BloodMoney
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The article is surely implying that 4GB of GDDR5 will match the PERFORMANCE (not capacity) of 8GB DDR3.
THERE IS NO WAY THE SYSTEM WILL HAVE 8GB OF GDDR5
THERE IS NO WAY THE SYSTEM WILL HAVE 8GB OF GDDR5
Edge: PS4 to launch in Europe in early 2014, US/JP 2013, more powerful than next Xbox
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So apparently do you think that Sony will never manage to keep up with their competitors regarding worldwide releases.
Gotcha, so they switched it up a generation earlier.
A few of us have posted the same, your correct its going to 4GB which they are trying to utilise to match up with the next xbox, it just goes to show how fanboys read into things.
As I've already discussed above, yeah delaying the Japan launch and going for Europe + US first sounds like a great idea. However, there may be logical reasons why this may not happen.
Would you mind answering my question? I've done some minor wikipedia browsing but it's still quite hard to understand. Thank you if you can!
They won't.
Uno Venova
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Everything sounds great, the share feature sounds like something that can be very useful on this forum if it's easy enough to get the photos from a browser.
I tried to answer earlier.
To clarify, GDDR5 will eventually be replaced by GDDR6, but GDDR6 won't be out until 2014. DDR4 won't be widely available until the end of 2013, which is far too late for either Microsoft or Sony to put it in their console.
sechsterangriff
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One can only dream!!
Thanks for clarifying. I thought DDR4 was a new Dance Dance Revolution game.
BibiMaghoo
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But I was, and am, clearly reffering to Sony.
They have never launched at the same time in the EU. To counter this by saying that MS do it or Nintendo do it is simply not relevant. Sony do not.
They never have. My point was that to expect otherwise on baseless ground is silly at best.
I don't agree with it, hell, I'm gutted, I'd like a new console this year.
But no one should be surprised by this.
It's not about 'keeping up'. It's about Sony doing things the way they always have, even at the height of their popularity.
AranhaHunter
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Could be. It could also be mainly used by the OS leaving all the fast RAM for gaming goodness.
Yep.
PS4 would have to be pretty gimped in other parts to be only "slightly" more powerful than the Xbox if it was 8GB DDR3 vs 8GB GDDR5
Because this time Japan can wait. There's no reason to launch there instead of Europe. Especially if the NextBox won't be released in Japan.
Also, Sony IP are mostly western-centric (even japanese games like Gran Turismo).
And Japan prefers (Nintendo) handhelds.
In my opinion, they should give priority to US, Europe and Japan, in this order.
Of course a WW launch would be welcome, eheh.
soulassssns
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thesuperfunk
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Euro launch delay confirmed?
dorkimoe
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Once I have played the game, i dont need to see screenshots from it from other random play throughs, how exciting is a random call of duty screenshot. I dont really want to have to integrate my facebook and twitter into my console so I can update everyone with what I am playing.l..
Now the video thing is cool, for tutorials for youtube though
What was the gap between us and eu psvita launch?.
$400 and below is not bad at all especially if they throw in a camera, as some rumors suggest.
I imagine the controller will be the same except with a touch rear like the vita and media buttons on the front lip like the onlive one. I can't imagine anything drastic beyond that.
Liquidsnake
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I have a question,
wasn't the PS3 more powerful than the 360?
That didn't help much, it should not be the focus. Better to understand how that power will be used.
MS already has me in a stage where I trust them no matter what they do next gen. They earned my business.
I'm hoping PS4 really does push the envelope, and comes back strong. I want competition. I don't want their top be just one console to choose from.
wasn't the PS3 more powerful than the 360?
That didn't help much, it should not be the focus. Better to understand how that power will be used.
MS already has me in a stage where I trust them no matter what they do next gen. They earned my business.
I'm hoping PS4 really does push the envelope, and comes back strong. I want competition. I don't want their top be just one console to choose from.
They aren't gonna go too crazy, I mean at its basics the ps3 and xbox controller are very similar(button setup, etc). I'd honestly be happy with new L2/R2 triggers.
