Mammoth Jones
Member
I really hope it's easy to work with. That's what's going to matter.
Edge: PS4 to launch in Europe in early 2014, US/JP 2013, more powerful than next Xbox
- Thread starter miksar
- Start date
No, not only has the PS4 no direct competition in Japan, the sales are also negligible compared to Europe.
Europe is by far Sonys biggest and most relevant market. Time to stop the bullshit and treat it like it should be treated.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I agree with you both , Sony should have some systems in Europe even if it's a small amount .
Only time will tell but i feel Sony still waiting to see what MS going to do and if they do launch later it should be no more than month .
GANGSTERKILLER
Member
They are not rushing hard enough for Europe... As always.
But my feeling tells me MS will have a (almost) worldwide launch, they have done it with the 360. Why not this time?
As a multiplatform gamer from Europe I'll have to play that next-gen 3rd party games this freaking year.
Don't disappoint me MS. Make it happen.
Distributing EU-wide is a nightmare compared to US/Japan. But I get the impatience.
makingmusic476
Member
New consoles generally have shortages during their first Christmas season, and they sell a negligible amount of their total amount of consoles during that season. Compare the 360 and ps3's first holiday sales in the UK to their current totals.
Plus, they'll be priced so high only early adopters will be buying anyway. I'm expecting price tags around $499 USD, with both intending to cut prices very slowly over the next ~10 years.
Edit:
Though the whole slight revision at old price every two years model that smartphones have adopted may change the way they decide to price their consoles.
CadetMahoney
Member
A few months could be almost for Sony Europe depending on who you ask.
MikeE21286
Member
It's worded weirdly. But they're not matching the amount. Only the performance
If they're supply constrained I can't see how it matters. If it's not supply and there's some logistical issue then they need to get their shit together.
Either way though they can afford to go down by a few million, and if it's a supply issue it won't even change the worldwide picture. They're not gonna lose the generation over one Christmas season.
funkystudent
Member
SCEE cant release ANYTHING!!! on time.
and 8gig DDR5 is crazy. Even upping it to 5 or 6 would be mad.
and 8gig DDR5 is crazy. Even upping it to 5 or 6 would be mad.
But the performance of 8GB DDR3 together is already slow...
OldJadedGamer
Banned
But like what was pointed out, Europe got PS3 the latest and it actually helped them... not hurt them. So going off history if people are going to buy it anyway, why go after that market first? They need the most help in the US.
Because Europe is not one country, it is a region. Japan and US are one country so it is easier to launch even though the markets are bigger. Different countries have different rules.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Europe fucked once more, the only territory they kept a foothold in and they treat them like shit again.
I think Sony has been looking to methodically check off PS3 weaknesses. Power + simplicity should mean good things for PS4 versions of multiplat games.
The Edge article paints a picture of almost perfection - asides from the later European date
???
When did I say your point was less valid? Lol.
I even agreed that RDR looks better.
I'm not talking just about sales, I'm talking mainly about public perception.
If Microsoft release this year their 'Super Xbox Puncho-tron Laser 5000', there will be massive hype, pubic will go 'oooh that is amazing', it will sell out etc.
Then a few months passes and the PS400 comes out and John Smith will be like 'I already have the Super Xbox Pucho-tron', why should I get this? Isn't it just the same thing?
Then Sony will play second fiddle again for five years.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Sony already have a formidable distribution channel in the EU. They sell PlayStation in more countries WW than MS and Nintendo, and they sell more hardware products than MS and Nintendo. It has nothing to do with ease, or lack thereof, of distribution. It is about hardware shortages and Sony not having the balls to repeat a PS2 situation where it was hard to find for almost 9 months after launch.
Kaz and Andrew House need to man the fuck up and launch it in EU and US in Nov/Dec and Japan in Feb if they think there are going to be production issues.
makingmusic476
Member
I think Sony has been looking to methodically check off PS3 weaknesses. Power + simplicity should mean good things for PS4 versions of multiplat games.
The Edge article paints a picture of almost perfection - asides from the later European date
Well, I remember one of the first things Hirai and Yoshida did when taking over was "get software teams working on hardware development", something SCE hadn't bothered with under Kuturagi. This lead to Vita and what we're currently seeing with ps4.
SCEWWS have been involved with ps4's development from the getgo in order to make it very developer friendly.
Duallusion
Member
By your ice-cold words my tender heart quivers.
Is the software sold their really as important as other regions?
zomgbbqftw
Banned
That's not true. For all intents and purposes, the EU27 is a single market and all 27 nations basically have the same rules. If Sony satisfy EU level regulation they automatically satisfy national level regulation.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Until customers vote with their wallet, I don't see it changing. Again, the US is where they need the biggest push next gen.
Well. Isn't this fun.
This stuff is all good to hear, and to be frank, the Euro delay was to be expected, but hearing the details about this thing and its touchy-feely Prodaxis (actually, did EDGE mention if the pad had vibration or anything like it?), I'm having a hard time seeing it coming in at anywhere under £400 at launch. That might be too much to ask for at the lowest ebb of a triple-dip recession, especially in the UK.
