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[CrunchinJelly]

wait, so playing singleplayer online?

:? where do they come up with this stuff?

PC gaming.

 

[Baron_Calamity]

The only part of this rumor that bothers me is there will be a new kinect.

 

[Marleyman]

Amazing.

 

[abadguy]

And yet Blizzard did it with a game that would easily work offline (Diablo 3) and most games on Steam require a online connection.

Granted you cannot compare PC games that sell to few millions of PC gamers to consoles that are supposed to be sold to 50-100 million people worldwide

I hope it is not true, always online would stop the next Xbox instantly from succeeding in many places around the world.

Not everyone has an internet access is what i am saying. So the question becomes is MS really stupid enough to cut out a huge chunk or potential buyers just to shit on used games. I doubt it.

 

[syllogism]

That all said, I think this rumour is bullshit, since this a blatant violation of the First Sale Doctrine in the US and there are currently efforts to force Steam to enable the resale of Steam games in the EU after the EU Supreme Court ruled that it should be possible for digital content to be resold. If a console manufacturer includes anti-used-game DRM, they're going to get sued for both of their aforementioned reasons.

You can legally get around first sale doctrine in the US by creating licenses. See e.g. Vernor v. Autodesk

 

[ACH1LL3US]

Why is it so hard to believe? If both consoles do it, I'm out for both. Deal with it.

I don't absolutely need to play games and if I support something I don't agree with, companies will just keep pushing to see how much further they can go with BS non features.

I can deal with it, apperently it is you that can't deal with it....

 

[diffusionx]

Someone explain this. People still play PC games. Steam is making a ton of money with no used games.

There is competition in the PC space. I've bought games from GameFly, Steam, Origin, GamersGate, Amazon, etc. This delivers value to customers.

There is no competition on the console side. I really doubt Microsoft will ever put Halo 5 for sale for $7.50, like Valve does constantly with their flagship titles. Retailers aren't going to mark down the physical copies like that either.

This is a horrible thing, a dealbreaker for me. I sell my games when I am done with them, part of the value of the game I buy is what I can sell it for (it's essentially an embedded put option). There's no way I am going to be dropping $60 on the regular if I can't sell them back.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Amazing.

-ly disturbing.

 

[Z_Y_W_Y]

wait, so playing singleplayer online?

:? where do they come up with this stuff?

PC gaming.

Nextbox joining glorious PC master race experience confirmed!

 

[The Horror the horror]

No second hand games for Sony's next gen system either.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506560

This is one situation where Nintendo's staying in the past, is actually benefiting us. But the way things are Nintendo will likely come up with something to prevent second hand sales as well. This next gen is going to be interesting.

It's also creating a bigger rift between Nintendo and third-parties, as the war against used games is publisher driven.

 

[Izick]

Even if the thing is an online only device, XBL Silver is going to be free still, which means non-multiplayer game modes will still be accessible for free, and I'm guessing since Sony and Wii U give free access to stuff like Netflix and Hulu Plus, Microsoft will follow suit.

 

[ArjanN]

Someone explain this. People still play PC games. Steam is making a ton of money with no used games.

The backlash will be HUGE....and then by the time the consoles come out people will just buy them anyway.

 

[isamu]

if this is true I honestly expect a videogame crash coming soon. Honestly don't think the industry will survive a move like this.

Good to be a PC gamer these days.

 

[mentalfloss]

Holy shit Nintendo just won next gen.

 

[Pociask]

Not everyone has an internet access is what i am saying. So the question becomes is MS really stupid enough to cut out a huge chunk or potential buyers just to shit on used games. I doubt it.

Shitting on used games also cuts out another huge chunk of potential buyers, who only get a console because they can afford cheaper, used games.

If Microsoft wants to drive off a cliff, good luck with that. At least in 2-3 years you'll be able to pick up their failed console at firesale prices, and be able to play the first (and only) wave of games developed for the system. Of course, Microsoft may stop running the servers to authenticate the games at that point.

 

[FordGTGuy]

so this is true

terrible. One less next gen console to buy I guess

This is just another rumor.......

Here is a article with a rumor from IGN and WSJ that Sony is going online only.

http://gamingunwrapped.com/sony-considered-making-ps4-online-only/
http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/11753/article/ps4-sony-patents-tech-to-suppress-secondhand-games

It's amazing the amount of people taking these rumors and speculation as fact it's quite mind blowing...

 

[rakkadakka]

People assuming this means a Steam style overhaul of digital games pricing on consoles.

I would hope that MS wouldn't give up something that helps them with consumers without getting something back from the publishers.

It's a silver lining on this at best.

 

[Neuromancer]

WHAT THE FUCKETY FUCK

 

[Mortimer Brewster]

The console market has already shown in just the digital ecosystem they are nothing at all like Steam. Many titles stay are fixed prices for far too long, usually at a high range. Steam is far, far, far more frequent in discounting product.