Someone made a good point on the last page, but the big difference is that both the new systems will be closer the pc. Nobody, besides first party and naughty dog, knew how to max out the ps3. Since both the nextgen consoles are going to be so similar, being more powerful will make a noticeable difference this time around.
Clay Davis
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I just want to watch the world burn.
what? I'm hyped, but I'm also realistic and don't have a reading comprehension problem. sorry if that upsets you so.
phosphor112
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No one else answered, so here I go.
Stacked RAM comes as how it sounds. Instead of laying the chips side by side on the PCB (the board) the chips are stacked on top of one another. Because of this, the connections are basically going through each other creating "instant" connections, thus increasing the bandwidth (the amount of data that can be sent within a period of time).
See pic.
GDDR5... the G simply means graphics. (Graphics Double Data Rate, version 5).
GDDR5 has existed for years. It's super fast, but super hot. The only companies that really use it are GPU manufacturers, and frankly not enough of those sell to justify the manufacturing costs for some companies. That's why it's "dying out."
DDR4 is the next iteration of DDR3, which has also been out for years. DDR4 is supposed to be more efficient. Requiring less power, resulting in less heat. It's also relatively "slow." First iterations will be slower than current DDR3 speeds, but will be able to achieve higher speeds (and lower costs) as time goes by.
90TilInfinity
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Interesting. Maybe it's a target for them, but if it is I doubt they'll hit it.
BibiMaghoo
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You say Japan can wait?
I would imagine a Japanese company would laugh at such a statement. It makes logistical sense to launch the console in Japan first.
According to Wiki, Nothing. They were same day. Japan had three months earlier.
Ingueferroque
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It is very smart to make sharing video/image content a primary function.
Ploid 3.0
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This is one of the things the PS3 did (not on rumor's level for PS4) that I wanted them to improve on. Bravo if true. I loved taking screens and videos in ps3 games that supported it. My favorite for video was Just Cause 2, I even won a gaf contest with a video I made via PS3.
Also PS3 added a video editor later on for videos you had on the HDD from games or whatever.
Edit: Also on PS3 you could upload videos straight to youtube.
Digital-Hero
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Sounds like a good compromise since PS4's bandwidth is pretty fast.
If that is true when why has the 360 in it's year headstart fail to gain a stronger foothold? Europe has proven it could wait in the past, why would it suddenly change? I just don't see the rationale.
Uploading video (or any data in general) is much easier on system load than recording video.
The only resource-intensive thing that uploading does is occupy your Internet connection, but that can be mitigated with some careful programming (or background uploading when you finish the game).
Agent Ironside
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Have you seen the last couple of Microsoft E3's?!
Also look at Sony 1st party vs MS 1st party. There's your answer to the
"more powerful" question.
Wax Free Vanilla
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sony launching with two racing games isn't happening.
evo racer at launch >>> gt 6months later
The Vita released at the same time for NA/EU actually.
A next gen fifa, next gen cod on top with a known delay for ps4 ms would kill this xmas, they wouldnt be able to keep up with demand imho.
No, which explains why it didn't help.
I'll be getting all three next gen, but so far it looks like I'll just get the PS4 at launch and wait on the other two systems. And I'm someone who preferred the 360 this gen.
This really was MS' game to win next gen, but they seem to be making the wrong bets, at least when winning over us gamers. I'm only speaking about how it looks so far, I guess there's a chance they can impress with their reveal or at E3.
Wrong all around.
I agree. No way in hell 8gb is happening. However for parity in the amount that's available it might be doable. If the rumors are true that only about 5gb are available on Durango, then given the size of the Orbis' OS footprint they'd only have to shoot for 5-6gb to achieve equivalence. Even though that's still a relatively ridiculous amount to shove in the box and it probably won't happen. It still wouldn't need a full 8gb needed to match Microsoft's console.