In these cash-strapped times, and with all the talk of diminishing returns and all that, would normal people bite at that price, or would they "make do" with their iPad Minis and Galaxy SIIIs? Or, worse still, their PS3s and 360s?
As for any four-month advantage for the next Xbox, well, I'd say that that depends solely on if MS can get Durango out in plentiful quantities at a good (as in, sub-£350) price, with features and games people actually want. I doubt very much that that will happen (not the games, rather the rest of it), but I'm prepared to be surprised.
This stuff is all good to hear, and to be frank, the Euro delay was to be expected, but hearing the details about this thing and its touchy-feely Prodaxis (actually, did EDGE mention if the pad had vibration or anything like it?), I'm having a hard time seeing it coming in at anywhere under £400 at launch. That might be too much to ask for at the lowest ebb of a triple-dip recession, especially in the UK.
In these cash-strapped times, and with all the talk of diminishing returns and all that, would normal people bite at that price, or would they "make do" with their iPad Minis and Galaxy SIIIs? Or, worse still, their PS3s and 360s?
As for any four-month advantage for the next Xbox, well, I'd say that that depends solely on if MS can get Durango out in plentiful quantities at a good (as in, sub-£350) price, with features and games people actually want. I doubt very much that that will happen (not the games, rather the rest of it), but I'm prepared to be surprised.
pants
Member
There are like 15 consoles launching this year, we'll get OUYA at least!
There's no fucking point, then.
CadetMahoney
Member
Don't you have to cater for all languages and then certify them for each one. . . UK has a different certification process than Germany, didn't they ban beheadings in Ninja Gaiden Black but UK allowed it?
Why would the PS4 not be region free considering the PS3 and the Vita???
There's no fucking point, then.
It will be $400 eventually.
makingmusic476
Member
The point I was making is very few people will be able to say "I already have this", and the people saying that will most likely be people that intended to get one regardless of the ps4's availability.
Remember, the ps3 launched A YEAR AND A HALF after the 360, and it still outperformed the 360 across Europe as a whole. Yes, in the UK it fell behind the 360, but it's unlikely a simultaneous launch would change that next generation, nor is it likely that a few month gap between console launches will change either console's fate considerably. It'll all be about software, features, and general services/support.
For example, if Microsoft continues to put considerable effort into XBL in the UK but for the most part ignores it in the rest of Europe, they will likely sustain their success in the UK and continue their relative failure elsewhere.
Sony would somehow have to have a considerable headstart and a PSN that turns heads away from XBL for them to considerably change their fortunes in the UK at this point. Or create a first party football game that tops FIFA/PES (lol).
zomgbbqftw
Banned
It seems unlikely that Sony will reintroduce region coding after PSP, PS3 and Vita which don't have it.
Not really, i think in a clamshell mode it would be possible to go to 8GB of GDDR5 but the cost... and where people would the DDR3 memory controller if we have an APU?
You're talking about different things. Game ratings and certification is not the same as hardware certification.
Language stuff can be done in weeks by third party contractors.
ask nintendo? wasn't the ds (and only up to the dsi) the only region-free nintendo system? sony has a trend here.
IIRC someone from MS said if they knew how hard a WW launch would be, they may not have done it. We'll see how it goes this year but if they do attempt multi-region launch, I can see them leaving Japan out.
This is my thought as well and potentially a reason why it may be delayed until next year.
Usually when I don't agree with a point, it's because I don't think it's valid, sorry.
All I know is when reading on tech boards, someone making the claim that System X > System Y, it's usually shot down by people who know far more than you or I. I take their opinion rather serious and learn what I could from them.
Not really, Xbox will sold out, it won't matter.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
zomgbbqftw
Banned
That's for games, not the consoles themselves.
If they launch in Western Europe only, forget Eastern Europe it's not a big market anyway, they need to translate their OS and EULA into German, French, Swedish, Danish, Finnish, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and Greek. They can send the EULA to an EU agency who will do it for them in double quick time if they pay enough money. In fact I think they have to get their stuff translated by an official body anyway, so whether they do that in June or September makes no difference. Translating an OS functions is not exactly a big deal.
Mindblown...
I never knew the DS was region free.
I think...I think I'll go buy some games.
Thanks man!
Unknown One
Member
I won't believe Edge. I'll wait for E3 to see when the launch is going to come. That's when they usually announce launch periods. No way it'll be leaked this soon. I don't believe the 8 GB as well.
So if PS4 has 8GB OF GDDR5 (lol), what's stopping MS for putting in a whopping 16GB DDR3 ram on the next Xbox (if we count out how complex the motherboard would be and added price) if they want to counter PS4? Also what's stopping MS so they can have the price at 100 dollars cheaper than PS4?
One retail game one region locked no?
D
Deleted member 13876
Unconfirmed Member
GameBoy (Color) and GameBoy Advance were region free too.