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[jett]

I don't see the point of a tiny touchpad on the controller. What can that thing be used for?

Question why is the 8 GB of "GDDR" Sony has so mind blowing? Wouldn't 8 GB in and of itself be "holy shit"
But posters are acting as if the "GDDR" is the most important part.

I don't get it

GDDR5 is 10 times faster than the DDR3 memory reportedly used on Durango.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I wouldnt be so sure, uk is 360 land and i think people really are looking for a new next gen machine. Ms being the only one out in the most important holiday for europe could really swing it to them. Sony treating europe like shit once again isnt going to go down well.

Belgium is traditionally a Sony country and that remained this gen, but I know a lot of people who were very loyal to the brand got 360s because early adopters got invested in the achievement system, and word of mouth from those friends got them to buy the 360 first and so on. Launching first definitely gave them an edge and caused them to gain a lot of ground and mindshare.

 

[Clay Davis]

Next gen COD/FIFA being Durango only over Xmas would allow MS to entrench themselves before Sony fired a shot. It would be a poor decision to not launch WW.

Honestly it's better to launch WW and have shortages than not.

agreed. which is why I find his claims of sony catching up or not having to worry about microsoft launching first very odd.

he seems to think that people will just flock to the orbis, so long as the price isn't too high. puzzling.

 

[madmackem]

Doubt it. Europe will go all at once. Why would you break it up like that?
UK is hardly a growth market atm anyway; I think its fair to say the Durango pick ups will be light enough for Sony to launch only a few months later and pick up enough of their own.

I don't understand why all Europe would get a delay except the UK.



Its where MS made the most gains; rest of Europe has been desperately slim pickings for them.
UK is surely the place Sony can most increase marketshare.

Sony wont do shit in the uk if its delayed after a nextbox launch, they might aswell not bother in the uk. 360 has a pretty much lock on the uk mindshare, ive heard mums call games just playing on xbox like mums use to say playing on nintendo for anything games related. A delay here and a full holiday with a ms media blitz would kill them.

 

[Visualante2]

The analog sticks get in the way of using my thumbs to touch in that region. Potentially awful idea. I think rear touch would have been smarter.

 

[Beermeister]

Good. US/JP can be beta testers...

 

[Glorified G]

Next gen COD/FIFA being Durango only over Xmas would allow MS to entrench themselves before Sony fired a shot. It would be a poor decision to not launch WW.

Honestly it's better to launch WW and have shortages than not.

3 months is not going to determine 8-10 year generation. Launching early 2014 in Euro is fine especially since it's Sony's strongest territory.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

I would be happy with 4 more 512MB chips [6GB total], if the memory controller can handle them.

That's the other part, to increase the RAM it would require a new memory controller, it's too late for that. Adding a DDR3 memory controller and 2GB would be much cheaper.

 

[Globox_82]

I don't see the point of a tiny touchpad on the controller. What can that thing be used for?



GDDR5 is 10 times faster than the DDR3 memory reportedly used on Durango.

no it's 100!!! Lol 10 times

 

[EmperorLawlight]

How so, they have a wii u to fight in japan that seem doa and ms might as well not bother with japan so thats a market that they should pretty much own if they want it. Europe is up in the air, delaying it there is giving ms free pass to grab it, ms already owns the uk.

WiiU will pick up in Japan, especially after a price drop so it might not be as easy a win as you might think.

 

[quest]

Is that right?



That's because it doesn't have 8GB at the moment.

It is why else do you think MS spent a ton of money to R&D on the move units and go with ESRAM? Because they wanted 8gigs of ram and it would be much more expensive to use GDDR5.

 

[Vinci]

I don't see the point of a tiny touchpad on the controller. What can that thing be used for?

'Touchscreen like Wii U? Check.'

Basically all there is to it. Sounds too small to be worthwhile otherwise.

 

[onQ123]

Don't forget the rumor of 8GB or 16GB Devkits

http://www.vg247.com/2012/11/01/ps4_details_playstation_4/

 

[Zia]

What are you on about? Of course they are Edge rumours, they are reports published by Edge, on their own website.

...

They are news articles, reposted by Edge.

 

[90TilInfinity]

GDDR5 is 10 times faster than the DDR3 memory reportedly used on Durango.

I'm no tech whiz, but I don't believe it's "10 times faster", lol. 3 times faster was what they were saying iirc.

 

[dose]

A missed date, one that isn't wrong, and the last was actively discussed at one point, I believe.

