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[Mortimer Brewster]

Some think that third parties will abandon Sony if it doesn't do it as well.

Maybe temporarily but if Sony was smart and forward thinking they would refuse the third party demands and launch Orbis without all that nonsense. It would create a ton of goodwill among the enthusiast gamers who make up the majority of early adopters who would flock to Sony. That would create enough momentum to make the the Orbis the console of choice for the mainstream brogamers when they finally come over to the next gen a year or two after launch. At that point if Sony has the a massive base, theThird Parties would have to suck it up and throw their full support behind Sony.


Of course this is all predicated on Sony having the courage and the progressive mindset to actually take this stance and they would need to come this fall with all their First Party guns blazing.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Where do you find that right?

Europe.

 

[Fake Charlemagne]

I don't want to believe they'd be this stupid, because seriously the only thing the competition would have to say is "We allow used games, &c." and they'd have an instant edge. Seriously they're digging their own grave if true.

 

[Big Papa Husker]

No used games? Fuck you MS! Sony here I come!

 

[Ysiadmihi]

LOL just when you think the Next Gen Hype Train is calming down after that bumpy corner IT FALLS OFF THE DAMN CLIFF.

Haha this article is total bullshit people.

Phew. Thank god that's cleared up.

 

[Elginer]

Could it not be possible for MS to sell you a new code that will allow you to play a second hand disk. The retailer could buy new codes from MS to put in with second hand copies. This would keep both retailer and MS happy.

Something similar is done with second hand games to unlock multiplayer etc at the moment.

If this DOES indeed happen, I see this happening as well. They kiss GameStops ass too much for exclusive DLC and stuff to completely cut them off. And you better believe that if MS is doing this, so is Sony to make third parties happy.

 

[Deadly Joker]

If Sony does this too then I'm out.

I will just quit gaming altogether and become more into movies and tv shows. Fuck this industry.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

I'm still fine with the used games thing, although I don't think it's true. Always online is fine by me too.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

No used games? Fuck you MS! Sony here I come!

Oh dear.

 

[Crazyorloco]

Wow I guess a crazy amount of money was lost due to second-hand games. I don't like this future...

Poor Gamespot. They are going to collapse.


Well guys the Wii U is looking nicer today.

Edit* Gamestop. I still get them confused.

 

[Fess]

I don't believe this.
But if true. Bye bye MS for me.

 

[Dead Man]

Where do you find that right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

The problem is that it was never applied to digital goods, but when the digital goods rely on a physical good it just leads to ridiculous situations. There is no reason digital goods on physical mediums should not be subject to first sale. Once you sell it you no longer have the use of it unlike DRM free digital only products.

I think they will do this, based on the DRM effect for Ubisoft titles.

But how they can really shoot themselves in the foot: online features tied to gold sub. Once you lose sub, all your games stop working.

$$$$

LOL, would not surprise me in the least.

 

[Midas]

Considering the Wii U has had no indication of this happening I'm not sure if third parties are pushing that hard.

Well, there are no third party games for Wii U? That's what I've been told by GAF!

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Xbox Live is free.

I'm almost intrigued to hear the justification behind this. The benevolence of Microsoft allowing my console to receive a Wi-Fi signal for no extra charge!

Spoiler

I mean, y'know, apart from that £60 Wi-Fi adapter I bought

 

[Biggzy]

Don't kid yourself.

Well technically it is. I can connect to the service without paying a dime. Xbox Live Gold is not as everyone knows.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

I want to see 'games journalism' spin this into a positive.

 

[Aquamarine]

No used games? Fuck you MS! Sony here I come!

Sony's going to have it too. They have NOT ONLY an anti-used-game patent, but they've already put the wheels into motion with the online pass bullshit.

 

[Router]

I'd really hate someone telling me that I can't sell my car to buy another one.

 

[Beelzebubs]

The only way I could see this being true is if Microsoft would sell on unlock codes to retailers for games.

When a game is traded in it must have the activation code, MS then block that code from the old linked account and issue a new one at the retailer for a scalable charge dependant on age of game

This would give Microsoft and publishers more money from the 2nd hand market which they currently get none of and still allow shops like Gamestop to operate (albeit less profitably). It would also mean more newer sales of games would happen which may offset Gamestops loss on 2nd hand gaming.

 

[Inversive]

bye bye MS, we hardly knew you

 

[Delio]

Considering the Wii U has had no indication of this happening I'm not sure if third parties are pushing that hard.

