Bel_Air_Jeff
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but how can we all assume that Orbis and Durango will be a hit.
How I see it, this could blow up in their faces. Software sales will be lower than ever.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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but how can we all assume that Orbis and Durango will be a hit.
How I see it, this could blow up in their faces. Software sales will be lower than ever.
I keep seeing this or similar - is there anywhere I can get more info?
Expecting publishers to have "Steam" sales on consoles is a ridiculous assumption. They are businesses who want to make money and the less competition out there for consumers to move to takes further away and reason for them to do reasonable things. And there are alternatives for consumers if both Sony and MS do this. Personally I will catch up on my PS3 backlog and stick with handhelds eventually pick up a Wii U.
Yeah, that is what I am thinking.
Would be nice to actually lower the RRP if they plan on actually pushing the non-preowned angle. I just don't see them having the guts to get away with it. Could set a bad precedent.
Boss Man
Member
The launch was exactly the problem. They did not do a good job of indicating that this was a new console and people should be excited about it. To call a launch better than another by units sold is extremely simplistic given the bottlenecks in supply usually associated with launches.
To say that the Wii U sold the most units at launch behind the Wii would be a fact. To call it the second best console launch because of that is actively ignoring the reality of the situation.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
There's been talk about this for a long while now.
Probably already posted, seeing as it was posted 3 hours ago. For anyone that missed it, Jim Sterling wrote a piece about why he thinks the rumors are BS:
http://www.destructoid.com/next-xbox-always-online-blocks-used-games-not-buying-it-244151.phtml
lol
http://www.destructoid.com/next-xbox-always-online-blocks-used-games-not-buying-it-244151.phtml
lol
Activision would love this. COD is a known commodity and people know exactly what their $60 gets them. I'd see it getting even more popular in they implement this.
slightconfuse
Banned
would be intresting to see how much ne games sales drop if true. this would make retailers mad for sure.
God I love the lead up to console launches. We all believe which ever rumors we want to. Then we find out the truth and forget all the terrible rumors. It's a fun tradition.
I imagine that if there is an activation code for physical discs, the codes will also be sold for ~$10 or so, either on the Live/PSN or by buying the code from your neighborhood Gamestop or other retailer. Gamestop would package the code with its used product, keeping similar prices as now. There's no way MS or Sony would totally kill the used market when they depend so heavily on Gamestop and others to sell and market their games and systems.
I imagine that if there is an activation code for physical discs, the codes will also be sold for ~$10 or so, either on the Live/PSN or by buying the code from your neighborhood Gamestop or other retailer. Gamestop would package the code with its used product, keeping similar prices as now. There's no way MS or Sony would totally kill the used market when they depend so heavily on Gamestop and others to sell and market their games and systems.
Pureauthor
Member
So if this is to be believed it carries all the disadvantages of PC gaming without any of the advantages.
Yeah, good deal.
Yeah, good deal.
xaosslug
Member
wat? online play remains free on PSN. PSN+ is a 'complimentary' service that is not required in order to enjoy a multiplayer/online experience on PSN.
All sides doing this because of third parties forcing it is starting to sound like industry wide coordination. We would have heard way more rumors if this was actually happening. I'm still leaning towards the idea that no one is doing this. It just makes no sense.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
You have a point. I mean the initial interest was there though. If they had a better line up of games these past 2 months, we wouldn't be seeing the same numbers..
Hope you enjoy playing Nintendo games only because Wii U won't be getting much third party support if Orbis/Durango have it.
As someone had said earlier about XBL, when it first came out there was bitching and moaning but in the end, people pay to be able to enjoy their games with their friends. If this were to happen, I'd expect people to complain but quietly fall in line in time for the next CoD release etc.
Duxxy3
Member
No chance. Games still cost a ton of money to make.
I think this is ridiculous and we should boycott any company that tries to block the sale of second hand games with this ridiculous always-online bullshit. I know I will.
Unfortunately, here's how it's going to turn out:
- People will get angry and swear to never buy the console. This should last until the first batch of trailers gets released.
- E3 will arrive, trailers get released, people will be amazed by dem graphics
- People will say that the always online 'feature' isn't that bad after all, and they will buy the console.
- The end, everything becomes always online.
Unfortunately, here's how it's going to turn out:
- People will get angry and swear to never buy the console. This should last until the first batch of trailers gets released.
- E3 will arrive, trailers get released, people will be amazed by dem graphics
- People will say that the always online 'feature' isn't that bad after all, and they will buy the console.
- The end, everything becomes always online.
Voice of Reason
Banned
I remember this Blu-Ray and anti-used rumor from exactly a year ago as well. Maybe it's just being recycled?
Turkeysub15
Banned
*Reads thread*
*Vomits all over used copy of Mass Effect 2*
*Vomits all over used copy of Mass Effect 2*
He's right on the money with that one.
swordsman720
Banned
I will go back to retro with my mame arcade; 16 bit and 32 bit consoles.
Baconsammy
Banned
You don't get to make up the metrics by which success is measured. Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft do. Nintendo's financial outlook was based on selling something like 5.5 million Wii U's the world over by April. A mere two months after release they had to adjust that number down in a huge way. If you want to call that a success, you go right ahead. Maybe your positive post will spark a huge upswing in stock price.
alexthekid
Member
Anonymous sources doesn't mean that people have been sending anonymous emails to Kotaku and Edge. It means that a source that they have trusted enough to publish this(might mean a lot or not depending on the site) have given they the information.
