The press could just be confusing it with these low power modes? It'll be "always on",but not have the drm thing. The only way I see this is if they're angling to be the console version of steam. And if that's your aim, you gotta start somewhere. You'll lose some folks, but you likely lock in the folks you do have. Everyone claims everyone is chasing apple. They may be trying to be the apple of consoles. Maybe windows 8 across everything is their attempt at it.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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The press could just be confusing it with these low power modes? It'll be "always on",but not have the drm thing. The only way I see this is if they're angling to be the console version of steam. And if that's your aim, you gotta start somewhere. You'll lose some folks, but you likely lock in the folks you do have. Everyone claims everyone is chasing apple. They may be trying to be the apple of consoles. Maybe windows 8 across everything is their attempt at it.
I'm still day one for the next Xbox. All the franchises I care about will be on the Xbox. All my friends are on Xbox Live. I have kids, so an improved Kinect will be great. I use my Xbox to watch movies and TV as well, so media center functions are welcome. My Xbox is always connected to the Internet anyway, so always online makes zero difference to me.
As much as all the Gaffers hate the direction Microsoft is rumored to be going, it makes a lot of sense for a lot of families and average people. I'm probably the most hard-core gamer I know, but I'm still probably considered casual to anyone here.
I'm also not worried about any of Microsoft's first-party offerings. They may not release as many as Sony, but they will continue to release AAA properties like Halo and Forza. People around here act as though the next Xbox won't even play games.
I know most here are disappointed in the direction Microsoft seems to be heading, and you're certainly entitled to feel that way, but I think you're going to find yourselves in the minority of Microsoft's overall target.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
that's what people don't seem to understand. They keep saying "my internet is fine no big deal". They don't realize that if something happens on the other end you can't play your game...even if it's single player. The launch of big games will be disastrous Diablo 3 style.
It's by far the worst thing that could be put in that console.
It'll especially be bad during big game launches or days with huge influxes of new users, launch day, Christmas, etc. I actually understand them doing the rumored disk watermarking used game prevention more than I understand always online.
RustyNails
Member
I like the fact that Microsoft is pushing what means "entertainment" rather than remaining in the confines of established boundaries. In MS view, entertainment is 24/7 connectivity and inter-connectedness between all components of entertainment systems. This reminds you of Sony being the lone pioneer about using CD as a media in the world of Cartridges. MS sees a vision and props to them for wanting to make it happen. I'm still not sure if this gen is the gen to push this. Maybe if they waited out one more generation, when Google becomes our overlord and provides connectivity to the remotest of towns in Idaho, then it would've made more sense business wise. BUT, MS focus is not complete world domination it seems. They want the middle-class suburbia as their target group. You know, where the kids can play the new Halo, use Kinect to pause and send a message using xbla to their friend that they have to leave, then close the system, hop in mom's SUV and use the screen in the backseat to reply to the message and maybe finish an online-puzzle and unlock a weapon.
Iorv3th
Member
They haven't even announced anything yet and you are already sold on it? Now I by far have used the 360 the most this gen, have friends on live and prefer it for multiplat games and online services. However next gen is going to be a whole new ball game. Microsoft is going to have to impress not just me, but all of my friends as well otherwise that reason becomes null.
If your friends decide PS4 over Nextbox what will you be doing?
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
If the rumors are true about always online, MS should rethink their strategy after the Sim City fiasco. Plus, not everyone can/wants to be online with a console. This gen I personally felt the 360 was my console of choice but that may not be the case with their next one if they pull this.
I guarantee that MS is watching that whole situation thinking 'how much can we get away with?'
It's never too early to push connectivity and a unified experience. It is too early to push DD-only and always online (debatably that's never a good thing) though.
This is like some kind of weird run on PR mumbo jumbo that I just don't understand.
I had the original Xbox and the 360. Why should I not be interested in the next one? And your question could be turned around on almost every poster in this thread.
They haven't even announced anything yet and you've already decided it's shit?
I won't pretend that once it's revealed there won't be something that turns me off, but I have no reason to believe that will happen as of now. So yeah, I'm planning on getting one Day One.
Baconsammy
Banned
The Sim City situation is bad. Extrapolate that to include every single game everyone owns on the next Xbox. There ya go, Microsoft. Reason #1 not to do something as stupid as always-connected gaming.