The poster asked for reports that they got wrong. They reported a date that didn't happen, you think the WiiU isn't as powerful as a PS3/360? And the EA/Origin thing didn't happen either. Three rumours they reported on that didn't come true, which is what he asked for.

 

[popeutlal]

Can't wait, next gen...or the "next generation of graphics technology" (for the Wii u crowd) is loooooong overdue. And I'm glad Sony is leading the charge, I really do not want to pay for XBL.

 

[Sickboy007]

Didn't Europe get the superslim first?

Yes, we got the inferior superslim first.

 

[Kinyou]

If I understand correctly that share feature basically saves the last 15 minutes of your playtime right? Or do you have to press it then it will record the next 15 minutes?

It sounds like it would always be on "rec"

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Everything sounds good but that ram rumor has to be BS. The increase in cost alone makes me thing there is no way that is happening

 

[KageMaru]

Errr. probably yes.

Most useless feature ever?

How is the ability to snap screenshots or recorded video without a capture card the most useless feature ever? That's one of the best features these companies can include for gamers.

The Share feature is a good inclusion. Not sure it's enough, hopefully there's more clever OS-level features they have included in the thing. That said, launching later in Europe? Makes total sense. Why launch the thing in a country that loves your products, potentially giving an earlier release to your closest competitor, when you can launch first in a country that appears allergic to fucking consoles and hates your closest competitor?

I mean, logic.



Wait.

I think it makes perfect sense. Why give MS time alone in the US when that's their strongest market, and the strongest market in general? There's a very very good chance that the PS4 will sell better in Europe even if does launch late, so why be as concerned about a territory that you already have locked up?

 

[Sid]

3 months is not going to determine 8-10 year generation. Launching early 2014 in Euro is fine especially since it's Sony's strongest territory.

It's not fine but a sign of lazyness on Sony's part.

 

[Petrichor]

Everything sounds good but that ram rumor has to be BS. The increase in cost alone makes me thing there is no way that is happening

Seeing as the RAM rumor is obviously a fabrication what makes anyone think that the rest of the article is credible?

 

[Punkster_NY]

Importantly, we’ve learned that Sony has told developers that it is pushing for the final PS4 RAM to match up to Microsoft’s 8GB.

Please, please let this be true.

 

[sechsterangriff]

This thing better be region free! Or else.... I'll be mad.. and sad ;_;

 

[dose]

...
They are news articles, reposted by Edge.

Which is how rumours are usually reported. Fucking hell lol.

 

[Jackben]

Subbed maan. Fun to see damage control from people downplaying cool features before anything concrete is even out.

Color me optimistically enthused.

 

[Neo C.]

This thread seriously needs some tech savvy guys for real talk.

 

[Vinci]

I think it makes perfect sense. Why give MS time alone in the US when that's their strongest market, and the strongest market in general? There's a very very good chance that the PS4 will sell better in Europe even if does launch late, so why be as concerned about a territory that you already have locked up?

No, no. I'm all for them hitting the U.S. as early as possible. But going into Japan early seems idiotic. The country doesn't buy consoles, least of all one produced by Microsoft. There is no reason to want an early launch advantage in that country. Europe, on the other hand, is a market where an early launch would be helpful. I'm not saying necessary, I'm saying helpful - whereas it's outright useless in Japan.

 

[90TilInfinity]

I wonder if when in whatever replaces the XMB, you're using a cursor of some sort controlled by the touchpad on the DS4. Trying to think of other implementations going by that description.

 

[Zia]

Which is how rumours are usually reported. Fucking hell lol.

No wonder shit sites don't bother with attribution. People don't seem to comprehend what they're reading, or understand how information is passed around.

 

[pulsemyne]

That's the other part, to increase the RAM it would require a new memory controller, it's too late for that. Adding a DDR3 memory controller and 2GB would be much cheaper.

It would possibly include a redesign of the system motherboard and cooling as well. It's very unlikely to happen.
The most likely scenario that happened is that MS got wind of them using 4 gigs and just went and doubled it. DD3 is much cheaper and much more mass produced than GDDR.

 

[soundahfekz]

This is obviously not happening. If it's this easy for sony to change their RAM configuration this late in the development process - what makes people think Microsoft won't just add 4GB DDR5 to their current box to offset sony's advantage?

I just had a hype stroke but we all probably need to chill on the 8gb GDDR5. They probably mean that sony means for the 4gb of it to match up to the 8gb ddr3 microsoft has. that makes the most sense

Reading. Fundamental.

