Support NeoGAF

[Bgamer90]

What you are basing your speculation on though?

The fact that the Xbox brand is currently number one in America-- one of the biggest countries when it comes to the video game market.

The fact that the Xbox brand has multiple big name 3rd party devs supporting it from that previously mentioned fact.

That, on top of the current exclusive franchises they have as well as the ones they are planning for next gen.

You're just saying things while completely ignoring what's been happening the last few years and what the rumors suggest.

No, I'm making common sense.

Stop with the gamer rage and actually think for a moment. Do you really believe that MS will give up on one of the main things that's causing the Xbox brand to continue on making tons of money? Casual gamers don't cause good attach rates since they don't buy games at the same rate as core gamers. I'm pretty sure that MS knows this. Therefore, they will have content for core gamers. It's just that simple.

Also, I don't get why so many base the last few years of an old console to judge how that console's successor will be as a whole. Makes no sense.

All previous successful consoles (like the NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, PS2) went more casual as they entered their last 2 years due to the cheaper price attracting the audience of people that still didn't have one yet (i.e. "casuals").

How come people are acting like MS is the first to do this? Because they were successful at it? I honestly don't get it.

Look at the past few E3's, who's been more focused on games and who's been more focused on other forms of media?

Why does that matter if both systems have had great games?

You are (as I said in my previous post) stating that mostly on differences with branding/advertising.

Look at the rumors and what's been announced so far- Sony came out and spent almost 2 hours talking about games and developers, and about 5 minutes to maintains it will have other services. While rumors of MS show a much more media focused system.

The PS4 will more than likely have just as many media apps as the Next Xbox.

Everything is just speculation at this point, but there's speculation based on facts, and speculation based on ignorance- like what you're doing.

So rumors = facts

But making statements based on trends during previous gaming generations in the past 25+ years, the developer support that both the Playstation and Xbox brands currently have, and just overall common sense business wise = ignorance

Amazing lol.

 

[Alx]

No, but The Last of Us, Beyond, Journey, and loads of other new IPs created in the last years.

Because Sony has great first party support doesn't make the one from MS bad... You can say that Sony has been better lately and most will agree, but claiming that MS neglects the core gamers is really exaggerated.
The way I see it, MS does what Sony used to do with PS1 and PS2 : rely mostly on third party software, because they can and that's what people will buy anyway. While Sony is in a situation similar to that of Sega at a time : trying to get more attention by being over productive and creative (of course they're in a less critical situation than Sega at the time, and they're succeeding in their attempt)

 

[Baconsammy]

What new Ips have they put in the last 4 years? Quality games, not the Kinect garbage.

So you played all the games you just listed and can speak to their quality? Please tell us how awesome Beyond and Last of Us play. And since you've been to the future, can you tell me if the Patriots re-sign Wes Welker?

The PS4 will more than likely have just as many media apps as the Next Xbox.

I disagree. Sony hasn't been nearly as pro-active as Microsoft has been in adding apps.

 

[cryptic]

Yeah because Sony only has these 3 franchises.

In the other initial durbango thread the hive mind argument was all those other sony franchises are sub par and don't sell so they're irrelevant, expect the same.

 

[AOC83]

Because Sony has great first party support doesn't make MS bad... You can say that Sony has been better lately and most will agree, but claiming that MS neglects the core gamers is really exaggerated.

The problem is that they don´t even try anymore, it may be satisfying for some to play the same three franchises over and over again but i need some variety.

And MS could have had great first party support themselves, the problem is they didn´t care and one developer after another went to shit.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

So, umpteen threads and thousands of posts later, are we any closer to knowing what the 720 will offer?

 

[Baconsammy]

In the other initial durbango thread the hive mind argument was all those other sony franchises are sub par and don't sell so they're irrelevant, expect the same.

And what did Sony just do to many of those studios whose games weren't selling? Apparently sales matter.

So, umpteen threads and thousands of posts later, are we any closer to knowing what the 720 will offer?

I think we know already. What we're seeing now is a lot of wishful thinking from folks that wish it weren't true. Either that or MS has done a masterful job of misdirection. Given their recent history, I don't think that's it.

 

[AOC83]

So you played all the games you just listed and can speak to their quality? Please tell us how awesome Beyond and Last of Us play.

Don´t derail the discussion, it´s pretty much set in stone that these games are going to have a at least decent quality. So what about the new MS Ips?