You are delusional to think the console market is going to accurately emulate Steam. Steam can get away with discounts a hell of a lot more than publicly traded corporations who's goal is to make as much money as possible in a single quarter. That type of infrastructure has not accepted or wants to adapt to the exact blueprint Steam does. That's the blessing in disguise for Steam; Valve is a private company, so what they offer can easily be done easier than what Sony or Microsoft can attempt to do.

If Microsoft does this its to appease Activision,EA and the other AAA publishers and they will not want their game prices dropped. This will be all about squeezing every single last nickle from the cosumers pockets. The AAA Publishers despise Valve for what it does with pricing on Steam but luckily at least for the time being if they want massive pentration on the PC market they need to place nice with them. Though of course we've also seen EA and Ubi Soft already invest heavily in their own Steam alternatives in order to squeeze the PC consumers the same way they do the console gamers.

 

[BobbyColtrane]

What a contrast this is to the reactions when we were getting rumors of PS3/Xbox 360.

What have they said that makes you excited for next gen???

 

[maverick40]

Holy shit Nintendo just won next gen.

Them sales say otherwise.

 

[1-D_FTW]

With all of these restrictions Sony/MS are bringing AND the steep incline in development costs for next gen, you are going to see a significant shift in third party support in Wii U's favour.

What? Dude, this is being driven by the third-parties. Do you really think they're going to finally get the console makers to relent and then flock to Wii U? This is on the third parties heads. I hope they enjoy the results, cause the results are not going to be what they intended.

 

[shandy706]

You know...I didn't think about the fact that publishers and developers would LOVE a console with no used games.

It would guarantee them money from every sale....hrmmmmm

Could Microsoft pull more game companies their way as exclusive for this....?

 

[Izick]

What a contrast this is to the reactions when we were getting rumors of PS3/Xbox 360.

What have they said that makes you excited for next gen???

Everything that isn't on the business side of things.

Holy shit Nintendo just won next gen.

Yeah, that's only going to happen if Microsoft and Sony decide to give up on making consoles all together.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Microsoft likes what Steam is doing.

So if Microsoft goes the Steam route, with weekly massive discounts, constant massive sales, and lower priced digital download.....do you people still have a problem with it?

I love Steam, and have hundreds of games on it for a reason. I've seen nothing that says there is NO offline "gaming" mode.

I like how the crap hits the fan for so many. Yep, just ignore all other possibilities and flip out people. derp

I fail to see how there's a lot of derping going on because people aren't putting a lot of stock in Microsoft's sugar plum fairies sprinkling pixie dust all over this concept and making it something you wish it will be, something that rewards consumers in spite of their track record.

I'd be fine with this. This is more in the direction Sony has taken PS+.

No, I am not claiming equivalency between Steam and PS+.

Doesn't change the fact that I personally have no vested interest in any MS exclusives, and their consumer practices this gen have been a turn off.

Because I never buy second hand games. It sucks for people that do though.

Ok

 

[Steiner_Zi]

Wow, I won't even be able to have my friend come over and play his Tekken on my system or me visit my cousin and play on his system my Pro Evolution?

And why always online? I may want to take my console with me during the summer holidays or god knows I may not even care for online.

WTF!!!!!!!

It's like buying a book and not being able to read it outside or in another person's house!!!

 

[PhatSaqs]

Holy shit Nintendo just won next gen.

lmao. Third party publishers will embrace this if it s true. Not run to Nintendo.

 

[lowrider007]

I don't believe the always online requirement.

Why is that so hard to believe?

Do you not have Internet at home? Would you not buy a cup because some parts of the world don't have a water supply in their homes?

Internet shouldn't be thought of as a tentative 'extra' anymore, we need to move forward, always online shouldn't really have any ill effect on your gaming experience, since owning my 360 it has been offline barely a couple of times and that has usually been because of a house move.

 

[Wynnebeck]

No second hand games for Sony's next gen system either.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506560

This is one situation where Nintendo's staying in the past, is actually benefiting us. But the way things are Nintendo will likely come up with something to prevent second hand sales as well. This next gen is going to be interesting.

Is the new thing to bring up this patent as fact? There were rumblings around the launch of PS3 and nothing came of that. Having a patent and research != actual implementation.

 

[BarrenMind]

Sure, make games more expensive and eliminate a popular market that keeps your industry going.

Looks like Youtube's game walkthroughs will be much more popular next gen.

 

[ZeroGravity]

I bet this was leaked, on purpose, to gauge public reaction. This would be really easy to cover up, deny, and say "That was a rumor, and it was false, you can play used games!"

Pretty sure they could have accurately guessed public reaction to this already.

 

[megashock5]

How long do new games stay in print?

This is another concern I have. Some games just aren't available new after some time. I suppose they could get around that through DD though.

