Used games fund new games. It is not complicated.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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Used games fund new games. It is not complicated.
commanderpepper
Member
I really hope there is more to this console.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Someone explain this. People still play PC games. Steam is making a ton of money with no used games.
Wait. How?
Yes you are in the minority here. I care more about the always online thing really, even if my internet rarely goes out that doesn't mean I always want to use it.
Hot Coldman
Banned
this sounds dumb as shiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttt
at least they've got blu-ray now
at least they've got blu-ray now
Domcorleone
Member
You mean like how the PS3 created a ton of goodwill among the enthusiast gamers who make up the majority of early adopters who would flock to Sony by offering free online multiplayer, region-free gaming, full backwards compatibility, and the option to install linux? Did that create enough momentum to make the PS3 the console of choice for the mainstream brogamers? I think not!
Five hundred ninety-nine US dollars.
EdibleExplosives
Member
I barely ever buy second-hand games but I still think it's ridiculous to block them. It probably wouldn't stop me buying the console though, but always online would.
The physicality of a product argument is mute, it's still your money that you have given for a product. Whatever you do with it is your choice and no one can tell you otherwise.
You mean like how the PS3 created a ton of goodwill among the enthusiast gamers who make up the majority of early adopters who would flock to Sony by offering free online multiplayer, region-free gaming, full backwards compatibility, and the option to install linux? Did that create enough momentum to make the PS3 the console of choice for the mainstream brogamers? I think not!
This is going to impact brogamers a lot more than all those, since you're basically eliminating friends borrowing games from each other (again, unless they make a way to specifically do that in XBL with someone on your friends list).
you wouldn't download a car.
anyway, if true this is suicide. I'll have to not own all 3 consoles for the first time since SNES era. This is crazy. I need confirmation!
Glass Rebel
Member
And cheaper. PC's cost 20k on average.
It will have little impact on me (I never sell games and only buy used games that are no longer available new), but it is a pretty fucking bleak practise that I will not condone.
Pirates aren't even part of the market, used games buyers enable money to go in the system that goes into new games also providing a margin so that B&M stores can function and stock the games that pubishers want to sell.
The mental gymnastic to equate used games and piracy is some of the most amazing I've seen this side of the olympic even of mental gymnastic.
Mortimer Brewster
Member
You mean like how the PS3 created a ton of goodwill among the enthusiast gamers who make up the majority of early adopters who would flock to Sony by offering free online multiplayer, region-free gaming, full backwards compatibility, and the option to install linux? Did that create enough momentum to make the PS3 the console of choice for the mainstream brogamers? I think not!
599$ USD and launching a year late with a poor launch lineup on a piece of hardware that proved difficult to develop for hurt them more then all those other things could help. The horrific marketing at the start sure didn't help either.
I buy used games sometimes, if it is a lot cheaper than buying new. Craigslist is your friend on that aspect. It is nice to be able to sell games to Amazon too, I have done that countless times.
The steam thing has been discussed to death in this thread. Right now it is like apples to oranges. Steam games are consistently much cheaper than their console counterparts.
This is my main concern. Retail only has so much shelf space, out with the old - in with the new. I can't expect gamestop or anyplace else to fully stock new games through the lifespan of the console, and once games start to go out of print... Say goodbye to the playable copies of that game.
MS got away with an entire generation of charging a monthly fee for what is basically a free service everywhere else. While I personally hope that there would be a huge backlash, I feel the reality of the situation is that there will be a lot of noise at first, but then consumers will mostly just adapt as they always have, with reduced rights and less benefits, just to play the casual entertainment they want.
Are we certain it's not going to be the same this time wrong? Doesn't seem like Sony learned much from the PSP -> Vita transition imo. That's the main concern I feel. Any goodwill Sony has always seems to be evaporated by poor business decisions or a shit lineup.
Exactly. This is why it doesn't make sense to do this, at least not right now. I know Microsoft doesn't seem to know what to do in terms of pleasing consumers usually, but they do understand business, and they have to know this is a terrible idea, short-term and long-term. It just doesn't add-up. I don't think this is going to happen next generation.
grimshawish
Banned
You sell your game. You now have money to buy new. The money goes upawards. To the pubkisher and retailer.
Surely there would be some impact on the business side though?
I think in Europe and Japan it'll be pretty hard felt. In the US/UK sales would still naturally decline.
Problem will be the games released for everyone who simple spends less. We'll be in licenced heaven. Suppose it might mean a good Bond game.