But people harp that the WiiU has no third party support. What is this was the cause?

 

[Necrovex]

I won't believe it until Microsoft say it.

It's an easy rumour because it's so widely feared.

I have to keep telling myself it is a rumor. I don't want consoles to take this dark and disgusting turn!

 

[Boss Man]

Honestly, if it dropped the price of games signicantly ($35-$40 new) I wouldn't be too upset. But that shit is not going to happen, and either way I still don't like it. If I buy a game I should be able to play, or trade, it however I want.

 

[Petrie]

PC gaming and classic games for me if this actually happens.

There are enough games in existence combined with Steam that I really don't need anything more. Their loss.

 

[Animator]

All those "if this is true I am building a PC!" posts remind me of the "I am moving to Canada if Obamacare passes" posts.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Considering the Wii U has had no indication of this happening I'm not sure if third parties are pushing that hard.

Nah, the discussion probably went something like this.

Mysterious Big Publisher: Nintendo, block used game sales by requiring internet activation.
Iwata: What's this internet?
Mysterious Big Publisher: Nevermind.
Iwata: (laughs)

 

[EdwardTivrusky]

That argument is not true though. Besides the steam sales every now and then, steam is a rip off. That doesn't look cheap to me? I can get it cheaper on ps3.

Shop around. Steam isn't the only place to get Steam enabled games.

 

[H3xum]

Honestly, if it dropped the price of games signicantly ($35-$40 new) I wouldn't be too upset. But that shit is not going to happen, and either way I still don't like it. If I buy a game I should be able to play, or trade, it however I want.

There's zero motivation for them to do that. It will never happen. They'll cite "dev costs" and keep the 60 dollar tag

 

[-Cwalat-]

Where do you find that right?

If he wants to sell his game it's his choice. No one can stop him. Why don't car manufacturers do the same?

"Sorry the Audi won't work if you sell it to someone else."

The customers would go crazy and no one would buy it. So why should we expect less from customers of this industry?

I became a gamer pretty much because my older cousin borrowed me old NES games. Borrowing, sharing and selling is an integral part of this industry and in some ways the reason it has thrived.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Because you own it? You bought it? It's yours?

I'd really hate someone telling me that I can't sell my car to buy another one.

But think about the poor game developers who can barely afford food and water for their family :/ MS should really set up a charity to fund their teams.

 

[PBY]

Because you own it? You bought it? It's yours?

I'd really hate someone telling me that I can't sell my car to buy another one.

Technically you own a license, a car is not a piece of digital content. Also, theres a huge difference between something you'd "hate" versus something that is your right.

 

[Nugg]

I'm pretty sure this just means the tech is there, and it'll be up to the publisher to decide if they want to use it or not. So worst case scenario, we'll get online passes even for singleplayer, for the worst offenders (EA/Activision).

Dont get me wrong, this is still awful.

 

[Dead Man]

All those "if this is true I am building a PC!" posts remind me of the "I am moving to Canada if Obamacare passes" posts.

One is much easier than the other though.

 

[thefro]

I'm still fine with the used games thing, although I don't think it's true. Always online is fine by me too.

Not just used games that get sold to Gamestop or something like that, but borrowing a game from one of your friends as well.

 

[lowrider007]

Some people are thinking about his back to front, this isn't a chance for Sony to "dominate the market by catering to fans", this in fact would be the perfect opportunity for Sony to follow suit without being penalised for it, it's obvious that it's something the games industry as a whole wants to happen.

 

[Mortimer Brewster]

That's if both Sony/Microsoft do it, as I could see the other sort of winning by default if enough of the public cares and wants one of their systems. I'd bring up Nintendo, but I do think if they wildly succeed while those two fail it WILL result in something akin to a crash.

It would burn the Western AAA gaming industry to the ground but the indies, the European PC devs and Japan would survive because they've already begun the process of adapting. Steam would remain very vibrant and Nintendo always marches to its own beat anyways.

 

[duckroll]

Maybe temporarily but if Sony was smart and forward thinking they would refuse the third party demands and launch Orbis without all that nonsense. It would create a ton of goodwill among the enthusiast gamers who make up the majority of early adopters who would flock to Sony. That would create enough momentum to make the the Orbis the console of choice for the mainstream brogamers when they finally come over to the next gen a year or two after launch. At that point if Sony has the a massive base, theThird Parties would have to suck it up and throw their full support behind Sony.


