SniperHunter
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6 GB of GDDR5 would be pretty amazing, what's the word on the RAM situation atm? Too late to add DDR3 (mobo design/heat/architecture issues), so I guess adding more GDDR5 is the only solution?
Edge: PS4 to launch in Europe in early 2014, US/JP 2013, more powerful than next Xbox
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I'm a little nervous about the controller. The article sai redesigned but the same size as te current controller. I personally believe the 360 controller is te best that's ever been made and I'm hoping Sony does something really different then the current DS3. The share button does have me damn excited though
TGO
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I think its more that they would sell out all their stock in Europe alone before NA conumers have a chance to get their wallets out
so limited stock - release in US
build up stock & hit europe for massive damage
"God's Beard!"
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If they add more RAM, couldn't they bump up how long the record function works as well?
This.
Not only that, they can actually reach 50m in PAL region with a price point of 150$ish. I mean PS3 is like the only system that sells in places like middle east, korea, singapore and so on
SONY should focus more on euro zone for their next system. Had it not been for europe , ps3 would have been history by now
Yes, unless they have two prototypes. One with GDDR5 and another with stacked DDR3/4 designed to provide the same bandwidth to the GPU. The assertion about the possibility of 8GB could be lent a touch more credence provided the earlier rumour of Sony sending out two dev kit, one of which had 16GB RAM was true.
If they are planning to stick to GDDR5 however, I do not see them going over 4GB in general and at most 5GB (an unusual number possible with two 512MB chips) which would allow the RAM available for games be either 4GB or 4.5GB depending upon the final size of OS.
Betrayer of hope
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Instead of going 8gb GDDr5 sony should simply go with 6gb of XDR2.
Much faster, lower latency and less pins and pcb costs
Much faster, lower latency and less pins and pcb costs
SquiddyCracker
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If it can add even 2GB of GDDR5 RAM, bringing the total up to 6GB, then they will pretty much blow the Durante out of the water.
Manmademan
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lol. you mean durango? Durante is the poster here that made that dark souls fix.
SquiddyCracker
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Durante, Durango, Django, Banjo.
Durante is Durante though.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Watch out Durante, Sony is coming for you!
I can't wait to see what Durango's actual RAM situation really is. Anyone who thinks MS is going to let Sony completely dominate them in the memory department has another thing coming.
It is no coincidence that MS has been working so closely with Epic, Crytek and all the other RAM whores for building their next-gen system from the ground up.
I expect both systems to have extremely similar performance, albeit achieved in a slightly different way.
It is no coincidence that MS has been working so closely with Epic, Crytek and all the other RAM whores for building their next-gen system from the ground up.
I expect both systems to have extremely similar performance, albeit achieved in a slightly different way.
sounds all right, since a lot of memory should be sitting around doing nothing.
Sony will use 4 GB for sure, i hope they wont do 8 GB (and I am sure they wont).
What if he DID mean Durante, and what if Sony IS coming for him? :O
BruceLeeRoy
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Yup
Manmademan
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to lock him in the Sony dungeon to assist with making Demon's souls 2? In that case I'll knock him out and kidnap him myself.
As of now I don't see why not.
Manmademan
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didn't the 360 up the ram at the last minute?
it would be nice just from a hardcore gamer perspective, but 4 gigs of GDDR5 is way more than anyone will need to make great games- it's only good for future proofing. But who here wants the ps4 sticking around more than 5 years anyway? I don't want to repeat this gen again ever- it went on long enough.
4 gigs of GDDR5, get it out the door, and give me Ps5 in 2018 or 2019.
Similar enough to make the gap smaller, but not enough to close it is my guess. (And appears to be what Thuway and Edge's source are saying.)
maquiladora
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Pristine_Condition
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Uh, both the Playstation and the Playstation 2 had delayed launches in the US that missed Christmas. The original Playstation ended up delayed like 9 mo. They did alright.
Yeah but it's best to believe Sony wouldn't want to make such a last minute move and risk a delay or bad yields since the Durango and Orbis are both rumored to be pretty much the same damn thing spec wise.
zomgbbqftw
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Nah, it's not the same target audience. The people currently buying PS3s are not looking to buy a PS4 any time soon. PS2 sales didn't drop off a cliff after 2005 when PS3 was announced, in fact Xmas 2005 was one of the strongest ever for PS2!