 

[statham]

The problem is that they don´t even try anymore, it may be satisfying for some to play the same three franchises over and over again but i need some variety.

And MS could have had great first party support themselves, the problem is they didn´t care and one developer after another went to shit.

what am I reading.

 

[Doffen]

The problem is that they don´t even try anymore, it may be satisfying for some to play the same three franchises over and over again but i need some variety.

And MS could have had great first party support themselves, the problem is they didn´t care and one developer after another went to shit.

You listed Journey. Why don't you go ahead and do a little research on XBLA?

So, umpteen threads and thousands of posts later, are we any closer to knowing what the 720 will offer?

Netflix.

 

[AOC83]

You listed Joruney. Why don't you go ahead and do a little research on XBLA?

Journey is exclusive, most of the XBox Live stuff isn´t. There is a big difference between actually publishing/creating something and just giving a publisher/developer money to not release their game on PS3.

 

[Baconsammy]

Don´t derail the discussion, it´s pretty much set in stone that these games are going to have a at least decent quality. So what about the new MS Ips?

I can't put into words how bad that statement is. So I'll let Rafa do it for me:

 

[Alx]

The problem is that they don´t even try anymore, it may be satisfying for some to play the same three franchises over and over again but i need some variety.

I don't even play the MS franchises, and I get all the variety I need. At this point of the generation, first party games barely matter, the studios are mostly focused on what's coming next.
(and by the way, as far as variety is concerned, kinect has been a breath of fresh air, but that's just me...)

 

[Bgamer90]

I disagree. Sony hasn't been nearly as pro-active as Microsoft has been in adding apps.

The list they (quickly) showed at the PS4 conference had a good number of media apps and I'm pretty sure that the number will just grow as the years go by.

The difference though is that MS seems to be aiming more to have cable TV apps. ESPN being on Xbox alone is pretty huge for cord cutters.

So overall -- I still feel that both will have many apps. I just think that MS will have ones that are more appealing to general consumers though (in America at least).

 

[Nutter]

Journey is exclusive, most of the XBox Live stuff isn´t.

LOL

Its amazing what people see and believe with the fanboy goggles on.

 

[DrFurbs]

I read yesterday some where the new Xbox won't have bluray. Surely that can't be true.

 

[Uno Venova]

I don't even play the MS franchises, and I get all the variety I need. At this point of the generation, first party games barely matter, the studios are mostly focused on what's coming next.
(and by the way, as far as variety is concerned, kinect has been a breath of fresh air, but that's just me...)

That's why I would love them to build up their portfolio, if they devs move on to next gen, there's barely any left for this gen.

I read yesterday some where the new Xbox won't have bluray. Surely that can't be true.

Don't think it will, edge and vgleaks over everyone else.

 

[Sobriquet]

Don´t derail the discussion, it´s pretty much set in stone that these games are going to have a at least decent quality. So what about the new MS Ips?

Are you referring to the alleged four unannounced new IPs?

 

[AOC83]

I can't put into words how bad that statement is. So I'll let Rafa do it for me:

So you got nothing, doesn´t surprise me.

 

[Uno Venova]

Are you referring to the alleged four unannounced new IPs?

That's next gen though I believe, they haven't done much new at the tail end of this one, I think that's what he means.

 

[LycanXIII]

Why are so many acting like this is just MS?

Sony wants the same goal with the PS4. Don't let talking points during conferences and differences in advertising fool you.

Heck-- same is true with the Wii U in some ways but it'll be closer to a "pure gaming console" than the PS4 or Next Xbox will be.

Wasn't the PS3 motto "It only does everything?"

 

[Doffen]

There is a big difference between actually publishing/creating something and just giving a publisher/developer money to not release their game on PS3.

So why did you list Journey and Beyond: two souls?

 

[Syphon Filter]

For me as long as i get crackdown 3,perfect dark 2 and new ips i don't care what they do with the apps as i can just ignore them.

 

[statham]

Journey is exclusive, most of the XBox Live stuff isn´t. There is a big difference between actually publishing/creating something and just giving a publisher/developer money to not release their game on PS3.

we will see if that stays exclusive. their next game won't for sure

Many of you have asked what’s coming up next for TGC and whether our games can be played on other platforms. I have good news for you.