Of course this is all predicated on Sony having the courage and the progressive mindset to actually take this stance and they would need to come this fall with all their First Party guns blazing.

You mean like how the PS3 created a ton of goodwill among the enthusiast gamers who make up the majority of early adopters who would flock to Sony by offering free online multiplayer, region-free gaming, full backwards compatibility, and the option to install linux? Did that create enough momentum to make the PS3 the console of choice for the mainstream brogamers? I think not!

 

[Radec]

Considering the Wii U has had no indication of this happening I'm not sure if third parties are pushing that hard.

Well, they probably have no games lined up for the WiiU thats why they cant push anything.

 

[deadlast]

WHAT!? How so?

This is in response to used is worse than piracy.

Because people who are willing spend money on a game are giving Zero to the devs. Pirates aren't willing to spend money. Thus you have the argument of used is worse that piracy.


Good Lord this thread is moving fast...

 

[blade85]

My question is....

How will game rental services (like lovefilms in the UK) work if second hand games wont run at all?

I buy games I really want to buy (or pre-order) and rent those that I wouldnt ever have played otherwise.

 

[HylianTom]

Nah, the discussion probably went something like this.

Mysterious Big Publisher: Nintendo, block used game sales by requiring internet activation.
Iwata: What's this internet?
Mysterious Big Publisher: Nevermind.
Iwata: (laughs)

Okay, I laughed heartily and woke my partner. Well-played.

All those "if this is true I am building a PC!" posts remind me of the "I am moving to Canada if Obamacare passes" posts.

Watch and see - the folks who are whining today will come-up with all sorts of excuses why they'll tolerate these "features" once the machines eventually come out later this year.

MS got away with an entire generation of charging a monthly fee for what is basically a free service everywhere else. While I personally hope that there would be a huge backlash, I feel the reality of the situation is that there will be a lot of noise at first, but then consumers will mostly just adapt as they always have, with reduced rights and less benefits, just to play the casual entertainment they want.

Yup.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Do people really buy that many used games here? Just curious, I know some people can't afford new all the time. I've bought maybe 4 used games this gen. I do get some joy out of being able to sell back games to Amazon, but it wouldn't hurt me if they got rid of used.

Also, do people here not play PC games? There's no used market there and no one is boycotting Steam...

 

[1-D_FTW]

No, but those are different businesses. Since prices are so low (except for BR's to a degree), there's usually smaller incentive to buy used, not to mention the markets targeted and hit make gaming look completely niche, once again likely due to high prices of consoles and games.

That's exactly the point though. The used market isn't evil, it's simply a reflection of the fucked up pricing structure. Eliminating that second-hand subsidy market without addressing the real issue is going to destroy sales. They'll either be forced to slash prices or it'll ruin them. I'm not entirely sold they won't choose ruination either.

Do people really buy that many used games here? Just curious, I know some people can't afford new all the time. I've bought maybe 4 used games this gen. I do get some joy out of being able to sell back games to Amazon, but it wouldn't hurt me if they got rid of used.

Also, do people here not play PC games? There's no used market there and no one is boycotting Steam...

It's more to do with most people aren't collectors. They play and then SELL to subsidize the expensive costs. No one boycotts Steam (anymore), because they ditched the 49.99 for life policy a number of years ago. People don't care about recouping costs if the prices aren't 60 bucks a pop.

 

[Atomski]

My prediction, they release the system at a super low price of around 99$ with a subscription fee of a few years. The always online bit comes as a way to check if the sub has been paid. If not paid the users account will be locked.

They are clearly going in this direction and I imagine the average consumer will jump on one if it is cheap even with a subscription plan.

 

[Domcorleone]

Oh dear.

The funny thing about people saying " Fuck you MS! Sony here I come!" Is that Sony doesn't want them either if all they're going to do is buy used.

I think both consoles will do this. :-(

 

[jj984jj]

If MS and/or Sony actually end up implementing no second-hand games the backlash will be huge.

 

[legacyzero]

Always online? cd key with every game?

nope.

I don't trade often and I sort of want to go digital only next gen but all these things sound horrible already.

>.>

Lol

 

[shintoki]

Nope, nope, nope, nope!

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t give a shit about if they block second-hand games.

 

[ClosingADoor]

My question is....

How will game rental services (like lovefilms in the UK) work if second hand games wont run at all?

I buy games I really want to buy (or pre-order) and rent those that I wouldnt ever have played otherwise.

They won't and would be put out of business.