is going to sell well there anyway.

My two cents : Sony is well aware that their machine isn't that competitive from a hardware pov.

Isn't competitive with XBOX3 hardware-wise? How exactly did you arrive at this conclusion given all the rumors indicating the opposite.

 

[Krabardaf]

Does anyone have actual prices for the chips aside from "GDDR5 is expensive"??

Common sense says it's more expansive than DDR3.

That said i just tried to find prices from resellers or memory producers, and i'm left with no clues. I think direct contact with the reseller is needed.

If anyone know, i'm interested.

Here is an "old" chart. I am seeing the same price as you are. Keep in mind that the GDDR5 clock speed affects the price as well. Give that PS4 is alleged to have dropped their target from 192 to 176GB/sec (down clocked) I would align my guess with $15/GB and it may even be cheaper with contract of bulk purchase.

Interesting, expected higher prices. However it's always in bulk when you need to buy something like that, so i don't think it could be much cheaper.
Only reseller I found with a little info frequently sold modules by thousands only.

 

[Moonstone]

The xbox is closer to the PS3 in europe than the PS3 is to the 360 in the US - MS could have done better in europe this time round to be sure, but to argue that they haven't made any gains at all from the xbox 1 days is facile.

True. But 3 months don't change anything. Dudebroistan will choose the xbox anyways. In mainland europe nothing will change. Ms won't have the media and cable provider deals there.
Sony will probably loose several 100k, for not launching in 2013. But those numbers don't really matter at all in the long run. They are not 1 year behind this time.
Christmas 2014 it will be the same situation as we have now.

Mainland europe is not as hardcore as the uk, most people won't buy at launch anyways. And those that do, are the hardcore people that buy any console. It sucks, but it really doesn't matter. Would be good for them to launch in 2013 especially for the uk. But a better coordinated and marketed launch in all of europe could be more beneficial than a hasty launch with problems.

Casual mainland europe will play GTA5 and Fifa 14 on ps3 at christmas, it doesn't need the ps4 then. Europe had very good software sales this year, fifa 13 sold 23% better than 12. Ps3 started to exist at christmas 2007, because of the pricing. Mainland europe is in general one year behind US/UK.

 

[artist]

Here is an "old" chart. I am seeing the same price as you are. Keep in mind that the GDDR5 clock speed affects the price as well. Give that PS4 is alleged to have dropped their target from 192 to 176GB/sec (down clocked) I would align my guess with $15/GB and it may even be cheaper with contract of bulk purchase.

Yeah, I posted this about a year back; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35749738&postcount=34

Given the volume, it should be much lower than $15/GB now.

 

[VIDEOGAMESYAY]

Sorry to be a ram nub but whats the difference between GDDR3 and 5? Why would it be so amazing? What do the GB's have to do with it if 8GB of each are different?

Go easy :3

well first off the rumors are that MS isn't using GDDR at all, but plain old DDR3 memory. the bandwidth there is usually around 12.8 GB/s. might vary by a few GB/s depending on frequency. this isn't the complete picture though, as rumors show the Xbox 3 with a pool of 32 MB embedded memory, which is capable of having an even higher bandwidth than GDDR5, but is obviously even more constrained WRT space.

GDDR5 has bandwidth ranging from 160 GB/s to 224 GB/s in recent incarnations. obviously much faster, and also much more expensive, explaining the differing amounts of RAM in each console.

to put it simply, PS4 appears to have a slight edge over X-Box 3 in performance.

 

[Kung Fu Grip]

This coming gen should be really interesting for Sony.

This will be the first console gen where they're not trying to push their hardware agenda and win a format war..

PS1~CD's
PS2~DVD
PS3~Bluray

PS4~Games and services(about time)

If they can design the controller to have offset analog sticks and implement cross game parties with chat, MS needs to be concerned.

4K.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

This coming gen should be really interesting for Sony.

This will be the first console gen where they're not trying to push their hardware agenda and win a format war..

PS1~CD's
PS2~DVD
PS3~Bluray

PS4~Games and services(about time)

If they can design the controller to have offset analog sticks and implement cross game parties with chat, MS needs to be concerned.

There was a format war against CDs in 1995? Don't think so.

 

[Zombie James]

This coming gen should be really interesting for Sony.

This will be the first console gen where they're not trying to push their hardware agenda and win a format war..

PS1~CD's
PS2~DVD
PS3~Bluray

PS4~Games and services(about time)

If they can design the controller to have offset analog sticks and implement cross game parties with chat, MS needs to be concerned.

Uh, there was no format war with CDs and the DVD battle ended before it even started, in 1996.

 

[Number45]

Yeah, they weren't trying to establish those formats - they did use the format (particularly for the PS2) to push sales though. PS4 I'm sure will support 4K output (which is covered by the most recent HDMI specifications I assume?) for movie playback.

 

[Zombie James]

Yeah, they weren't trying to establish those formats - they did use the format (particularly for the PS2) to push sales though. PS4 I'm sure will support 4K output (which is covered by the most recent HDMI specifications I assume?) for movie playback.

HDMI 2.0 will support 4K @ 60fps, releasing first half of this year.

 

[Krabardaf]

I think a new HDMI standard has yet to be released to enable 4K support @60hz or 3D. Current standard is only 4K 30hz, but I don't think it was ever used for that.
edit : beaten