they meant the next Gears and Halo , which are their blockbuster franchises
Edge: PS4 to launch in Europe in early 2014, US/JP 2013, more powerful than next Xbox
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they meant the next Gears and Halo , which are their blockbuster franchises
Well they're getting pretty well dominated in the GPU department already, so it's going to be less about what MS does and more about whether PS4 is less than meets the eye.
OldJadedGamer
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Thanks for confirming what I just said? That was Sony's first system, they knew they couldn't screw it up. In December of 1994 the only videogame competition the PS1 would have had in the US would have been the 32X which launched that same holiday.
Exactly, no company will delay their home system past the three month traditional launch window of Sept/Oct/Nov. Europeans may tolerate that but it is suicide in the US.
Deuterium
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...and you are basing this opinion on completely unconfirmed rumors and "leaks"?
You come in here and quote my post to say that? The one where I say "maybe this thing isn't as good as people are saying"?
The specs are pretty much confirmed at this point.
PS4 GPU > 720 GPU
edit: Also you need to re-evaluate the previous leaks comparing the processing power of both consoles. We have 3 leaks which said PS4 > Xbox 720 and one leak with said opposite. The one leak going for the Xbox 720 had highly inaccurate information, so ..
Pestilence11
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lol
I feel like a kid again with this next gen hype. I really hope they get the PS4 out before Christmas in NA.
I long back for the days when companies would just say "No comment".
ScepticMatt
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XDR2 isn't going to happen. To much licensing cost and manufacturing hassle.
Even 8GB in clam shell mode is more believable. They wouldn't even have to redesign the memory controller.
But I still think they either stay at 4GB GDDR5 or use a 8GB DDR3 stack on a 1024bit bus.
XDR2 doesnt even exist...
Deuterium
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Actually, nothing is confirmed at this point.
And I don't give a shit who ends up "on top" in the graphics race, as I don't have a dog in the fight. I just find it humorous that every single "source" of information is via unconfirmed, anonymous internet postings. I could care less if someone at some gaming website claims that their "sources" are bonafide developers. Bullshit...until proven otherwise. And that "otherwise" comes when both Sony and Microsoft release their specifications...and/or actual developers go on the record.
Melchiah
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However, the PS3 was released in NA & JPN in November 2006, and March 2007 in EU. I wonder what the PS2 sales were at those times?
True, but the NA market is where Sony is most at risk. They lost a lot of ground here against Microsoft and Nintendo, and I'm sure they really want the PS4 to take some of that back. Even with the delay, they'll be fine in Europe. UK (51st state) is the only country where they didn't do as well or better than MS.
Edit: as for 4k, don't expect games to run at that resolution unless they're smaller PSN games that don't need a lot of power. 4k will probably be just for movies.
That's true as well. Perhaps they should just do what few posters have suggested, and do a limited launch in Japan, and move the EU launch to 2013. Even if it was in short supply, it would show they care about the region, and won't be treating them as 2nd grade customers.
And I agree with what you said about 4K. I don't think Sony's campaign for 4k has anything to do with gaming.
Keep telling that to yourself, especially since you dont care about who ends up on top.
Deuterium
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Easy there, Mavs. No offense, mate...but I quoted your reply #1607, in it's entirety...and nowhere did it say "maybe this thing isn't as good as people are saying"?
Deuterium
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Keep telling that to yourself, especially since you dont care about who ends up on top.
Geez, I am sorry, artist -- you must be right, and I must be wrong. There evidentally must be confirmed specifications out there, as you imply. Can you please post the links to either Sony or Microsoft white papers, or to named developers who are on the record discussing the technical details of the systems?
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In case you didnt know, VGLeaks and other sources have pretty much been verified in the past (even by the mods) to be correct.
But yes, pretty sure you will not accept simple facts until Ballmer pays a personal visit to your home conceding his console is slightly weaker.
SquiddyCracker
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Yeah, the PS4 GPU is the same architecture as the Xbox Duranduran GPU, yet significantly powerful. It's not a case of pears and apples, but of a pear and a better pear.
The CPU stuff is more or less the same it seems, but with the RAM you got a genuine pears vs apples situation as it's not exactly clear cut which model is the better one (8GB of slow ram and some quick eDRAM vs 4GB quick ram).
That's what "less than meets the eye" means. I paraphrased it to explain its meaning more directly. Speaking of directness, yes I'm sure everyone in this thread knows the entire discussion is premised on the sources in question being correct. Thank you for the reminder.
AranhaHunter
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Gears is Epic's blockbuster franchise.
Yup.
Orbis GPU > Durango GPU
Orbis CPU ~ Durango CPU
Orbis RAM != Durango RAM (significantly different approaches)
The hardware philosophy of both HD twins is possibly the closest we have/will get in any generation.
ScepticMatt
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Probably similar performance is my bet too. But don't forget that Sony too has worked with those same said teams, along with their internal teams who are also power hungry beasts as well.
Deuterium
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Either that, or Kazuo Hirai pays a personal visit to inform me the PS4 is more powerful.