If Sony get the strategy right and push a price cut at E3 for PS3 and announce PS4 with no b/c in built then PS3 sales aren't really going to suffer.
PCs are being replaced by tablets and major PC CPU manufacturers like Intel/amd would want to deter the the paradigm shift by coming up with beefed up CPU/GPU specs in the future
4g wont be enough if SONY is pushing 4K and SONY always has the habit of pushing a new tech with their console releases
with 8g GDDR5, they can dominate gaming scenario for years and also they can fortify their goals of making people switch to 4K TVs
Manmademan
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agreed. there's a huge market of people interested in the PS3 that won't hop on board until it hits $99-$150. a price drop combined with the ps4 announcement likely means sony sells more consoles, not less.
True, but the NA market is where Sony is most at risk. They lost a lot of ground here against Microsoft and Nintendo, and I'm sure they really want the PS4 to take some of that back. Even with the delay, they'll be fine in Europe. UK (51st state
) is the only country where they didn't do as well or better than MS.Edit: as for 4k, don't expect games to run at that resolution unless they're smaller PSN games that don't need a lot of power. 4k will probably be just for movies.
Link?
Manmademan
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4gigs of GDDR5 is more than enough for 4K gaming and video.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/6/18/the-4k-graphics-card-shootout.aspx
and that's on a gaming PC. On a closed system where you can squeeze every last ounce of performance out of your hardware, performance would likely be even better.
OldJadedGamer
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PS1 launched in September and PS2 launched in October. All home systems in the US in the last 20 years have launched in September, October, or November. The last home system that didn't launch in those three months in the US was the Sega Saturn and we all know how that turned out.
And more importantly, gaming@4K on PS4 would be nearly non existent. It is primarily for 4K video.
Resolution @dynamic 1080p and framerate either 30 or 60 means a lot can be done with optimization.
PS1 was a December 3rd launch held back until the next September for the US.
maquiladora
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There is no way it will be more than 4GB GDDR5.
iamvin22
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cost between the two?
1st Course
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I could be wrong but I remember reading here that 4 GB of GDDR5 memory wasn't even possible in consoles until this year duo to motherboards capacity or something like. 8 GB of GDDR5 will be very hard to achieve.
IIRC, it will be around $15 (maximum) per GB of GDDR5. Problem is that it is not as simple as that. Heat dissipation system and integrating them to an already crowded motherboard would add to the cost to a point where the venture may be seen as prohibitive. Still, you never know what Sony really intends to do.
No. It had to do with density going up per chip from 256MB to 512MB
that might be true since consoles are closed system but what if you want to have ultrarealistic graphics with 1000s of things on screen???
the link you specified took into consideration the games which have been released already like BF3 and none of those games were made with 4k res specifically in mind
To make a console future proof, i think SONY should add another 4g ram . after all they are not making huge investments on GPU/CPU /media like BD when ps3 came out
The only region where they would be making investments would be a motherfucking for incorporating 16 nodules of GDDR5 and an additional 4g GDDR which might cost them an extra 40$-60$
1st Course
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So they will need to up the chips again to 1gig per each for 8GB right? Is that even possible?
It still launched in the time frame to take advantage of a holiday shopping season.
with the clamshell mode and 16bit mode of GDDR5 chip you can simulate 1GB 32bit chip with two 512MB chip (front side and back side PCB) without modify memory controller or PCB print. it seem you can twice the RAM capacity at the last moment
Is it a situation where stacking would solve the layout/thermal issues?
thats like having 16 GB of RAM in gaming PC just because you can... doesnt make it usable
there is no need to spend extra $50-$80 on 8 GB of ram... it is throwing money into the wind. It can cause slower sales of PS4 for instance and make Sony lose billions.
I guess people who dont understand technical side of things end up thinking that bigger is better... but it is better to spend money on other things or making your console cheaper.
$60 would probably double the graphic power of the PS4.
So basically 360 > PS4?
Iacobellis
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Don't they have blockbuster games?