Aquamarine
Member
This is exactly me in a nutshell.
I'm also concerned about preservation. I want to be able to play Xbox 720 games twenty years from now.
If the games are new-only, we sure as hell won't get that chance.
? People can most definitely tell you otherwise. And I never alluded to physicality? You own only a license whether you buy a physical or digital copy.
Me too I buy games new anyways,my first and only rental is going to be DS3.
price.
as I sai earlier, if any of this is true then MS has to have a strategy for pricing games on the nextBox.
second hands games are what built the gaming industry.
New games were kings and architects.
Used games were peasants and slaves.
You need both to build a Pyramid or a gaming industry.
MS can't brute force change, but they may have a solution to switch to a new paradigm.
As far as i'm concerned I'm eager for more episodic something. to keep me entertained regularly. especially considering how most AAA games are very linear and rely on MP modes to show off (or fail at) their replay entertainment value.
I'm mostly SP.
So episodic SP something with an always on community MP mode for my favorite games can be done without relying on disc based, SP+MP games.
LOL, well played.
People sell games, use the money to buy new games. Without the ability to sell their old games, they will have less money available to buy new games.
Seriously. The backtracking will be epic if this is true and Sony follows suit lol.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Aren't DVDs and CDs prevented from resale? Why do only games get exempted from this? It definitely hurts the industry
Well, if that's what the industry wants, I guess I want to see more straw-hatted arguments for failing sales expectations. Fuck, I'd love to see a crash for such an entitled industry if they want to trample over consumers.
It isn't only second hand. You cant take your games to your friends and play there. You can't borrow games or lend them. That is also the impact of no second hand games.
phosphor112
Banned
Technically, you can only access the store and friends lists without Gold, meaning XBL is shit without paying.
Yes, this is one place were PS4 may not follow suit, I hope. Or they could remove the functional requirement for emerging markets (which fragments the base but not on a performance level). I think the online only has to do with preventing hacking.
I think their tactics may be reactionary to consumer response. Digital distribution is perhaps the one true way that curbs second hand games sales, like Steam, and yet remains palatable to consumers.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
yup. Software and price. Everything else is/will be secondary.
dragonfart28
Banned
If this is true for both Sony and MS then Nintendo has a pretty good shot at No. 1
Crazyorloco
Member
No second hand games for Sony's next gen system either.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506560
This is one situation where Nintendo's staying in the past, is actually benefiting us. But the way things are Nintendo will likely come up with something to prevent second hand sales as well. This next gen is going to be interesting.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506560
This is one situation where Nintendo's staying in the past, is actually benefiting us. But the way things are Nintendo will likely come up with something to prevent second hand sales as well. This next gen is going to be interesting.
Cyborg
Member
Well said....People forget easy
Good points, I think a lot of people overlook these.
3rdamention
Member
Wow, if this is true, this is such a crazy collection of features.
- Has a BluRay Player (pretty weird considering Microsoft jumped in with both feet supporting the competitor).
- Has to be online, always...... I hope you have an Internet Connection.
- No Second Hand Games? Sony has been rumored to be considering this as well. Now maybe Sony changes their mind? It would be a decent sales pitch.
Buy a $60 game.
Play and finish it.
Sell it for $30-$40*.
Add $20 and buy a new game.
How is that complicated?
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
i also don't give a shit. i'm worried with the "always online" bit though.
According to the EU law you can sell both though.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I don't particularly care about "second-hand games." I almost never buy used. I *do* care a lot about swapping discs between consoles and playing in an offline setting, though.
WiiU has shit third party support anyways.
Yeah yeah, we know you have rich parents.
Jacksonlee
Member
shit. shit shit shit.
and what the fuck am i to do ?
and what the fuck am i to do ?
The implications of this ruling are far from being settled, no one really knows which way ECJ will go in a similar but different situation
In a vacuum this does't make much sense. But the always online, no second hand games line of thinking makes me think that MS will be pushing for a subscription model with the next Xbox. It's likely the only way such a thing would work.
As some have said before $99 for the unit and then a 24 month contract like a mobile phone that locks you into buying brand new games.
Partnered with some cable operator for other functions such as TV or VOD it actually makes sense.
As some have said before $99 for the unit and then a 24 month contract like a mobile phone that locks you into buying brand new games.
Partnered with some cable operator for other functions such as TV or VOD it actually makes sense.
Me neither. I quite like the sound of it actually.