Even if we assume that Durango's OS is only half of what it's rumored to be bumping it up that much would close the gap to the point of being a completely non issue putting Orbis in a much preferable position to be developed for.
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8 gig of GDDR isn't going to happen.
It's bull if the rumours are true a about it launching in the UK in 2014.
It's bull if the rumours are true a about it launching in the UK in 2014.
BibiMaghoo
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Yeah, I just picked that up.
Japan had it months earlier. Still nothing to suggest that all territories would have launch parity.
They can't even manage it with Software.
The PS3 (in some areas) was more powerful however by deign to get at that power you really needed to code specific to the console's architecture and bypass easier methods and code to the metal. However most games (outside exclusives obviously) were multiplatform and the easiest way to do that was to aim for parity or close rather than create a truly PS3 centric code-base and get the best performance.
The difference (or rumoured difference I guess) is that this time the additional power is easy to get at and doesn't require esoteric approaches - hence the expectation that this time around things might be different. Of course developers might still aim for parity for other reasons (for example if you figure you're going to get 50% of your sales on each console you might not want to have a superior version).
In general though if true it's more likely developers will use the power available this time around.
iamvin22
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dont think you can have 2 different types of ram when your using a apu system.
More good stuff coming from the PS4 rumour mill. I'm skeptical about seeing that top up of RAM, but the share function sounds amazing and could well prove to be a massive selling point.
Nice to hear the controller isn't having a display forced on it; I still think the Vita will be used to offer some sort of enhanced remote play functionality. I'm OK with the touch pad, providing it is there for OS and menu navigation purposes and not to be shoehorned into actual game play.
The suggested release dates, while disappointing (speaking as a UK resident), do make sense to me. The US is the largest market and also the one where Sony seriously lost ground. Those two facts alone make it essential that they make NA a priority. As for Japan, while it may be a smaller market than the EU, it is home turf - no company should launch significantly later in their native market. It ends up meaning an agonising extra few months of waiting, but I remember when consoles used to take over a year after their initial release to filter through to Europe, with the games being no quicker. Despite catering for multiple languages and dealing with the problems posed by simultaneously launching in multiple distinct countries, a lot of the time, we see close to release date parity over here now, and I for one am grateful for that.
As for the new Xbox having a suggested head start, I seriously doubt a few months is enough to erode the PS brand over here (Edit: Over here = EU) so much that it would be a critical mistake to let MS get off the blocks first.
Nice to hear the controller isn't having a display forced on it; I still think the Vita will be used to offer some sort of enhanced remote play functionality. I'm OK with the touch pad, providing it is there for OS and menu navigation purposes and not to be shoehorned into actual game play.
The suggested release dates, while disappointing (speaking as a UK resident), do make sense to me. The US is the largest market and also the one where Sony seriously lost ground. Those two facts alone make it essential that they make NA a priority. As for Japan, while it may be a smaller market than the EU, it is home turf - no company should launch significantly later in their native market. It ends up meaning an agonising extra few months of waiting, but I remember when consoles used to take over a year after their initial release to filter through to Europe, with the games being no quicker. Despite catering for multiple languages and dealing with the problems posed by simultaneously launching in multiple distinct countries, a lot of the time, we see close to release date parity over here now, and I for one am grateful for that.
As for the new Xbox having a suggested head start, I seriously doubt a few months is enough to erode the PS brand over here (Edit: Over here = EU) so much that it would be a critical mistake to let MS get off the blocks first.
Clay Davis
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when the 360 launched, it was a different playing field. japanese studios and titles were still very dominant in the market and sony led the charge.
360 was also seen as an unknown. people couldn't be sure if it would still be around in a couple of years, especially after the xbox.
it's alll different now, western studios and titles are firmly running the show and there's no worry about them suddenly dropping out of the market. if microsoft launch with next gen fifa, cod, etc it could see the tide turn in their favour.
R10Neymarfan
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If the Orbis releases in 2014 then I demand an 8850 or 8870 equivalent and the Cell for BC. Still hoping they have that 22nm ready for 2014