Glass Rebel
Member
Selling consoles and new games? Obviously Microsoft and publishers think that blocking used sales leads to higher new sales. If this is true, that is.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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Selling consoles and new games? Obviously Microsoft and publishers think that blocking used sales leads to higher new sales. If this is true, that is.
Callibretto
Member
and that patent and implementation rumor already look more user friendly than ms solution, no need for always on connection, used game disc go to demo mode, can buy 'online pass' to activate the full game
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Don't be so defensive, you don't have to run to post when the Nintendo bell is rung every single time.
I doubt it's true actually but wouldn't be shocked and it is a more than a minor deal.
EdibleExplosives
Member
Or maybe it's because there are many people on GAF, with varying opinions, and it isn't just one huge entity.
you may be generalizing a bit. apologies if you are actually speaking to a poster named gaf.
Napalm_Frank
Member
If both Sony and MS do it people will adapt and they will adapt FAST. Shitty but thats just how it is.
Personally I buy my games 95% new and never sell em. Only problem I would have is lending the games to friends. Always online would be too much for me even when I have my consoles almost always online.
You know that wont happen :/. Nintendo would just be walled off from third party games.
...and when there's not as many gamers they can run to the black hole in the middle of their profits.
Maybe it's because people on Gaf understand that it's going to really put a hurt on the business as well?
I didn't know Nintendo was releasing a Wii U successor already.
Robot Pants
Member
I'm loling at anyone who thinks this is true.
wonderboyjones
Member
Also, if my Internet happens to be down, you're gonna tell me too bad?
dragonflys545
Member
It'll go from 500 to 5000 stores closing down lol.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Because look who they are making the most money from? Look at how much money Xbox live is pulling in, the serive fee and then the software sales on top of that, is it really worth trying to cater to offline consumers anymore?
Mortimer Brewster
Member
This and the fact the company the size of Microsoft would be able to tie up any lawsuit in litigation for so long that by the time a verdict is rendered the damage would already be done. If they do this, Microsoft will already have already plotted out contigencies in how to combat the inevitable lawsuits that will follow.
EdibleExplosives
Member
What if the XBL servers go down?
http://gamingunwrapped.com/sony-considered-making-ps4-online-only/
PS4 'Rumored' to be doing the same this is all made up crap.
Still makes no sense to be online only, the online and offline market is constantly changing. Sorry to burst your bubble but no console this gen or even next gen is going online only.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Yeah, I know, that's what the "fuuuuuuuuuuuu" meant. Geez, some of you guys
Silver is a good point though, I suppose that'll just be required.
SirButterstick
Banned
You know, as a primarily PC gamer, I'm fine with this on the PC side, as companies have been doing the 'no second hand' in essence since the days of Starflight and the AD&D Gold Box series to combat piracy.
But for consoles, fuck that. Lending and trading games with friends is just something you do. It seems like these big media companies try to force this shit down people's throats as well. They 'brute force' draconian measures that are not consumer friendly into the marketplace, and hope consumers adopt due to apathy.
Honestly, I hope both of them fail hard if they try and pull this shit.
But for consoles, fuck that. Lending and trading games with friends is just something you do. It seems like these big media companies try to force this shit down people's throats as well. They 'brute force' draconian measures that are not consumer friendly into the marketplace, and hope consumers adopt due to apathy.
Honestly, I hope both of them fail hard if they try and pull this shit.
Gamestop stock currently.
$2 down because of a rumor, when it's official what will happen to them...
I think they will likely have some share in this new possible system, maybe not as lucrative as it is, but they can sell retail codes or else.
diffusionx
Gold Member
They've sold 70m, how many of those were second-units/sitting in a closet/rotting in a landfill/etc.? Probably around 30 million honestly.
My guess is that:
1. an extremely high percentage of active 360 users are online
2. an extremely high percentage of new 360 owners go online.
Probably over 90%. MS has undoubtedly crunched these numbers.
Pretty much. I just don't see them after doing all they did to gain traction in the industry to see, "ok, now lets piss it all away". There is arrogance and there is plain stupidity, like MS or not they didn't get this far by being stupid.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Jack Tretton also said he wanted gamers to share their games on PSN so they won't have to buy as many then cut down the activations per system.
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Deleted member 13876
Unconfirmed Member
The fuck is this?
Uno Venova
Banned
It also said they scrapped the plan....
Guess what, GAF isn't a hive mind.
Delusibeta
Banned
Wasn't that shot down? Certainly, I still expect Microsoft to get some legal hassle in the US (and definitely in the EU, and the EU version might get shit done).
Problem is it also affects people who like to lend their games to friends. Reducing this to the second hand market is a mistake (even though I guess Sony/MSy probably don't care about that at all).
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Another dumb junior. There a dime a dozen these days
So does this mean console sales go down but games sold stay the same?
If your only buying used you where never counted in sales anyways.
Can someone provide research/stats supporting the assertion that console gaming is completely reliant on the used games market, because apparently it's an indisputable fact around here. I don't care if it makes sense in your head or if you wish it to be true, provide some evidence
CosmicQueso
Member
Perhaps there's a bigger picture.
Maybe this move will be joined by a RRP reduction on games...
Don't laugh
Key difference is first party royalties. With $6-8 going to the console mfg for each game unit sold, prices on console games will never go as low as on PC which has no 1sf party royalty.
Nothing because it's a rumor and it's not going to become official.
Point is this is all random speculation, there is even speculation that Sony is suppressing used games also.
http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details/
He was careful to qualify that this was his opinion and that SCEJ could think differently (though he was unaware if they did).
Messofanego
Banned
Microsoft just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about American culture (I'm an expert), but offline and used games are huge parts of it. It's not like it is the PC platform where you can become successful by being digital. If you screw someone over in America, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the american public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase the next Xbox, nor will they purchase any of Microsoft studio's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Microsoft has alienated an entire market with this move.
Microsoft, publicly apologize and cancel these restrictions or you can kiss your business goodbye.
WhiskeyKnight
Member
Sell your Gamefly/stop stock.
Everyone I know do this. The money ends up being spent on a new game anyway.
Haunted
Member
rumours are a powerful thing