Today I am pleased to announce thatgamecompany has raised funding to develop and release our games independently. This enables us to bring our games to more platforms and provide our players the highest quality experience at every point of contact.

 

[BlackJace]

What AOC83 doesn't understand is that MS has made their appeal by being the bastion of the third party support. Look at the list for this year. They are getting EVERYTHING. Third party games have historically run better on the platform too.

While I wish they would branch out a little in terms of their first party, I can respect that they have found an appeal.

Sony's first parties aren't that appealing to me, so while I can also respect them for branching out, I don't really think its worthy of the endless cheerleading that occurs because of it.

 

[Nutter]

Dismissing a title because its requires Kinect is amazingly stupid yet prevalent on GAF sadly.

 

[BlackJace]

Oh wow, they're both gone. Now we can get back to a sane level of discourse.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Sweet relief by the hands of the mods. The bickering and list wars got old fast.

 

[L1NETT]

For me as long as i get crackdown 3,perfect dark 2 and new ips i don't care what they do with the apps as i can just ignore them.

Yeah as a gamer I agree with this. (Plus Alan Wake 2 and Dead Rising 3 though)

But it is pretty clear that the 720 is going to a do a lot more than play games. If (a big if) MS can the games right, then I am excited. If they lean too heavily on twitch, twitter and other such carry on then the PS4 might be the way to go. Big couple of months for Microsoft.

As for the always online thing, they must know that very few people (if any?) want it.

 

[NintendoRev]

I'm entirely sick of this "no used games" nonsense with every console rumor lately. Blergh.

 

[EagleBurnn]

Dismissing a title because its requires Kinect is amazingly stupid yet prevalent on GAF sadly.

"Dude, we need an excuse to say 360 exclusives suck. We don't play them so it's hard, but some of them like Foza 4 and Halo Anniversary have Kinect features that no one uses. That'll work..."

 

[Glorified G]

Dismissing a title because its requires Kinect is amazingly stupid yet prevalent on GAF sadly.

I agree. People are morons for exercising other options and deciding to opt out of using a controlled method they're not interested in.

GAF these days. smh.

 

[Nutter]

Yeah as a gamer I agree with this. (Plus Alan Wake 2 and Dead Rising 3 though)

But it is pretty clear that the 720 is going to a do a lot more than play games. If (a big if) MS can the games right, then I am excited. If they lean too heavily on twitch, twitter and other such carry on then the PS4 might be the way to go. Big couple of months for Microsoft.

As for the always online thing, they must know that very few people (if any?) want it.

But IF they get those games and still push heavy on the Apps. Why would that deter you?

 

[OldJadedGamer]

nvm,

 

[soulassssns]

Fanboys always ruin threads.

Some comments remind me alot of N4G.

So sad....

 

[L1NETT]

But IF they get those games and still push heavy on the Apps. Why would that deter you?

Yeah that's my point (sorry if it wasn't clear ) If they get the games, they the Apps are fine. But, if their focus is the Apps, they might focus on the games.

 

[Uno Venova]

nvm

 

[Y2Kev]

anyone not get the message

 

[statham]

I'm entirely sick of this "no used games" nonsense with every console rumor lately. Blergh.

not every one.
http://www.gamingcapacity.com/xbox-720-wont-block-used-games-source-says/

I got the message Y2Kev.

 

[EagleBurnn]

not every one.
http://www.gamingcapacity.com/xbox-720-wont-block-used-games-source-says/

I got the message Y2Kev.

With almost every game journalism site reporting that the Xbox ’720′ will not allow used games to be played on the console, it’s easy to start believing it. These sites however all report the exact same information with just a few of the usual tweaks to make the story seem unique, all while citing the same original source.

Perfect.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

not every one.
http://www.gamingcapacity.com/xbox-720-wont-block-used-games-source-says/

I got the message Y2Kev.

Never heard of this site so I'm not sure how reliable they are but let's hope that's true. Let's hope this means no online connectivity required as well.

 

[RayMaker]

Almost every rumor that come out about this console makes it sound like the most anti-consumer device to ever hit the industry. If any of it is true, I feel like the Durango is the manifestation of what Microsoft wanted all along. Video games were just the pathway to the living room. A complete reliance on Xbox Live is the plan (which, by the way, I expect another price hike in the not too distant future).