As for pushing non-gaming, they're all doing it. Microsoft is far more competent at it, thus it looks like that's all they care about. Check game sales the past few years. Clearly the 360 isn't in need of games. To assert otherwise is blind idiocy. Nintendo is at the bottom end of the spectrum. TVii was their big push to get into people's media centers as something other than a game playing machine. Reggie said it would change how the world watches TV. I think we're a hundred or so updates away from that becoming a reality. Sony's more interested in checking off boxes than anything else: games- check, microphone included in every box - got it, kinect-esque camera - yep got that now, waggle sticks - yup, lots of media apps - check. Their problem as always will be focus and communication of that focus.
As for pushing non-gaming, they're all doing it. Microsoft is far more competent at it, thus it looks like that's all they care about. Check game sales the past few years. Clearly the 360 isn't in need of games. To assert otherwise is blind idiocy. Nintendo is at the bottom end of the spectrum. TVii was their big push to get into people's media centers as something other than a game playing machine. Reggie said it would change how the world watches TV. I think we're a hundred or so updates away from that becoming a reality. Sony's more interested in checking off boxes than anything else: games- check, microphone included in every box - got it, kinect-esque camera - yep got that now, waggle sticks - yup, lots of media apps - check. Their problem as always will be focus and communication of that focus.
FunnyBunny
Member
Halo 4, Forza Horizon and several great publishing deals on XBLA say otherwise.
The 360 is a strong platform for games and Microsoft has out out high quality content. It's not always quantity, but it's quality.
RustyNails
Member
I'm glad you think I'm MS fanboy, because I've never owned an xbox.
IsntChrisL
Member
Almost every rumor that come out about this console makes it sound like the most anti-consumer device to ever hit the industry. If any of it is true, I feel like the Durango is the manifestation of what Microsoft wanted all along. Video games were just the pathway to the living room. A complete reliance on Xbox Live is the plan (which, by the way, I expect another price hike in the not too distant future).
Microsoft is daring enough to try this sort of thing because they already know gamers are weak-willed enough to fall for it. Gamers bitch and moan about microtransactions and pre-order exclusives one day, then justify their "begrudging" support of the practices the next. PC gamers outright rejected paying Microsoft to play online and MS backed down and removed the fee. If console gamers had done the same, they wouldn't be so brazen with some of their choices. Instead, people are tied to the system that their friends are on, even if they have to pay extra for it.
I'm clearly not a fan of Microsoft's direction. My biggest concern is how the rest of the industry reacts to whatever anti-consumer tech is in the Durango.
Microsoft is daring enough to try this sort of thing because they already know gamers are weak-willed enough to fall for it. Gamers bitch and moan about microtransactions and pre-order exclusives one day, then justify their "begrudging" support of the practices the next. PC gamers outright rejected paying Microsoft to play online and MS backed down and removed the fee. If console gamers had done the same, they wouldn't be so brazen with some of their choices. Instead, people are tied to the system that their friends are on, even if they have to pay extra for it.
I'm clearly not a fan of Microsoft's direction. My biggest concern is how the rest of the industry reacts to whatever anti-consumer tech is in the Durango.
Baconsammy
Banned
Until the server farm that you ping to access your games goes down. Normally that would simply mean we're restricted to playing offline temporarily. If the rumor is true, it would mean we wouldn't be able to play at all. I doubt they're that nuts, but I fear they are.
Vicetrailia
Banned
He didn't say it was shit. You don't actually have a plan either, you just have faith in a brand and choose to commit irregardless. No big deal, but it is what it is.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Not everyone can or is willing to connect a console online. There are a lot of people who still use consoles offline.
Exactly, and it's not like XBOX Live servers have never gone down.
If by philosophy you mean advertising then yes, more than likely.
MS will more than likely advertise the Next Xbox in a more general mainstream audience way since it makes way more sense from
a business standpoint. That doesn't mean though that the Next Xbox will have a big difference in comparison to the PS4 when it comes to games.
weekend_warrior
Banned
What you are basing your speculation on though? You're just saying things while completely ignoring what's been happening the last few years and what the rumors suggest. Look at the past few E3's, who's been more focused on games and who's been more focused on other forms of media? Look at the rumors and what's been announced so far- Sony came out and spent almost 2 hours talking about games and developers, and about 5 minutes to maintains it will have other services. While rumors of MS show a much more media focused system.