 

[Clay Davis]

Its where MS made the most gains; rest of Europe has been desperately slim pickings for them.

UK is surely the place Sony can most increase marketshare.

not if they launch months after durango. they'll be playing catch up, just as they have done this gen.

3 months is not going to determine 8-10 year generation. Launching early 2014 in Euro is fine especially since it's Sony's strongest territory.

I think it lays the ground. one get the leads and thus has more room to manoeuvre than the other. y'know, just like this gen.

I don't discount sony's price hurt their efforts at the beginning, but at the same time, the lead that the 360 built up has proved insurmountable for them, even with a £125 machine at christmas and a much better exclusive back catalogue as well as free online.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Always wanted to try that damn thing, then Sony pussied out.

But it looks very uncomfortable to use.

 

[Digital-Hero]

As I get older I am starting to be a one console man. I lack the time to game like I used to. I'm betting on PS4.

 

[GANGSTERKILLER]

This thread seriously needs some tech savvy guys for real talk.

Says hello...

 

[daakusedo]

Am I the only one that really loves this?

Those nsmbu videos that the game records in challenge mode just want to be shared!
It would frankly made sense for nintendo games given their focus on superplay.
Playing also recently mighty swith force, it would be nice too.

 

[michaelius]

regarding the eu / uk waiting until 2014. if it turns out to be true, I feel we won't be waiting more than a month or two. sony really can't afford to give microsoft any kind of head-start in europe or the uk, lest they end up losing more marketshare in the uk and potentially losing some in europe too.

You mean like they didn't give microsoft head-start this generation which is why they are safely ahead of them in sales on the old continent ?

 

[Kinyou]

But it looks very uncomfortable to use.

It looks uncomfortable but hands on impressions were very positive

 

[dose]

No wonder shit sites don't bother with attribution. People don't seem to comprehend what they're reading, or understand how information is passed around.

If Edge didn't believe a word of a rumour they wouldn't post it, there'd be point in it and they'd look stupid. They post credible information, some of it happens to be completely wrong, just like any other site.

 

[KageMaru]

No, no. I'm all for them hitting the U.S. as early as possible. But going into Japan early seems idiotic. The country doesn't buy consoles, least of all one produced by Microsoft. There is no reason to want an early launch advantage in that country. Europe, on the other hand, is a market where an early launch would be helpful. I'm not saying necessary, I'm saying helpful - whereas it's outright useless in Japan.

Oh, I see and yeah you make a great point. Maybe it's just easier to launch in Japan since you don't have to provide as many units? On top of that, it seems like the number of countries in Europe doesn't make it easy to launch anything there. I could be wrong on that last one though.

 

[LukasTaves]

Am I the only one that really loves this?

This is indeed great, and shows how people should not be so quick to dismiss non gaming features on these consoles.

Can't wait to see what both of them is cocking for this machines (I'm actually more excited by these things than i am for the games themselves XD)

 

[.GqueB.]

This sounds all well and good but I'm interested in the software and overall experience driving this thing. That's where MS excels and that's what they should focus on this generation. Making the console experience more seamless.

If they just give me a better looking uncharted then they can count me out. Don't let me down Sony. I have my eyes on you mang.

 

[golem]

Both platforms are driven by eight-core AMD CPUs clocked at 1.6GHz, with Microsoft opting for a D3D11.x GPU from an unknown source

Whut? Unknown source?

 

[Sid]

You mean like they didn't give microsoft head-start this generation which is why they are safely ahead of them in sales on the old continent ?

Why not try to be aggressive for once and increase that gap next gen?

 

[flipme]

Apparently the 15 minute recording happens in the background without any hit on performance... but what about uploading?

What's the chances it'll pause your game while it does the work to get it uploaded?

 

[ThomasP]

Very much looking forward to this one. Tech specs sound rather exciting.

 

[Kung Fu Grip]

It will be something close to 8GB of GDDR5. If not that exact amount.

Did you guys really think sony would let MS win the numbers game? ;

 

[Clay Davis]

You mean like they didn't give microsoft head-start this generation which is why they are safely ahead of them in sales on the old continent ?

they underestimated microsoft, they won't eb doing that again. it would be foolhardy to even think they could do it after seeing their market-share in the US and UK crumble.

and while they do still retain much of europe, it would be foolhardy to completely ignore the inroads microsoft has made there as well. however small or insignificant they may be.