Microsoft is daring enough to try this sort of thing because they already know gamers are weak-willed enough to fall for it. Gamers bitch and moan about microtransactions and pre-order exclusives one day, then justify their "begrudging" support of the practices the next. PC gamers outright rejected paying Microsoft to play online and MS backed down and removed the fee. If console gamers had done the same, they wouldn't be so brazen with some of their choices. Instead, people are tied to the system that their friends are on, even if they have to pay extra for it.

I'm clearly not a fan of Microsoft's direction. My biggest concern is how the rest of the industry reacts to whatever anti-consumer tech is in the Durango.

xbox live has not become the no.1 console online platform just because people's friends are on it, it is the more successful online service because it is better then PS3's.

Next gen Microsoft will have to demonstrate why there service is worth paying for and the most enjoyable to use.

If its no better then the free PS4 service I doubht many will get an xbox out of brand loyalty, and if there friends do have a durango or PS4 its the quality of the online serivce/games/value that will get them to buy it in the first place.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

xbox live has not become the no.1 console online platform just because people's friends are on it, it is the more successful online service because it is better then PS3's.

Next gen Microsoft will have to demonstrate why there service is worth paying for and the most enjoyable to use.

If its no better then the free PS4 service I doubht many will get an xbox out of brand loyalty, and if there friends do have a durango or PS4 its the quality of the online serivce/games/value that will get them to buy it in the first place.

That's why new generations are so awesome, they have to fight to the death for our gaming dollar.

 

[Alx]

Never heard of this site so I'm not sure how reliable they are but let's hope that's true. Let's hope this means no online connectivity required as well.

Whether it's true or not, I suppose in the end we'll all get a lesson about gaming journalism, rumors and what to believe (since we have opposite claims attributed to "trusted insiders").

 

[Shinjiru]

Sweet relief by the hands of the mods. The bickering and list wars got old fast.

Agreed.

This fanboy nonsense is ridiculous.

 

[Reiko]

Never heard of this site so I'm not sure how reliable they are but let's hope that's true. Let's hope this means no online connectivity required as well.

SuperDaE who has breached Microsoft's servers (While getting a crapton of MS documents) and got into serious trouble with them, also said always online isn't true.

At E3 we'll get a clearer picture.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Fanboys always ruin threads.

Some comments remind me alot of N4G.

So sad....

I shouldn't of deleted the pms I got on N4G but I remember one

"You better stop saying shit about PS3 or else"

All I said was I wish PSN would have voice messaging

 

[digoutyoursoul]

SuperDaE who has breached Microsoft's servers (While getting a crapton of MS documents) and got into serious trouble with them, also said always online isn't true.

At E3 we'll get a clearer picture.

Hopefully and a worldwide release later this year too

 

[Killthee]

Never heard of this site so I'm not sure how reliable they are but let's hope that's true. Let's hope this means no online connectivity required as well.

This was the same site we were talking about a few pages ago. This is what their source is saying:

• While no confirmation on an announcement date, E3 will be “Party Central” in the Xbox booth
• The new ’720′ will have 3x the processing speed of the current 360
• No hard release date but it looks like Holiday 2013
• 2 launch versions. 320 GB Arcade / 500 GB Pro. Exact pricing is unknown
• 1 TB HDD available as a separate purchase
• It will not include Blu-Ray
• No picture was available as prototype consoles are packaged in a 360 slim case to “avoid complications” about the design until announcement
• Tech Specs; AMD eight-core x64 1.6GHz CPU, Direct3d 11.x 800MHz GPU, and 8GB of DDR3 RAM
• Xbox Smartglass is still a feature in use
• No word on Kinect 2.0
• No word on “Immersive” technology being implemented

http://www.gamingcapacity.com/xbox-720-info-revealed-by-inside-source/

 

[Glorified G]

SuperDaE who has breached Microsoft's servers (While getting a crapton of MS documents) and got into serious trouble with them, also said always online isn't true.

At E3 we'll get a clearer picture.

In the Kotaku article where he supplied the docs, he said nothing about whether it is true or not, but according to Kotaku's own source, it is.

"SuperDaE, for example, offered nothing about the machine's name nor the look of the console or controller. He said nothing about the idea of the new Xbox requiring a constant online connection, something most recently reported by the respected Edge magazine. (One reliable Kotaku source has told us it's true, though, again, plans can change and the strictness of that online requirement—would it tolerate a spotty signal?—remains unclear.)"