 

[BNB82]

This will be a problem for those of us who have ISP's who put limits on bandwidth.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

lmao. Third party publishers will embrace this if it s true. Not run to Nintendo.

Gamers too???

 

[KojiKnight]

What incentive does Gamestop and other game retailers even have to put these systems on their shelves then?

 

[Izick]

What incentive does Gamestop and other game retailers even have to put these systems on their shelves then?

Survival.

 

[Grief.exe]

Always online probably means that XBL is going free, though. That's pretty cool. I mean, if you need to be online to use the console, I can't see them charging to go online with it.

Spoiler

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Ya right. This is Microsoft we are talking about here.

Load up your credit card for that P2P connection.

 

[Into]

Not everyone has an internet access is what i am saying. So the question becomes is MS really stupid enough to cut out a huge chunk or potential buyers just to shit on used games. I doubt it.

Oh i agree with you, especially emerging markets such as Brazil, India and China do not have the infrastructure yet to support a always online home console. And these are markets Sony has been testing waters in. Which is why i personally believe they wont do a always online

*IF* Microsoft is doing this, then i am sure they made some sort of calculations based around how many people bought a 360 and never once took it online, how many games did these people buy and can we live without these people if it means having a smaller but always online userbase?

As Ive said i hope they do not do this always online thing

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Holy shit Nintendo just won next gen.

What is it with all these replies? Even if this is true for both Microsoft and Sony’s next consoles Nintendo is still screwed and it would take something bigger than this to have them ‘win’.

 

[Sir Garbageman]

If they follow the PC / STEAM digital distribution model, AKA discounts after 4-6 months for most titles and giant discounts a year after release then maybe I could be persuaded to jump onboard. Otherwise fuck off MS.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Why is that so hard to believe?

Do you not have Internet at home? Would you not by a cup because some parts of the world don't have a water supply in their homes?

Internet shouldn't be thought of as a tentative 'extra' anymore, we need to move forward, always online shouldn't really have any ill effect on your gaming experience, since owning my 360 it has been offline barely a couple of times and that usually been because of a house move.

Online only isn't happening why would Microsoft increase their demographic by opening to casuals and close the demographic by shutting out anyone without a internet connection?

What is with all these replies? Even if this is true for both Microsoft and Sony’s next consoles Nintendo is still screwed and it would take something bigger than this to have them ‘win’.

You mean fuck off the guys that created the rumor rigth?

 

[wonderboyjones]

A big issue I see is the fact that there is still a big portion of people who don't have the Internet. Also Steam works because you already have to have an Internet connection to get it. Then they have their sales that drive the digital sales.

Why is it that DRM always screws over the wrong people?

 

[gofreak]

if this is true I honestly expect a videogame crash coming soon. Honestly don't think the industry will survive a move like this.

Good to be a PC gamer these days.

Perhaps there's a bigger picture.

Maybe this move will be joined by a RRP reduction on games...

Don't laugh But if it happened the scenario would be the same as on PC.

 

[R10Neymarfan]

Lol at GAF going crazy at not been able to play second hand games. Last I checked you guys didn't have a problem with not being able to play used games because and I quote:

I DOWNLOAD IT TO MY HARD DRIVEZ ANYWAYZ

GAF you guys are difficult to please. Either you care about used games or you don't.

 

[lowrider007]

Gamers too???

Gamers will adapt, when I moved house I had to purchase a 3G dongle to play my steam games while waiting for my phone
line to be installed.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

WOW. If true, MS just shot themselves in the ass.

 

[Miles X]

No way it will require an internet connection. Absolutely zero fucking chance.

Think about kids having a console in their bedrooms, or the mass of people that never even bothered to connect their consoles to the net in the first place. They are never going to abandon that group so suddenly.

This. Only 40 of their 70m install is online, this is BS news.

 

[AuthenticM]

If this is true and Sony doesn't implement such a system, they'll cripple Microsoft. There is no way that 99% of gamers won't stand up for this shit; some of them are bound to jump ship. It wouldn't change anything for me, seeing as I own an Xbox just to play Microsoft's first party games.

 

[Endo Punk]

Well apparently Jack Tretton is against blocking used games.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...claims-sonys-jack-tretton-supports-used-games

I'm totally opposed to blocking used games. I think it's great for the consumer that they can buy those. We haver a customer that buys our console late in the cycle, pays less, is looking for value priced games, and I think it would be anti-consumer for us to do that'

I seriously hope Sony doesn't block used games because PS4 is essentially on lock due to their first party. If they go through with it and more importantly also implement always online DRM I am gonna move to the WiiU.

 

[i-Lo]

Lol at GAF going crazy at not been able to play second hand games. Last I checked you guys didn't have a problem with not being able to play used games because and I quote:



GAF you guys are difficult to please. Either you care about used games or you don't.

Don't generalize.