Everything is just speculation at this point, but there's speculation based on facts, and speculation based on ignorance- like what you're doing.
I don't mind the massive focus on kinect and the approach of being an entertainment hub. Really, i don't, its a good marketing approach and it can change gaming at how we look at consoles.
But always online and no used games sounds unreal to me. Used games would be major turnoff to everyone but on the plus side, piracy would be massively burned. Drm is complete horseshit though, nothing is good about it.
But always online and no used games sounds unreal to me. Used games would be major turnoff to everyone but on the plus side, piracy would be massively burned. Drm is complete horseshit though, nothing is good about it.
Alx
Member
There's a difference between what's displayed onstage at E3, and what's released on the market. For all their talk about kinect and services, MS never stopped releasing and supporting traditional games. Maybe the communication has been partly dedicated to "kinect features", but the support, both first and third party, never stopped.
Actually for all the differences between their E3 presentation, Sony was the one having the least "core" games during the last semester of 2012.
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I don't understand this logic. Seriously. MS announced plenty of games and support at E3.
Sony on the other hand neglected the vita.
The Albatross
Member
I don't get the mentality that if the system runs ancillary services, like movies, music, Netflix, Amazon streaming, skype, and so on, that it's somehow less of a gaming system. For one, a ton of value was added to this generation's consoles from ancillary services -- at any given time if I have 10 friends online, 9 of them are doing something other than gaming on the XBox. You rarely hear people complain about PC gaming and PC's due to their "ancillary" features, like photo editing or coding... So I don't get why "gamers" denigrate a console for having added functionality, that in almost every way does not get in the way of gaming. And if you feel that those do get in the way of gaming (say, like having a Dashboard that has non-gaming stuff on it), use your console just like how you used a PS2 or N64, booting straight to the game on the disc, instead of booting into the dashboard first. Then you won't have to ever see any of those things.
Baconsammy
Banned
Sales figures the past few years back this up. 360 retail games continue to do huge numbers. XBLA has several million + sellers. How many million+ sellers does PSN have? The assertion that 360 the past few years is inferior when it comes to games is silly. Unless not having a string of mediocre, poor-selling exclusives is a bad thing. If Microsoft's policy changes are such that people are less apt to adopt the new console, though, they're going to have some serious issues. Core gamers are more apt to buy consoles at launch, which is why I like Sony's current focus more than I like the rumored approach Microsoft is taking.
So damn true. Lol
Baconsammy
Banned
Isn't the PS3 the most used console for Netflix? Damn you Sony and your lack of focus on gaming! *shakesfist*
What does this matter? Sony is still releasing games for their hardware, that´s the difference.
Baconsammy
Banned
So is Microsoft. And they're also releasing better media apps than Sony is. That's the actual difference.
Rehashes of the same 3 franchises, over and over again. Amazing.
Manmademan
Member
that's because microsoft requires xbox live gold to use netflix, and wii sales fell through the floor.
EagleBurnn
Banned
Nearly 100% of these "always online" rumors come from Edge...just saying.
Baconsammy
Banned
Yeah, because slapping Little Big Planet on top of the god-awful Mod Nation Racing engine is awesome! Which iteration of God of War is it that's releasing next week?
Yes, actually. All the Forza games and Halo games are amazing.
Resistance 3? Killzone 3? GT6? This is a dumb argument. All the consoles pump out sequels to their top franchises.
Would I like a Heavy Rain on 360? Yes, but I had Alan Wake, which was awesome. And a buttload of great arcade games.
Yea lets not mentions TLOU an Beyond: two souls that are coming to the end of the ps3 cycle.
That is true, SONY do have a lot of sequels BUT they also make new IPs and a variety of games.
No, but The Last of Us, Beyond, Journey, and loads of other new IPs created in the last years.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
In the prayer circle for this shit not to be true.
Yeah because Sony only has these 3 franchises.
Baconsammy
Banned
So no new IPs on 360 the past few years, eh? Are you catching on yet to how stupid this line of reasoning is?
Well, we can work with a much shorter version: Microsofts gaming division has mostly gone to shit in the last 4 years.
Does this ever get tiring, even for you?
What new Ips have they put out in the last 4 years? Quality games, not the Kinect garbage.
However steam isn't always online and have great sales.