Better still, I would like to have them both over for a few pints of IPA and maybe a shot or two of Jameson...and we can discuss why I cordially dislike Kinect and JRPGs.
http://www.rambus.com/us/technology/solutions/xdr2/index.html
XDR2 would be the best solution for sure but 4g XDR 2 would cost like 2x that of 8g GDDR 5
8G GDDR5 is an excellent solution for long term and 4K though
Nothing about the final design is confirmed yet, we still don't know the final ram configuration is Orbis, or what the the Data Move Engines etc in Durango.
if MS wants their next box as a multimedia hub then slow 8g ddr3 is an excellent solution
However, for gaming GDDR 5 will always have an advantage . It certainly depends on what market segment MS is tailoring their next xbox for
IrrelevantNotch
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So what's the difference between the Orbis' GPU and Durango's GPU?
Kung Fu Grip
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I bet the announced specs are different from the rumored specs.
I'm not sure I see the need for that kind of resources for a media hub given what non console devices that service the same purpose have.
The only thing that really makes sense is the stuff from that kinect 2.0 sounding patent that floated around the other day.
Well that or if you wanted to make it a multiroom multiuser device, so it could stream video to one TV whilst allow someone to play games on another.
90TilInfinity
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How much cheaper would 8GB of that be compared to 8GB of GDDR5?
Well DDR4 is not out yet and it would cost a lot more than DDR3 right now
AgentP
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He is talking about something that does not exist and probably won't until 2014.
yep DDR4 and stacking would be more expensive since the current motherboards wont support the unconventional stacking of RAM
an additional 4g GDDR5 + a tweaked motherboard wont cost SONY more than 50-60$ per unit. could be cheaper since we are like a year away from PS4's launch
Specifically talking about GPU and you're taking a tangent on the RAM.
I'm glad that you've realized the amount of hoops Sony needs to jump through to get your approval.
Deuterium
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Huh? You mean Ballmer isn't coming? I thought you invited him for me? And what exactly does Sony have to do with Kinect?
Just because I am unwilling to make summary conclusions based on unconfirmed rumors...somehow you are twisting that into an implication that I have some sort of pro Microsoft agenda or bias?
Just seen this posted on BY3D
http://www.rambus.com/us/news/press_releases/2013/130129a.html
Could Sony be using Rambus memory once again for the PS4?
http://www.rambus.com/us/news/press_releases/2013/130129a.html
Could Sony be using Rambus memory once again for the PS4?
well RAMBUS has real practical solution for implementation of 3D stacking
One question is ?? How much would the motherboard cost and how much would XDR2 cost??
in any case it would cost way more than adding another 4gb gddr5
yeah that's true. By the Time the PAL countries get it the first batch has been sorted. Like in Europe where we got the 1/2 virtualised PS2, this helped keep heat down. In the long run that could have helped increase console lifespan.
Plus there is just the fact the next console may be shit and if you get swept up in the hype you could have the buyers remorse.
Insane Metal
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No.
HocusPocus
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microsoft is in the same boat they were last gen with all the rumors about a performance gap that was much more than what has beeen rumored here last gen. will be interesting to see if they can out engineer sony on performance versus cost again. if they dont they will be in trouble.
this time the scenario is different . PS3 made a huge comeback and has solid momentum going into next gen
Unlike last gen , chances of SONY launching PS4 with no good games and a year after x720 is virtually 0
Unless SONY really messes up PS4's launch ..nothing will stop the juggernaut.
All this talk of who is more powerful, the new Xbox or the new Playstation is absolutely pointless.
The vast majority of third-party games will definitely be multiplatform to cover the development costs. If the games are produced for both systems, then the level of graphics is determined by the weaker of the two, the lowest common denominator.
It's just like PS2 and Xbox, PS3 and 360. For multiplatform games, the difference in tech usually doesn't result in a significant difference in graphics. Exclusives are also getting more and more irrelevant.
In short, which system is more powerful might be interesting from a developer or business point of view but it's pretty irrelevant for consumers. I would just buy the one that is cheaper, unless the other has some amazing unique hardware/software feature.
The vast majority of third-party games will definitely be multiplatform to cover the development costs. If the games are produced for both systems, then the level of graphics is determined by the weaker of the two, the lowest common denominator.
It's just like PS2 and Xbox, PS3 and 360. For multiplatform games, the difference in tech usually doesn't result in a significant difference in graphics. Exclusives are also getting more and more irrelevant.
In short, which system is more powerful might be interesting from a developer or business point of view but it's pretty irrelevant for consumers. I would just buy the one that is cheaper, unless the other has some amazing unique hardware/software feature.
If the specs are to be believed that one system would sport more muscle in gfx and gameplay over the other
multiplat games might look same but if you look at ps3, most people buy it for its great line up of exclusive games
if both are launched at the same time, the one offering better gfx/gameplay will likely sell most. Ofcourse , it seems each system is trying to cater to different audience alongside the Hardcore ones. This is main reason for the systems having a major difference in RAM amount/type
I will pay extra as long as i get exclusives that differentiate my system
That's couldn't be any further from the truth, but like most people are saying, any perceived advantages would only been seen in exclusive software, which I don't see there being many next gen, so basically first party games.
Much like this gen, this highest selling games will be 3rd party/Mulitplatform.
Both HW vendors will be fine, I don't see any gains in marketing if one console is slightly better than the other .
Clay Davis
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Prettier graphics are lost on people who have their televisions on the default settings. Basically, a lot or bloody people.
Lord Error
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I think I've heard somewhere that edram transistors can be packed denser than logic transistors, not sure if it's really true.
The_Hitcher89
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Do you guys reckon people on PS3s will show up on the Freinds List on PS4, and you'll be able to send messages between them? Maybe even play backwards compatible games between them (lol)