Who are you talking about with "multiple people without credibility"? If you mean Kotaku and Edge it is ok, but if you are talking about the sources than you are the one acting fallacious since they have proven to have the credibility of at least Kotaku and Edge.
Davey Cakes
Member
I hate to be "that person" but as soon as these consoles are revealed and games are shown, people are going to reluctantly forgive Microsoft and/or Sony and buy the consoles anyway, along with their first-hand-only games. Everyone makes compromises in order to play the games they love. It's not like Nintendo fans are boycotting the Wii U because of Nintendo's bone-headed decisions.
This thread is nuts. Already at 55 pages?
This thread is nuts. Already at 55 pages?
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2012/07/04/curia-digital-distribution/1
You can buy 2nd hand physical games on steam.
Also every person has the right to sell something they own. This applies to physical goods also
Platinumstorm
Member
Well, that's a definite skip then for me. I won't do a must be online console. I have consoles mainly for when my internet is dead, although it's not exclusively then.
Last gen it took me until SF4 to decide if I was going PS3 or 360. I won't have that problem with this in, lol.
Last gen it took me until SF4 to decide if I was going PS3 or 360. I won't have that problem with this in, lol.
Are we back in the 90's?
Herb Alpert
Banned
Intermede
This thread is going faster than the third Wii U speculation thread.
Wow.
End of intermede
This thread is going faster than the third Wii U speculation thread.
Wow.
End of intermede
This is unfortunate, but I won't be surprised if a notable number of developers - who are worshiped by many people here - were all part of the influence.
Oh well, at least now they'll have no scapegoat for poor game sales this time. Or at least, not the most beaten one. Never mind their bloated budgets, uninspired game design, lack of fresh ideas/fun, or stiff competition from other games... they'll be sure to find some other scapegoat to blame poor sales on.
Oh well, at least now they'll have no scapegoat for poor game sales this time. Or at least, not the most beaten one. Never mind their bloated budgets, uninspired game design, lack of fresh ideas/fun, or stiff competition from other games... they'll be sure to find some other scapegoat to blame poor sales on.
Your interpretation is wrong.
klapauzius
Banned
If this is true many gamers will skip xbox3.
The remaining alternatives are PC, PS4 and Wii U. But Sony is nearly bancrupt. So in the end there will be only PC and Wii U. Its like last generation when the really hardcore gamers had a PC and Wii.
The remaining alternatives are PC, PS4 and Wii U. But Sony is nearly bancrupt. So in the end there will be only PC and Wii U. Its like last generation when the really hardcore gamers had a PC and Wii.
No one knows what will happen. We are in brave new world territory here. My guess is that with console market already being weak, many will just back off from buying it. That is assuming both are doing this. If one of them is not then people will just buy that console.
Piss off GameStop? Hardly anyone likes 'em anyways. Besides, they've been closing hundreds of their stores down. I don't see how GameStop is this threatening force preventing second-hand sales. Wasn't there a report that came out saying that they didn't make near as much money as they have made in the past.
Baconsammy
Banned
Offended by both the spelling and the meaning.
sony is already coming to the table with a weaker hand for third parties & this is the big publishers' golden ticket; they'd have no qualms with throwing whoever didn't support it under the bus. sony can't afford to be your friend if it means getting dreamcasted.
i'd argue that this new information combined with last month's patent makes it near enough a certainty that this is the last generation we'll see used games in.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I can absolutely see the online only thing being true. There's been so many grumblings over the past few months about MS seeing the Xbox the same way cable companies view a cable box. These things are becoming less and less about simply being pieces of hardware an more about gateways into services and ecosystems. If you don't have access to the Internet, you don't have access to Xbox Live subs, to buying games and content online, to subscribing to any of xboxs partner apps (ESPN, UFC, Netflix, HBO) or buying digital movies and music direct from Microsoft. It's possible these have become such a huge revenue stream for MS that they are fine focusing on that and cutting out the offline gamers who only buy the hardware (which MS sells at a loss anyway) and a few games a year.
Hypno Funk
Member
Not to go off topic or anything, but honestly, after reading through that I saw several typos. Each time I see some piece and I see typos my faith in the content itself plummets which is a shame.
On topic: I see maybe both consoles going always online, second-hand copies require online pass as previously suggested. Second hand economy (and retail) survives, developers/publishers get their extra money and the consumer suffers as a result. Nothing new really.
Well I ment the physcials good atleast till now. You can buy them 2nd hand with no problem but that happened before the law has been finalised.
Yeah, since there has never been false information in the past about (at the time) future consoles that didn't get labeled with "rumor".
:|
Every post you make cracks me up.
Voice of Reason
Banned
So gamers won't support a more appealing console (which Orbis looks like it is) because the company behind it might potentially go bankrupt.
Interrobang
Member
True problem. This is what they're counting on.
Any news is news. Why should they fix it if they're being talked about.
Third parties don't operate as a group though. They don't have one representative that would go to Sony and tell them that. Even then I am not sure if Sony would be so eager to respond. It works both ways, third parties aren't in great financial shape either outside of activision. They aren't exactly in a position to be making threats.